Sorting of files in new HDD.


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Peter Jason

I have Windows 7 and I have just installed a new HDD to store movies
each typically of a length 4GB.

The new HDD is a WD
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________
WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
GenDisk


With the other HDDs the sorting by name is automatic, but with this
new one I have to do it manually. Is there any setting to fix this?

Peter
 
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Ed Cryer

I have Windows 7 and I have just installed a new HDD to store movies
each typically of a length 4GB.

The new HDD is a WD
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________
WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
GenDisk


With the other HDDs the sorting by name is automatic, but with this
new one I have to do it manually. Is there any setting to fix this?

Peter
That's done by Windows, but you have to tell it to do so.
View/ Sort by Name.


Ed
 
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Stan Brown

I have Windows 7 and I have just installed a new HDD to store movies
each typically of a length 4GB.

The new HDD is a WD
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
IDE\DiskWDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________
WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0___________________01.01V01
GenDisk


With the other HDDs the sorting by name is automatic, but with this
new one I have to do it manually. Is there any setting to fix this?
In what context do you mean? If it's the "dir" command at the
command prompt, then I think you formatted it as FAT32, or it was
shipped that way and you didn't reformat it. One cure for that is to
convert it to NTFS(*); another is simply to train yourself to use DIR
/ONE instead of plain DIR.

If you mean the display in Windows Explorer, this has nothing to do
with how the disk is set up. Right-click and select Sort by » Name.

(*) Like any other reformat of the disk, there's a small but non-zero
chance of losing your data. Make sure you have a reliable backup
first.
 
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Peter Jason

In what context do you mean? If it's the "dir" command at the
command prompt, then I think you formatted it as FAT32, or it was
shipped that way and you didn't reformat it. One cure for that is to
convert it to NTFS(*); another is simply to train yourself to use DIR
/ONE instead of plain DIR.

If you mean the display in Windows Explorer, this has nothing to do
with how the disk is set up. Right-click and select Sort by » Name.

(*) Like any other reformat of the disk, there's a small but non-zero
chance of losing your data. Make sure you have a reliable backup
first.
Thanks.
I formatted it with Windows as NTFS as always with a new HDD.
Specifically, when I trim a movie recorded from TV and save that file,
it stays in the position saved by the trimming software instead of
moving up to its sorted position in the Movies folder. I'll try
again tomorrow when I process tonight's recorded movies.
Peter
 
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Bob I

Thanks.
I formatted it with Windows as NTFS as always with a new HDD.
Specifically, when I trim a movie recorded from TV and save that file,
it stays in the position saved by the trimming software instead of
moving up to its sorted position in the Movies folder. I'll try
again tomorrow when I process tonight's recorded movies.
Peter
Press F5 to refresh the view
 
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Char Jackson

Thanks.
I formatted it with Windows as NTFS as always with a new HDD.
Specifically, when I trim a movie recorded from TV and save that file,
it stays in the position saved by the trimming software instead of
moving up to its sorted position in the Movies folder. I'll try
again tomorrow when I process tonight's recorded movies.
Is the folder simply not auto-refreshing, in which case a manual
refresh will do the trick, or is it a case of having the folder sorted
by file creation date/time, in which case simply clicking on the Name
field header will cause a Name sort? Or is it something else?
 
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Stan Brown

Specifically, when I trim a movie recorded from TV and save that file,
it stays in the position saved by the trimming software instead of
moving up to its sorted position in the Movies folder. I'll try
again tomorrow when I process tonight's recorded movies.
Peter
New files do often show at the end of the list. Try pressing F5.
 
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Peter Jason

New files do often show at the end of the list. Try pressing F5.
Thanks
The F5 trick works OK, but it was all automatic with the other HDD.
Peter
 
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Char Jackson

Thanks
The F5 trick works OK, but it was all automatic with the other HDD.
I agree with the folks who said it has nothing to do with the HDD. I
hope you get it figured out.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I agree with the folks who said it has nothing to do with the HDD.
+1

I hope you get it figured out.
Probably not...

For emphasis, then: the problem is with the newer version of Windows
Explorer, and it's a display problem in the program, not a drive
problem.

Actually, I'm amused by the picture of files "sorted" on the hard
drive. Heck, some later allocation units of a given file can be in
earlier locations on the hard drive than some of its earlier allocation
units - and not just in Windows...
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Probably not...
I say that because there was an earlier thread in this NG (I think it
was this one) on the same topic, and IIRC, the OP never quite got it
straight. I don't recall who the OP was, though, and I didn't manage to
find the older thread...

But I don't mean to imply that it might have been Peter Jason; what I
mean is that the logic behind it might be more recondite than it seems
to us.
 
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Peter Jason

I say that because there was an earlier thread in this NG (I think it
was this one) on the same topic, and IIRC, the OP never quite got it
straight. I don't recall who the OP was, though, and I didn't manage to
find the older thread...

But I don't mean to imply that it might have been Peter Jason; what I
mean is that the logic behind it might be more recondite than it seems
to us.

* sniff *
We simple folk have enough trubble on the slippery lerning curve to
waste time on the intracies of software engineering.
 
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Ed Cryer

I say that because there was an earlier thread in this NG (I think it
was this one) on the same topic, and IIRC, the OP never quite got it
straight. I don't recall who the OP was, though, and I didn't manage to
find the older thread...

But I don't mean to imply that it might have been Peter Jason; what I
mean is that the logic behind it might be more recondite than it seems
to us.
I think some insight into the actual workings of a hard disk would
surprise a lot of people. Maybe two listings side-by-side; one a sorted
Win Explorer listing, and the other a sector-by-sector map of the disk.

It's not so much that you'd just see 1s and 0s, but that the relevant
collection of 1s and 0s would be in very different positions to the Win
E interpretations.

You can enlighten someone a little by asking them to try and understand
what happens when you cut and paste from one folder to another in
Windows; and then ask them to try and grasp what causes fragmentation to
occur.

Ed
 
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Gene E. Bloch

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:15:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch


* sniff *
We simple folk have enough trubble on the slippery lerning curve to
waste time on the intracies of software engineering.
Even the important "intracies"? Or intricacies...

It would be of value to find a reasonable book on Windows and go
through it page by page in front of your computer.

Consider this: I am a life-long software engineer with around two
decades of experience with Windows, and that's what I did when I got
Windows 7, and Vista before that, and XP before that, ...

Actually, I read more than one book on each.

I have to add that your idea of wasting time is different from mine.
Sort of "I can't waste *my* time leaning this stuff, so I'll post
questions on Usenet and try to get a few other people to waste their
time on my behalf."

I might even find myself resenting that...
 

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