No Win7 drivers for mobo


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scbs29

Does it make any difference if there are no Win 7 drivers for a mobo ?
I have XP drivers but cannot find Win 7 ones. If I change to Win 7
will this make any difference ? Should I install the XP mobo drivers ?
(32 -bit XP and 7)

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VanguardLH

scbs29 said:
Does it make any difference if there are no Win 7 drivers for a mobo ?
I have XP drivers but cannot find Win 7 ones. If I change to Win 7
will this make any difference ? Should I install the XP mobo drivers ?
(32 -bit XP and 7)
Check if there are Vista drivers. Hard to say what might work since you
kept the motherboard make and model a secret. If you choose to reveal
the hardware then others that have the same hardware can tell you if
they managed to migrate to Windows 7.

<snipped the fake signature of Linux spam>
 
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Wolf K

Check if there are Vista drivers. Hard to say what might work since you
kept the motherboard make and model a secret. If you choose to reveal
the hardware then others that have the same hardware can tell you if
they managed to migrate to Windows 7.

<snipped the fake signature of Linux spam>
Download the Upgrade Advisor software, it sniffs your system hardware
and software, and tells you what will run.

Generally speaking, if XP runs on your hardware, W7 will, too. FWIW, I
had no trouble with an obsolete mob running a 2006 BIOS when I installed
W7 in late 2011.

Good luck.
 
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VanguardLH

Wolf said:
Download the Upgrade Advisor software, it sniffs your system hardware
and software, and tells you what will run.

Generally speaking, if XP runs on your hardware, W7 will, too. FWIW, I
had no trouble with an obsolete mob running a 2006 BIOS when I installed
W7 in late 2011.
The OP never mentioned for WHAT hardware he might need Win7 drivers.
I've had scanners and printers that couldn't move forward for use under
a later version of Windows because not only did their old software not
work under the new version of Windows but sometimes it refused to even
install in the new Windows version. THe hardware was too old, no longer
supported, so there was no later software version to use under the newer
version of Windows.

It's not just drivers for the motherboard (chipset) and other onboard
components (analog modem, wifi, etc) but also drivers for the external
peripherals (printers, scanners, cameras, joysticks and game pads, etc).
I suspect the OP has more computer-related hardware than just what is
inside the system case for the computer. And then there is the need for
drivers for what you can slide into the card slots.

The OP wants to move his ENTIRE computing environment to a new OS so the
OP needs to find drivers for all that hardware, not just for the mobo
(chipset) alone. He also needs to be concerned regarding service pack
level. Some software for hardware (driver or utilities) won't work
unless embedded functionality is available in the OS at or after some
service pack level.
 
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Wolf K

On 2013-09-06 9:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
[...]
The OP never mentioned for WHAT hardware he might need Win7 drivers.
I've had scanners and printers that couldn't move forward for use under
a later version of Windows because not only did their old software not
work under the new version of Windows but sometimes it refused to even
install in the new Windows version. THe hardware was too old, no longer
supported, so there was no later software version to use under the newer
version of Windows.[...]
The OP referred to a motherboard.

Printers etc are another issue. I kept XP on the old box so I could use
an ancient Canon ImageRunner laser printer. It's fusing sensor gave up
about six months later, and of course it wasn't worth repairing any
more. I'd bought it 2nd hand bout 10 years earlier, so it didn't owe me
anything.
 
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Wolf K

On 2013-09-06 9:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
[...]
The OP wants to move his ENTIRE computing environment to a new OS so the
OP needs to find drivers for all that hardware, not just for the mobo
(chipset) alone. He also needs to be concerned regarding service pack
level. Some software for hardware (driver or utilities) won't work
unless embedded functionality is available in the OS at or after some
service pack level.
That's why Upgrade Adviser should be used. Even if it ignores some of
the in/external add-ons, it will provide information for deciding
whether or not it's worth trying to rescue the old machine.

OTOH, if as you surmise he's also trying to find W7 drivers for
in/external add-ons, and he hasn't found any, then there aren't any. I
suppose the occasional Vista driver will work in W7, but that wasn't my
experience.

HTH
 
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scbs29

Does it make any difference if there are no Win 7 drivers for a mobo ?
I have XP drivers but cannot find Win 7 ones. If I change to Win 7
will this make any difference ? Should I install the XP mobo drivers ?
(32 -bit XP and 7)

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Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.

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scbs29

Are you sure that's not an Asrock mobo?
Yes, it is.
Apologies, can only plead advanced senility.

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BobbyM

Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.
Are you sure that's not an Asrock mobo?
 
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tigger

scbs29 writted thus:
Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.

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I have a box with a well used ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H that had no 32bit
Win7 drivers. All the Vista drivers were fine for it except the realtec
sound, I had to go back to the 32bit XP driver for that to work. YMMV but
Vista drivers seem to work for me. Don't expect any 64bit drivers to
work, and I didn't try any XP drivers other than realtec, which went in
but quickly needed updating from realtec themselves in order to work.

TBH it was a lot of hassle getting it up and running and it still has no
decent pci bridge driver, all the USB ports are flakey to say the least.
They appear to have no power until booted fully, so no USB boot
available, and no USB mouse to play with during CD OS installs.

I might add that Win7 on it is very good until you give it a lot to do,
then it slows up considerably. I think it just isn't up to Win7.
 
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Wolf K

On 2013-09-07 8:02 AM, tigger wrote:

[snip good stuff]
I might add that Win7 on it is very good until you give it a lot to do,
then it slows up considerably. I think it just isn't up to Win7.
H'm. Maxing RAM may be a solution. OTOH, it could be a slow (i.e., old)
front side bus. My old mobo (an MSI Neon, cutting edge in its day) had
an 800=something MHz FSB, 4GB RAM. W7 (and later W8) actually ran faster
than XP.

HTH
 
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Wolf K

Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.
Good for you. It's oddly satisfying to keep old hardware working. ;-)
 
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Paul

tigger said:
scbs29 writted thus:


I have a box with a well used ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H that had no 32bit
Win7 drivers. All the Vista drivers were fine for it except the realtec
sound, I had to go back to the 32bit XP driver for that to work. YMMV but
Vista drivers seem to work for me. Don't expect any 64bit drivers to
work, and I didn't try any XP drivers other than realtec, which went in
but quickly needed updating from realtec themselves in order to work.

TBH it was a lot of hassle getting it up and running and it still has no
decent pci bridge driver, all the USB ports are flakey to say the least.
They appear to have no power until booted fully, so no USB boot
available, and no USB mouse to play with during CD OS installs.

I might add that Win7 on it is very good until you give it a lot to do,
then it slows up considerably. I think it just isn't up to Win7.
The S478 socket kind of dooms it. You can't run Windows 8 on
that, as nothing that fits in the socket supports NX bit. And
in terms of performance, as you note, a single core bogs down
pretty rapidly. My laptop has a single core processor, has
Windows 7 loaded, and just the action of loading 100MB packages
for a webcam and a printer, leaves enough cruft ("services")
to have a noticeable effect. The modern OSes really need more cores,
which they can consume for themselves. Leaving a core for you
to use. The best processor available, would perhaps be
a Northwood 3.4GHz FSB800 with Hyperthreading. And it would
still run Windows 7 like my laptop does.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/P4VM890 R2.0/?cat=CPU

What could help a tiny bit, is using an SSD for the boot drive.
But when your AV starts, or the system is indexing, it's gonna
be slow. Just like my laptop.

*******

The Conexant CX2388x is kinda strange, in that it's as much
a job for an application as for a driver. I use DScaler
for my BT878 and I've recorded movies from the VCR with it.
The original Hauppauge software worked, but I stopped
following that source.

In the DScaler forums, I see chips other than BT8x8 getting
honorable mention. So this is a possibility for recording.

http://www.dscaler.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=26990

They have a supported-card list.

http://www.dscaler.net/card-support/index.htm

The available info on cx23880, 881, 882, 883, says it is
similar to the BT878. The DScaler application I use, is
probably not under active development this late in the game.
So while DScaler (Windows application) may have started life,
based on the BTTV Linux drivers, it's a good question how many others
it supports. The card-support page would have been
a good place to list the supported chips, rather than
guess at them.

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_CX2388x

OK, I checked my install folder (and I'm not running
the latest version), and this file is present:

cx2388xCards.ini

[Conexant CX23880 TV/FM EVK]
[Conexant CX23880 TV/FM EVK (PAL)]
[Holo 3d Graph]
[PixelView XCapture]
[MSI TV@nywhere (NTSC)]
[MSI TV@nywhere (PAL)]
[Asus TV Tuner 880 (NTSC)]
[Prolink PlayTV HD]
[Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx models]
[PixelView XCapture With PDI Mod]
[Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP Expert (Pal)]

So there is hope. Maybe that file is larger now.

The downloaded application, uses INNO installer,
so it's difficult to review the files before
installing the application. I normally use WINE
for that (in a Linux VM), to be on the safe side.
WINE allows me to run an installer long enough, to
get at the files for a look.

Paul
 
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tigger

Wolf K writted thus:
On 2013-09-07 8:02 AM, tigger wrote:

[snip good stuff]
I might add that Win7 on it is very good until you give it a lot to do,
then it slows up considerably. I think it just isn't up to Win7.
H'm. Maxing RAM may be a solution. OTOH, it could be a slow (i.e., old)
front side bus. My old mobo (an MSI Neon, cutting edge in its day) had
an 800=something MHz FSB, 4GB RAM. W7 (and later W8) actually ran faster
than XP.

HTH
I had maxed the RAM, but as you say the whole mobo bundle is just old. I
have now circumvented the Win7 issues by bunging Ubuntu on a dual boot,
which turns out to be surprisingly slick. With all the talk of Win8 being
harsh on the old learning curve I'm exploring Linux now. I've surprised
myself in that I hardly ever boot Windows anymore...
 
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philo 

Does it make any difference if there are no Win 7 drivers for a mobo ?
I have XP drivers but cannot find Win 7 ones. If I change to Win 7
will this make any difference ? Should I install the XP mobo drivers ?
(32 -bit XP and 7)

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Moot point:


Since Asus lists no such mobo I'm guessing you mean ASRock

if so, per the website of the mfg that board only supports 2 gigs of RAM
so running Win7 is going to be a very poor experience.


I'd keep running XP until the day comes you decided you need a hardware
upgrade.
 
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VanguardLH

philo  said:
Since Asus lists no such mobo I'm guessing you mean ASRock

if so, per the website of the mfg that board only supports 2 gigs of
RAM so running Win7 is going to be a very poor experience.
Where do you get those wonderful mind expanding drugs, crystal balls, or
light-bending telescopes that let you see what was never stated? From
where did you dig up that the OP said he has an Asus mobo? He never
identifies his hardware, like also back in:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/oLA0bNYHGB0

He bitches but seems to still want to stick with Windows, as in:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/Hlm1RVJIdyk

Macro$haft and Milkro$oft and Meekro$soft this, Windoze that, horse-
shit, forced into home computers, and <berate something else> yet here
in this newsgroup he protrays a user wanting to upgrade to, um, more of
the Macro$shaft horse-shit. I have to wonder why he doesn't stick with
his proselytized choice of a free OS and rely on free tho variable-
quality peer help.
I'd keep running XP until the day comes you decided you need a hardware
upgrade.
Or maybe until a year from now on April 8, 2014 when all support for XP
dies ... unless you want to now start using Offline WSUS so you can
store your own compendium of updates for XP for when you may have to do
a reinstall of XP due to corruption, disk failure, hardware upgrades, to
start afresh, or any other reason you want or need to do a new install
of that OS. Once support is gone, you won't be getting those [old]
updates from Microsoft anymore to bring you through the service packs,
bug fixes, and security updates to get to the same state you have now
for that OS.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/
(not a Microsoft program)

Don't think it'll happen? Where do Windows 98 users now obtain service
packs for that OS? See www.ehow.com/how_5908305_windows-98-updates.html
and www.bing.com/search?q=windows%2098%20service%20pack but that's only
for service packs, not for all the updates after the last one. Of
course, you still want to download the service packs for Windows XP
separate of rolling them into the offline WSUS database.
 
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philo 

Where do you get those wonderful mind expanding drugs, crystal balls, or
light-bending telescopes that let you see what was never stated? From
where did you dig up that the OP said he has an Asus mobo? He never
identifies his hardware, like also back in:
Since you seem to have trouble reading I'll quote the OP for you:




Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.

remove fred before emailing
Registered Linux User 490858
 
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BobbyM

Since you seem to have trouble reading I'll quote the OP for you:
Oops, Sorry.
Should have said mobo is ASUS P4VM890.
Found drivers for printer, grapics card.
Checking now for soundcard (SoundBlaster Audigy) drivers.
Only other thing is a Conextant CX2388x Video Capture card.
However, after I questioned him on it, he decided that he had an Asrock
instead of an ASUS mobo.
 
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scbs29

Does it make any difference if there are no Win 7 drivers for a mobo ?
I have XP drivers but cannot find Win 7 ones. If I change to Win 7
will this make any difference ? Should I install the XP mobo drivers ?
(32 -bit XP and 7)

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Please let me now end this.
All I wanted to know was generally what difference does it make if
theere are no mobo drivers insalled ? No more, no less. Mobo doesn't
matter, hardware doesn't matter.
VanguardH, I am not even going o bother to make any response to your
last post, except to say that yes, I admit that I have already made
enquiries about changing from XP to Win 7. So what ?

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Paladin

Please let me now end this.
All I wanted to know was generally what difference does it make if
theere are no mobo drivers insalled ? No more, no less. Mobo doesn't
matter, hardware doesn't matter.
VanguardH, I am not even going o bother to make any response to your
last post, except to say that yes, I admit that I have already made
enquiries about changing from XP to Win 7. So what ?
The "VanguardH" is a friggen moron.
His knowledge consist of what he googled 10 minutes ago.

He's a weak usenet bully...you piqued his interest because the word "Linux"
appeared in your post.
 

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