Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit

[Paul]

What do you think of Smart Defrag? It's free and appears to do that stuff.

http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html

There are two aspects to defragmenters.

1) Actual defragmentation. To defragment a file, all a file needs is to be
contiguous. There is nothing to say it has to be placed at a particular
location on the disk. An example of a "pure" defragmenter, is Sysinternals
"contig" program. It just tries to put the file into a set of clusters
next to one another, and considers the job to be done at that point. If
you then used a "defrag map", there would be green dots all over the place
(no apparent order, but no fragmentation visible).

2) The second aspect, is "optimization". For example JKDefrag would move
big files to one area of the disk, folders somewhere else and so on. These
would be "optimization policies". The Windows built-in might "push everything
to the left" as its optimization policy. Optimization is a large part of
what distinguishes the various third-party defragmenters. That, and their
execution speed.

Some defragmenters even know how to move file system metadata, which is actually
a handy feature, because it makes it easier to "shrink" the file system later.
Apparently, Microsoft doesn't know how to do this (to the same extent),
while some defragmenter developers have figured it out.

The OS has a set of APIs for defragmentation. Most defragmentation products,
will be using these, because of their "safety" aspects. A side effect of "safety",
is relatively small sized disk commands are issued, as the defragmenter works.
On my disks here (cheapo disks), I get anywhere between 1MB/sec to 3MB/sec as
the defragmenter works. Frequently, it's better to use other techniques than
defragmentation, to clean up a file system. When a defragmenter isn't finished,
after an all-night run, that's when it's time to use something other than
a defragmenter to do the job.

The Windows 7 defragmenter, finishes in no time. And even if I haven't run it
in a while, it doesn't seem to take that long to finish. It's not at all like
my WinXP experience.

Paul

 

[Joseph Terner]

What is the best way to partition a 2tb hard drive for Windows 7 64 bit?
I am thinking of a small "C" drive for Windows and programs and a big
"D" for all my data. Another possibility is a small "C" drive for
Windows. A medium sized "D" for my programs and a big "E" for all my
data.

Which do you think is better? What size do you think I should make each
logical drive? Thank you in advance for all replies.

Put files for fast read-only access on the outside of the spindle. In
your case this is a small partition for "Windows and your
programs" (There's no difference, because Windows is also a collection of
programs). Put big files, where access speed isn't an issue (downloads,
installation files, disk images, video files etc.), on the inside. Put
the remainder in between.

Leave some space unallocated if you don't need it from the start and
create additional partitions or resize existing ones later as needed.

Joseph

 

[Rod Speed]

Daniel Prince wrote

Put files for fast read-only access on the outside of the spindle. In
your case this is a small partition for "Windows and your programs"

Waste of time if you have enough of a clue to only reboot every month
or so, and don’t close apps when you stop using them for a while.

(There's no difference, because Windows is also a collection of programs).

That’s just plain wrong with what gets loaded at boot time.

Put big files, where access speed isn't an issue (downloads,
installation files, disk images, video files etc.), on the inside.

No point in doing that.

Put the remainder in between.

No point in doing that either. It makes more sense
to have the non OS and apps on the outer of the
drive too because they mostly do get used at times.

Leave some space unallocated if you don't need it from the start

That makes no sense either.

and create additional partitions

That makes no sense either.

or resize existing ones later as needed.

Easier said than done to do that safely if it’s the only 2TB drive you have.

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

Looks like you guys have one of those kind of posters around.
It appears he is posting somewhere in Germany or near there.

New South Wales, Australia, actually. Typical Aussie wanker with a huge
chip on his shoulder.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

 

[John Williamson]

Looks like you guys have one of those kind of posters around.
It appears he is posting somewhere in Germany or near there.

These types are a real hoot tho.

Have you seen this?

http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

It has form.

 

[a1pcfixer]

Mike,

Typical Aussie wanker with a huge
chip on his shoulder.

That, &/or some little nobody that his wife/gf/mother has brow beaten &
hen pecked, who also is ignored by fellow co-workers, therefore he
comes online to post his juvenile misinformation, hoping somebody
actually believes his crap and will help inflate his feeble ego.

How utterly pathetic!

On a related side note; does anybody remember the web site from 15-20
years ago, where we could look up such spammers and it'd give links and
a rating on them? Maybe it's now gone?

 

[David Simpson]

En el artículo <[email protected]>,


New South Wales, Australia, actually. Typical Aussie wanker with a
huge chip on his shoulder.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

From the way he posts, and the way he talks, I was guessing a 14 year
from here in the US. Had a lot of these in the good old BBS days. I
figured he's on his dad's old computer and is pertending to be him, as
the dad moved out about 5 years before. That would also explain his
outdated tech knowledge.



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[David Simpson]

That's very handy to know. Thanks. I was using jkdefrag gui. I'll
have to check if it can do that -- it's on another boot item from
the one I'm using at the moment. I know there is a free one on
portableapps.com that can do it. Forgot its name.

Ed, the guy that made jkdefrag has a newer program, MyDefrag. Very
powerful, but a bit of a learning curve, if you want to do anything "non-
standard". Lots of help on his forums, though!


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[David Simpson]

It's to get the ultimate speed by letting the head move around shorter
distances. But on a 2TB, it wouldn't be going very far, would it?
Hadn't thought of that.
..........

Thanks for the tutorial!

I'm definitely not hip to networking and CRC's.

Search for ExactFile. Nice gui to make and test files. Handles folders
too. I was having some BAD network issues, and wanted to make sure my
files were correct at the other end. Turned out to be a network switch.

But, CRC's only tell you the data doesn't match. It does not fix it.

But I keep a portable HD with backups in a safe deposit box.

Also, something I'm looking at for pictures, is M-Disc DVD's. Writers
are just $10 more than the "normal" DVD writers, the disk are about $3
each, but I don't have THAT many pictures, and the disk will outlast
about anything, unless you try to destory them. That would be for items
that never change. like pictures.

Also, I have all my unloseable files encrypted by "backup4all
portable" to a 32G thumb drive in my pocket at all times! And those
backups with the program copied back to my system's 2nd HD.

Ah, well done!

I didn't know Roddy alters other peoples' posts. Maybe he is
underworld, and will seek each of us out in real life with a sniper
rifle.

Just look back at the few of mine he replyed too. He breaks paragraphs
so he can take things out of context almost all the time. It's fine to
remove parts you aren't responding to, but changing the meaning by
carfully editing is just being brain dead. Below is what he'd do to your
statement above about your thumb drive.

I will seek in real life with a sniper rifle.

That is you statement, with some words clipped. Kind of changes the
meaning, doesn't it! ;-)



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[David Simpson]

What do you think of Smart Defrag? It's free and appears to do that
stuff.
http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html

I'd have to try it out to really tell you for sure, but feature set looks
OK. I do not see anything about zones. And I'm not one to tell you
something I know nothing about.

I really like MyDefrag, now that I understand the script. About the only
thing if can't do, is boottime defrag, and with Vista and 7, there are
only a few files left that need to be defragged at boot time.

I also don't like the realtime defrag, as it can mess with real time ops,
but that's from personal experience, and probibly outdated.


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[David Simpson]

Ed Light wrote:
There are two aspects to defragmenters. (whole bunch cut out!)
Paul

Paul, VERY well said! Wow, you saved me a TON of typeing!


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[GreyCloud]

More fool you. Its completely trivial to prove that they don't.


Fantasy. And trivial to ensure that they don't anyway.

Yet I have provided a first time study into the matter.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/d...-on-dimm-street/638?tag=content;siu-container

"A two-and-a-half year study of DRAM on 10s of thousands Google servers
found DIMM error rates are hundreds to thousands of times higher than
thought — a mean of 3,751 correctable errors per DIMM per year.

This is the world’s first large-scale study of RAM errors in the field.
It looked at multiple vendors, DRAM densities and DRAM types including
DDR1, DDR2 and FB-DIMM.

Every system architect and motherboard designer should read it carefully."

 

[GreyCloud]

Most likely for most, it hasn't actually hit anything at all...ever.


Nope. Those who religiously do CRCs on their files don't.

And those who do run ECC memory don't either.


That's just plain wrong with both of those with CRCs on files moved.


That's just plain wrong, there are CRCs at that level.


That's just plain wrong, there are CRCs at that level.


That's just plain wrong, you can turn that on with most drives if you
want to.


There is no etc.


ECC systems don't cost that much more.


Mindlessly silly.


That's just plain wrong.


And if you apply CRCs to those files, you will find that they don't get
corrupted.


That's just plain wrong and you can do that if you want to anyway.

Funny that my pair of old DEC VAX4000s do have this built into the
hardware. Guess that is why they can achieve B3 security certification
while the best UNIX can do is C.

You are way out of your league in this one.
It is rather obvious that you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[GreyCloud]

New South Wales, Australia, actually. Typical Aussie wanker with a huge
chip on his shoulder.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

And using another route thru a german server. Known as a troll.

 

[GreyCloud]

Have you seen this?

http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

It has form.

If he loves to troll, then he would feel at home in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Yet I have provided a first time study into the matter.

It isnt anything like first time.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/d...-on-dimm-street/638?tag=content;siu-container

"A two-and-a-half year study of DRAM on 10s of thousands Google servers
found DIMM error rates are hundreds to thousands of times higher than
thought — a mean of 3,751 correctable errors per DIMM per year.

That last is a fantasy and its completely trivial to prove
that the average PC doesn’t get anything like that.

This is the world’s first large-scale study of RAM errors in the field.

Wrong, as always.

It looked at multiple vendors, DRAM densities and DRAM types including
DDR1, DDR2 and FB-DIMM.

Every system architect and motherboard designer should read it carefully."

Anyone with even half a clue can check if the PCs they are using
get anything like that error rate and use CRCs to ensure that if it
happens, you get notified that its happened.

 

[Rod Speed]

And using another route thru a german server.

Wrong, as always. It just happens to be the best
and cheapest reliable usenet server around, fool.

 

[Ed Light]

Also, something I'm looking at for pictures, is M-Disc DVD's. Writers
are just $10 more than the "normal" DVD writers, the disk are about $3
each, but I don't have THAT many pictures, and the disk will outlast
about anything, unless you try to destory them. That would be for items
that never change. like pictures.

Nero can do the Secure Disk thing (maybe it requires certain writers -
my Optiarc 7241S is ok), which I haven't tried, but you can control the
amount of extra error correction data it puts in, looking forward to
when some bits become unreadable.

Ah, well done!

Thanks! (Patting self on back.)

About Roddy:

He breaks paragraphs
so he can take things out of context almost all the time. It's fine to
remove parts you aren't responding to, but changing the meaning by
carfully editing is just being brain dead.

Too insidious of the vituperative one.
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[Ed Light]

Paul, VERY well said! Wow, you saved me a TON of typeing!

OK, don't think the quote of me is mine. I think maybe that was the
beginning of Paul's tutorial.

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[Ed Light]

I'd have to try it out to really tell you for sure, but feature set looks
OK. ....
I also don't like the realtime defrag, as it can mess with real time ops,
but that's from personal experience, and probibly outdated.

I, too, totally can't image defragging going on during using the
computer. On all my builds for friends, I turn it off in Windows. I'm
assuming it can be turned off in SmartDefrag. There is a self-contained,
not installed to Windows, version at portableapps.com. I've used it in
the past briefly and it can do a deep defrag where it intends to speed
up everything by what's used most, etc.

I tell the friends to defrag and even give them an icon that instantly
runs jkdefrag, but they never do it, and their computers get kind of
slow by the twice-a-year maintenance.

As to the Win 7 defragger, I think it works with Superfetch to optimize
things that you use alot. Or maybe Superfetch just does that
independently. But someone said that defragger's not so great.

I used to disable Superfetch, but I'm trying it out in case I get
quicker boots. It may take awhile for it to learn my habits and
rearrange things.

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