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Sharon F
R. C. White said:
Of course! Always more than one way to skin a cat
Of course! Always more than one way to skin a cat
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Gene E. Bloch
Slot loaders often lack the paper-clip method.
Actually, I've never seen a paper-clip hole on a slot loader.
C
Char Jackson
I'm assuming your role as an MVP requires that you stand behind the
position in #2 above, but since it isn't true it would be nice if you
could find a way to tread more lightly around the situation.
In short, an upgrade disc works fine by itself, no other qualifying OS
is required.
R
R. C. White
Hi, Char.
Not at all!
You don't know MVPs very well, do you? We are some of Microsoft's most
vocal critics. Microsoft doesn't tell us what to do - or to say! If you'd
like to know more about MVPs, visit:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp
If I didn't believe what I wrote, I would not have written it.
That doesn't mean that I'm always right, of course.
Since I have not used an upgrade disk - for Win7 or a prior version of
Windows - in several years, I can't say from personal experience that
"Upgrade will insist on seeing a qualifying version of Windows already
installed." But that is my understanding from what I've read in newsgroups
and other places. My main reason for saying that was to point out that
simply inserting a qualifying disk would work for earlier version upgrades,
but not for Win7. And to distinguish a retail upgrade disk from the OEM
version that Debi was thinking of buying.
Have you actually done this, Char, or are you relying on hearsay? Can you
provide some details?
RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
Not at all!
You don't know MVPs very well, do you? We are some of Microsoft's most
vocal critics. Microsoft doesn't tell us what to do - or to say! If you'd
like to know more about MVPs, visit:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/aboutmvp
If I didn't believe what I wrote, I would not have written it.
That doesn't mean that I'm always right, of course.
Since I have not used an upgrade disk - for Win7 or a prior version of
Windows - in several years, I can't say from personal experience that
"Upgrade will insist on seeing a qualifying version of Windows already
installed." But that is my understanding from what I've read in newsgroups
and other places. My main reason for saying that was to point out that
simply inserting a qualifying disk would work for earlier version upgrades,
but not for Win7. And to distinguish a retail upgrade disk from the OEM
version that Debi was thinking of buying.
Have you actually done this, Char, or are you relying on hearsay? Can you
provide some details?
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
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Seth
R. C. White said:
I can't speak specifically for Windows 7, but I have done it is Vista which
uses the same setup engine (Panther).
Boot upgrade disk, perform installation NOT specifying installation key at
setup time doing a full install. When complete, don't bother activating.
Insert upgrade disk and perform upgrade (replacing un-activated installation
with a new installation. Current un-activated Windows installation will be
copied to \WINDOWS.OLD). Now this time Panther will see this as being an
upgrade of an existing installation and let you use your key number and
activate.
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Lee Rowell
R. C. White said:
You can do a clean install with the Win7 disk. In fact if you are coming
from XP that is your only choice. Vista of course can be upgraded.
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nooneyouknow
R. C. White said:
/There/ is the problem! And you actually brag about being a "Most Valuless
Prostitute".
I'm sure you believe it, but it is wrong.
Obviously (and redundant; see 'MVP' above).
Unless you've actually /Tried It/ , perhaps you should preface your
responses with "I Think...". That way people who really want help will know
to ignore yours.
I've done it too. Google it. There are probably a thousand postings on "How
To".
C
Char Jackson
I know almost nothing about MVP's and meant absolutely nothing
disparaging to you personally or to MVP's as a group. I just (wrongly)
assumed that Microsoft expected you guys to toe a certain company
line. I stand corrected and I apologize if my earlier comments sent
the wrong message.
Yes, I've done it, but I'm only one person. No need to rely on my
experiences when others have already described it in detail.
R
relic
Char said:
Never apologize to an MVP.
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Lord Vetinari
Char Jackson said:
Yes, the upgrade disc accepts the upgrade disc itself...which I find
hilarious.
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Lord Vetinari
relic said:
Love means never having to apologize. (I just had to)
C
Char Jackson
After all this time, it can't be accidental...
R
R. C. White
Hi, Char.
No apology required. I didn't know much about MVPs either until about 7
years ago when I got an email from a Microsoft employee asking if I'd be
interested in becoming an MVP. I hesitated and said 3 things worried me.
First, adding the initials to my name might make others assume that I know
more than I do, especially since I was not required to take any classes or
pass any tests. He said my reputation would depend on my continuing to
provide advice that was accurate and helpful more often than not. Second,
while I enjoy helping in the newsgroups and fully intend to continue, MVP or
not, I was not willing to commit to any minimum of time or effort. He said
that if Microsoft were to tell me what to do, I would be their employee and
they would have to pay me - and they did not intend to do that! And, third,
that users might think that I speak for Microsoft, which I certainly do not
intend to do, and that I must support - and use - only Microsoft products.
But I insist on forming my own opinions and speaking my own mind, even if
that is critical of Microsoft. He assured me that, as I said earlier, MVPs
are some of Microsoft's toughest critics, both privately and publicly, and
Microsoft appreciates that because the criticism is usually correct and
constructive. And he also said that I would have no authority at all to
speak for Microsoft! Finally, I told him, "OK, I'll try it for a year and
see how it goes." I'm glad that I did!
As I said earlier, I've not actually used an upgrade package, so you are
correct that I should have qualified my statement. I was relying on what
I've read in some of the websites as to how the upgrade is supposed to work.
I also have read in newsgroups of others who have done the multi-step
install as you describe, so it seems that many users have learned how to
install an upgrade package onto a blank hard drive. I wanted to correct the
statement that simply "showing" the qualifying disk was sufficient in Win7,
as it had been in Win9x, but I overdid the correction, it seems.
Also, the OP had said:
So I wanted to warn the OP that the OEM version has some limitations which
must be considered.
Thank you for adding your experience to this discussion.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
No apology required. I didn't know much about MVPs either until about 7
years ago when I got an email from a Microsoft employee asking if I'd be
interested in becoming an MVP. I hesitated and said 3 things worried me.
First, adding the initials to my name might make others assume that I know
more than I do, especially since I was not required to take any classes or
pass any tests. He said my reputation would depend on my continuing to
provide advice that was accurate and helpful more often than not. Second,
while I enjoy helping in the newsgroups and fully intend to continue, MVP or
not, I was not willing to commit to any minimum of time or effort. He said
that if Microsoft were to tell me what to do, I would be their employee and
they would have to pay me - and they did not intend to do that! And, third,
that users might think that I speak for Microsoft, which I certainly do not
intend to do, and that I must support - and use - only Microsoft products.
But I insist on forming my own opinions and speaking my own mind, even if
that is critical of Microsoft. He assured me that, as I said earlier, MVPs
are some of Microsoft's toughest critics, both privately and publicly, and
Microsoft appreciates that because the criticism is usually correct and
constructive. And he also said that I would have no authority at all to
speak for Microsoft! Finally, I told him, "OK, I'll try it for a year and
see how it goes." I'm glad that I did!
As I said earlier, I've not actually used an upgrade package, so you are
correct that I should have qualified my statement. I was relying on what
I've read in some of the websites as to how the upgrade is supposed to work.
I also have read in newsgroups of others who have done the multi-step
install as you describe, so it seems that many users have learned how to
install an upgrade package onto a blank hard drive. I wanted to correct the
statement that simply "showing" the qualifying disk was sufficient in Win7,
as it had been in Win9x, but I overdid the correction, it seems.
Also, the OP had said:
So I wanted to warn the OP that the OEM version has some limitations which
must be considered.
Thank you for adding your experience to this discussion.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
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GreyCloud
relic said:
Hi relic. Say, maybe you can answer a question for me:
What is the differences between Visual Studio 2008 Pro and Standard
editions?
Most of the websites say that the only differences are if you want to
work with MSOffice products or something to that effect.
I need to know some of the finer points.
R
relic
GreyCloud said:
I've never used it, try these comparison sheet downloads:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...b0-b575-47ab-9fd8-4ee067bb3a37&DisplayLang=en
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GreyCloud
relic said:
Thnx! They sure have come a long ways since VS6.0.
P
Prescott
R. C. White said:
I have actually done this, and there is not just one way, there are
several that you can find online.
The one I used involved doing the install, not entering the product key,
using regedit to change a registry parameter from 1 to 0, slmgr -rearm,
rebooting and then use the activate windows screen to enter the product
key.
But as I said before there are several ways to do it.