File size limit in FAT 32?

[me again]

...."The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows 32 systems
did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting the size to virtually
2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

 

[Char Jackson]

..."The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows 32 systems
did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting the size to virtually
2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Still not true. I guess we're stuck in a loop.

 

[Tim Slattery]

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows 32 systems
did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting the size to virtually
2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

WRONG!!!!

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

..."The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

--
Zaphod

Arthur Dent, speaking to Trillian about Zaphod:
"So, two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else he's got two of?"

 

[Chris S.]

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1
byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length
entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software
easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows
32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting
the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed
about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2 Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this. Every
non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are either
2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my experience with
databases under various flavors of Windows and file systems, ranging from
Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through whateverversionof NTFS we are on
now... The only time I've encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with
FAT16 under Win9x (where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using
NFS v2 and earlier.

CORRECT!

Chris

 

[Andy]

its true and you cant admit you're wrong what bugs you is you cant shut me
up and make me go away like the trolls that say negative things about me in
the groups TRY to do.

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1
byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length
entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software
easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows 32
systems
did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting the size to
virtually
2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in
Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Still not true. I guess we're stuck in a loop.

 

[Andy]

that's right Chris you and i know its true but the others cant admit they
are wrong i find that happens in the windows help groups alot.

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1
byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length
entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software
easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows
32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus
limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is
indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2 Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've encountered a
2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x (where the partition
size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and earlier.

CORRECT!

Chris

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with
a sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT
table, thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the
maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is
2 Gigabytes.


Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports
this. Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in
FAT32 are either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also
matches my experience with databases under various flavors of
Windows and file systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and
FAT16 through whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only
time I've encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16
under Win9x (where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using
NFS v2 and earlier.

CORRECT!

Chris

that's right Chris you and i know its true but the others cant admit
they are wrong i find that happens in the windows help groups alot.

Actually, Chris was agreeing with me, so is disagreeing with your
mistaken belief that there is/was a file size limitation of 2GB under
the FAT32 file system. If you want to be taken seriously, find a
citation that supports your assertion. Oh, and a bit more attention
to punctuation, capitalization, grammar, etc., wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Bob I]

Andy,

The reason it happens in the "windows help groups alot" is "BECAUSE YOU
ARE WRONG ALOT"

that's right Chris you and i know its true but the others cant admit they
are wrong i find that happens in the windows help groups alot.

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1
byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length
entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software
easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows
32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus
limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is
indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2 Gigabytes.


Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've encountered a
2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x (where the partition
size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and earlier.

CORRECT!

Chris

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

its true and you cant admit you're wrong what bugs you is you cant shut me
up and make me go away like the trolls that say negative things about me in
the groups TRY to do.

Oy weh.

 

[Char Jackson]

Oy weh.

Welcome to Andy's World. ;-)

 

[Roy Smith]

its true and you cant admit you're wrong what bugs you is you cant shut me
up and make me go away like the trolls that say negative things about me in
the groups TRY to do.

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB minus 1
byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file length
entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other software
easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest Windows 32
systems
did not use the high order bit in the FAT table, thus limiting the size to
virtually
2GB. So while the maximum "possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in
Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Still not true. I guess we're stuck in a loop.

True nobody can make you stop posting, but that doesn't stop us from
ignoring your posts.

*_PLONK_*

 

[me again]

WRONG!!!!

pl-oink!

Tim, your stupidity is without parallel.

 

[me again]

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

I am Happy to supply a citation, which is a very reasonable request.

"You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte less than 4
GB) on a FAT32 partition."
- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463

This is a microsoft implementation limit.

 

[me again]

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

I am Happy to supply a citation, which is a very reasonable request.

"You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte less than 4
GB) on a FAT32 partition."
- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463

This is a microsoft implementation limit.

Oops! I misread, and apologize because I was thinking FAT16 after all!

http://www.genie9.com/support/kb/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=113+

 

[Ed Cryer]

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.


Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

I am Happy to supply a citation, which is a very reasonable request.

"You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte
less than 4
GB) on a FAT32 partition."
- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463

This is a microsoft implementation limit.

Oops! I misread, and apologize because I was thinking FAT16 after all!

http://www.genie9.com/support/kb/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=113+

Right then, so here's my conclusion about this 2GB limit; speaking as
somebody who hasn't previously contributed in this thread.
1. It applies to FAT16, not FAT32 where the limit is a couple of bytes
under 4GB.
2. The misunderstanding arises from misreading in articles about various
FAT formats.

Ed

 

[Lee Waun]

Andy,

The reason it happens in the "windows help groups alot" is "BECAUSE
YOU ARE WRONG ALOT"

LOL That is a good one.

 

[me again]

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.


Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.



I am Happy to supply a citation, which is a very reasonable request.

"You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte
less than 4
GB) on a FAT32 partition."
- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463

This is a microsoft implementation limit.

Oops! I misread, and apologize because I was thinking FAT16 after all!

http://www.genie9.com/support/kb/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=113+

Right then, so here's my conclusion about this 2GB limit; speaking as somebody who
hasn't previously contributed in this thread.
1. It applies to FAT16, not FAT32 where the limit is a couple of bytes under 4GB.
2. The misunderstanding arises from misreading in articles about various FAT formats.

Ed

Thanks to the editor ;-) for getting into this. There are limitations in
implementation and further confusion between "drive" type and "FAT" type.

And this still has me confused:
"A FAT32 FAT entry is actually only a 28-bit entry. The high
4 bits of a FAT32 FAT entry are reserved"
- http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/misc/fatgen103.pdf

 

[me again]

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

I hope I'm not beating a dead horse, but here is where some people
experience a puzzling 2GB limit in a FAT32 system: with DVD:

"If your temporary folder is on a drive that has FAT 32 file system, GBM will not be
able to backup the temporary files to the temporary location before burning to DVD,
as FAT 32 has a file size limitation that will prevent loading files to the drive
that exceed 2GB. To overcome this limitation you have the following options:"

- http://www.genie9.com/Support/KB/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=114+

 

[Bob I]

Chris S. wrote:

...

"The maximum possible size for a file on a FAT32 volume is 4 GB
minus 1 byte or 4 294
967 295 (232?1) bytes. This limit is a consequence of the file
length entry in the
directory table and would also affect huge FAT16 partitions with a
sufficient sector
size.[1] Video applications, large databases, and some other
software easily exceed
this limit. Larger files require another filesystem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

Stay away from Andy's "PC Shop"

Chris

Chris, don't believe everything you see in print. The earliest
Windows 32 systems did not use the high order bit in the FAT table,
thus limiting the size to virtually 2GB. So while the maximum
"possible" is indeed about 4 GB, the maximum in Win32 is 2
Gigabytes.

Citation please. I'm unable to find a reference that supports this.
Every non-anecdotal reference to file size limitations in FAT32 are
either 2^32-1 bytes or 4GB -1 (or 2) bytes. This also matches my
experience with databases under various flavors of Windows and file
systems, ranging from Win95 through Win7 and FAT16 through
whateverversionof NTFS we are on now... The only time I've
encountered a 2GB file size limitation is with FAT16 under Win9x
(where the partition size is limited to 2GB) and using NFS v2 and
earlier.

I hope I'm not beating a dead horse, but here is where some people
experience a puzzling 2GB limit in a FAT32 system: with DVD:

"If your temporary folder is on a drive that has FAT 32 file system, GBM
will not be able to backup the temporary files to the temporary location
before burning to DVD, as FAT 32 has a file size limitation that will
prevent loading files to the drive that exceed 2GB. To overcome this
limitation you have the following options:"

- http://www.genie9.com/Support/KB/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=114+

I suspect that once again the problem is self inflicted by Genie
programers using a signed integer to store the size, ergo the half sized
file limit they run into.