Dual Boot - Win2k *After* Windows 7 (?)

[croy]

Now that I've gotten Windows 7 set up and stable, I'd like
to throw my old Windows 2000 on as a dual boot, so that I
can run my flatbed scanner.

Anybody have a link to a page that can keep me out of
trouble thru this endeavor?

 

[philo]

Now that I've gotten Windows 7 set up and stable, I'd like
to throw my old Windows 2000 on as a dual boot, so that I
can run my flatbed scanner.

Anybody have a link to a page that can keep me out of
trouble thru this endeavor?

Major hassle

I'd just run win2k in a virtual machine


FWIW: I have an HP ScanJet 5p
that works fine in Win7 using the win2k drivers.

If you want to use win2k drivers in Win7...
though they may work fine...
it's at your own risk of course.

 

[Stewart]

I set up a dual booy with windows 7 on one hard drive and windows xp on
other; this was to be sure that I could run my Epson scanner and printer as
well as pinnacle software for my camcorder.
The scanner and printer both run no problem with windows 7 so the dual boot
was not really needed. Camcorder and pinnacle a bit different as it needs a
firewire connection etc..
Can you borrow a laptop and with windows 7 on it and try your scanner? That
is what I would do, then if OK just go for 7.

 

[Paul]

Now that I've gotten Windows 7 set up and stable, I'd like
to throw my old Windows 2000 on as a dual boot, so that I
can run my flatbed scanner.

Anybody have a link to a page that can keep me out of
trouble thru this endeavor?

My recommended recipe, is to install the OSes on separate
disks. The purpose of doing that, is so either OS can be
uninstalled, either disk unplugged, either disk trashed,
without affecting the other.

First, unplug the Windows 7 hard drive. Install the Win2K
hard drive. Insert the Win2K CD and install it. Boot
into Win2K at least once, making sure all is well.

Now, you can plug in the Windows 7 drive again. Boot
from the Windows 7 drive. (You would be using the BIOS
hard drive boot options, to select drives up to this
point.) Now, use EasyBCD, to add a menu entry to Windows 7,
and leave the BIOS set up to select the Windows 7 disk
for booting. When Windows 7 comes up, you'll have the
menu option for Windows 7 or Win2K at your disposal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyBCD

http://neosmart.net/gallery/photo/view/neosmart/EasyBCD/EasyBCD+2.0/Add+Entry+Windows+XP+manual/

I've tested that sequence, inside a VPC2007 virtual machine,
using the eval version of Windows 7 (32 bit) that you could download,
and it worked just fine. I had two .vhd disks, and using
EasyBCD, was able to select which disk to boot from, when
the Windows 7 disk booted.

As I understand it, if you're multibooting, you install the
more modern OS last. If you installed Win2K first, then
installed Windows 7, the more modern OS recognizes the existence
of the older OS, and knows how to set up multibooting. In
the other order (Win2K last), Win2K doesn't know what
Windows 7 is. I feel the next best alternative, is to do
something like the procedure I describe above, because
from a maintenance perspective, it's easier to clean up later.
With two separate disks, and Easybcd adding a menu entry, that's
as close as you get to "no strings attached" between the two
OSes. You can either select an OS for boot, from the BIOS
disk menu, or boot the Windows 7 partition, and be offered
the OS choice from there.

Paul

 

[croy]

Major hassle

I'd just run win2k in a virtual machine

Can I do that on this Win7 Home Premium version?

FWIW: I have an HP ScanJet 5p
that works fine in Win7 using the win2k drivers.

Two discussion points here: First, it's really not the
scanner that's holding me up just now, but the SCSI card
that connects it to the computer. It's an AdvanSys, and it
seems that the company has gone "poof"! And it is the *one*
piece of hardware that I can find absolutely no purchase
record on, and no drivers disk.

Secondly, my scanner is an HP ScanJet IIc. I bought it
before Windows 3.1 was available--I had to buy Windows 3.0
to be able to use the scanner. And even *if* I had a
working SCSI card, I don't know if the scanner would work in
Win7 or not.

 

[philo]

Can I do that on this Win7 Home Premium version?

Although you cannot use Windows Virtual PC

there are a number of free virtual machines that should work

such as Virtual Box

viz:
https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHO...-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI

Two discussion points here: First, it's really not the
scanner that's holding me up just now, but the SCSI card
that connects it to the computer. It's an AdvanSys, and it
seems that the company has gone "poof"! And it is the *one*
piece of hardware that I can find absolutely no purchase
record on, and no drivers disk.

Yep

I had the same problem...I needed to get my scsi card working first.
In may case the drivers were no problem to find...
If the needed drivers are not built in to Win2k
then installing win2k will do you no good unless you can get the drivers
somewhere (if you have an existing install with the scsi card drivers in
it, they could be extracted, however)

Secondly, my scanner is an HP ScanJet IIc. I bought it
before Windows 3.1 was available--I had to buy Windows 3.0
to be able to use the scanner. And even *if* I had a
working SCSI card, I don't know if the scanner would work in
Win7 or not.

It may work

but honestly it may not be worth it as a new USB scanner does not cost
much...($50)
and I see them all the time in second hand stores for $5

 

[JD]

My recommended recipe, is to install the OSes on separate
disks. The purpose of doing that, is so either OS can be
uninstalled, either disk unplugged, either disk trashed,
without affecting the other.

First, unplug the Windows 7 hard drive. Install the Win2K
hard drive. Insert the Win2K CD and install it. Boot
into Win2K at least once, making sure all is well.

Now, you can plug in the Windows 7 drive again. Boot
from the Windows 7 drive. (You would be using the BIOS
hard drive boot options, to select drives up to this
point.) Now, use EasyBCD, to add a menu entry to Windows 7,
and leave the BIOS set up to select the Windows 7 disk
for booting. When Windows 7 comes up, you'll have the
menu option for Windows 7 or Win2K at your disposal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyBCD

http://neosmart.net/gallery/photo/view/neosmart/EasyBCD/EasyBCD+2.0/Add+Entry+Windows+XP+manual/


I've tested that sequence, inside a VPC2007 virtual machine,
using the eval version of Windows 7 (32 bit) that you could download,
and it worked just fine. I had two .vhd disks, and using
EasyBCD, was able to select which disk to boot from, when
the Windows 7 disk booted.

As I understand it, if you're multibooting, you install the
more modern OS last. If you installed Win2K first, then
installed Windows 7, the more modern OS recognizes the existence
of the older OS, and knows how to set up multibooting. In
the other order (Win2K last), Win2K doesn't know what
Windows 7 is. I feel the next best alternative, is to do
something like the procedure I describe above, because
from a maintenance perspective, it's easier to clean up later.
With two separate disks, and Easybcd adding a menu entry, that's
as close as you get to "no strings attached" between the two
OSes. You can either select an OS for boot, from the BIOS
disk menu, or boot the Windows 7 partition, and be offered
the OS choice from there.

Paul

I have a NetBook with Win 7 on the C: partition. I
tried to install Win2K on the D:
partition but it would not let me.

 

[Paul]

I have a NetBook with Win 7 on the C: partition. I tried to install
Win2K on the D:
partition but it would not let me.

In principle, I don't see a reason why those two OSes could not
coexist, stored on the same hard drive.

It's a matter of coming up with an install (and transfer method),
to get them both onto the disk.

For example, say I owned a spare 2.5" SATA drive, and I also had
a USB hard drive enclosure to hold the 2.5" drive later.

1) Remove Win7 drive from netbook. Install spare drive.
2) Install Win2K on spare drive. (Erase spare drive with DBAN,
if it resists.)
3) Once you've got all the drivers installed, it boots Win2K OK,
then it is time to put the Windows 7 drive back in the netbook.
4) Move the spare drive, into the USB enclosure. Plug the USB
enclosure into the netbook.
5) Using "dd", move the Win2K OS partition from the spare drive,
to D: on the Windows 7 drive.

For that to work, the partition on the spare drive, would have to
be the *exact* same size as the D: partition. You could prepare the
partition first, before starting the Windows install, to be absolutely
certain it is the same size. Tools like this can help you, when you want
to verify the numbers.

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

When you copy that partition over with "dd", it doesn't change
the boot flag which is associated with Windows 7. So Windows 7
is going to be selected for boot. (The MBR allows one of the four
primary partitions to be marked "active" via the usage of the
boot flag.)

Then, with Windows 7 booted, add an entry in the boot menu (using EasyBCD),
for your new Win2K. After that, you'll be offered two OS choices when you
start the laptop from power-off.

Using "dd" to move the partition over, solves the problem of
preserving the partition boot sector. If you used "robocopy" to
copy the contents of the Win2K spare drive install, over to D:,
you'd get the files alright, but you would lose the partition boot
sector. Then you'd need to use the recovery console, to do a
"fixboot" and put it back. Something like robocopy, would allow
the two partitions (spare disk install partition, and D: partition),
to be different sizes.

If you knew of a utility that could copy just the partition boot sector,
then that would be preferable to having to use the recovery console.
I hate having to figure out, exactly which partition is the one
that needs to be fixed.

So there are ways to get them both on the same disk, but it'll take
some effort.

The Windows installer, likely has some logic for checking what it
finds on the MBR, and declining to install if it sees something it
doesn't like. The thing is, the Win2K installer is going to want
to plop its 446 bytes of boot code into the MBR, which would wipe
out what Windows 7 put there (and that is separate from the partition
boot sector). So there are good reasons for it not proceeding. Even
in Windows 7, you have things like Recovery Console, and you could
do the equivalent of "fixmbr" to repair the damage. I like the
separate drive approach, because then I'm a bit more in control
of what happens.

Paul

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

croy wrote:

Two discussion points here: First, it's really not the scanner
that's holding me up just now, but the SCSI card that connects it to
the computer. It's an AdvanSys, and it seems that the company has
gone "poof"! And it is the *one* piece of hardware that I can find
absolutely no purchase record on, and no drivers disk.

Secondly, my scanner is an HP ScanJet IIc. I bought it before
Windows 3.1 was available--I had to buy Windows 3.0 to be able to use
the scanner. And even *if* I had a working SCSI card, I don't know
if the scanner would work in Win7 or not.

Sounds like it would be a lot simpler to just update the hardware. You
can get a decent Windows 7 compatible, USB connected scanner for under $100.

 

[philo]

In principle, I don't see a reason why those two OSes could not
coexist, stored on the same hard drive.

When dual booting different version of Windows...
one needs to install the older OS first.

If the order is reversed...and the older OS is installed second...
the original boot sector is re-written and the ability to boot to the
newer OS is lost.

The best way to do it is with a 3rd part boot manager

or installing the operating systems on different drives
and booting though the bios drive selector (assuming the bios has that
option)


However, that said...this is one time where a new USB scanner is in order.

If the OP had his scanner since the days of win3x...
I bet the bulb has little life left in it

 

[JD]

When dual booting different version of Windows...
one needs to install the older OS first.

If the order is reversed...and the older OS is installed second...
the original boot sector is re-written and the ability to boot to the
newer OS is lost.

The best way to do it is with a 3rd part boot manager

or installing the operating systems on different drives
and booting though the bios drive selector (assuming the bios has that
option)


However, that said...this is one time where a new USB scanner is in order.

If the OP had his scanner since the days of win3x...
I bet the bulb has little life left in it

Thank you Paul and Philo for the great responses.

Hope you're enjoying the weekend

 

[Roy Smith]

croy wrote:



Sounds like it would be a lot simpler to just update the hardware. You
can get a decent Windows 7 compatible, USB connected scanner for under $100.

Yup... I just recently went to Wal-Mart and bought a Canon Pixma MX340
for $79.00. It's a all-in-one printer, fax, scanner and copier that
also has USB and WiFi connection capabilities. Have it connected via
WiFi to the network so that any of my PC's at home can use it over the
network.

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Yup... I just recently went to Wal-Mart and bought a Canon Pixma MX340
for $79.00. It's a all-in-one printer, fax, scanner and copier that
also has USB and WiFi connection capabilities. Have it connected via
WiFi to the network so that any of my PC's at home can use it over the
network.

Great Minds, etc. I just bought a Canon Pixma MP560 for about that
price, also at Walmart.

 

[croy]

croy wrote:



Sounds like it would be a lot simpler to just update the hardware. You
can get a decent Windows 7 compatible, USB connected scanner for under $100.

Well, there's one more kicker: I've also got a Nikon film
scanner that also needs to run from a SCSI card.

Somebody over in alt.comp.periphs.scanner has it worked out.
It requires a different SCSI card than the one I have, but
I'll check the surplus store around the corner later today,
and see if they have one (or a pile of them).

 

[croy]

Well, there's one more kicker: I've also got a Nikon film
scanner that also needs to run from a SCSI card.

Somebody over in alt.comp.periphs.scanner has it worked out.
It requires a different SCSI card than the one I have, but
I'll check the surplus store around the corner later today,
and see if they have one (or a pile of them).

The surplus store came through! Snagged a AHA-2940AU for
$10. Got the Vista drivers for that from Adaptec. Followed
Barry's guide, and now have my HP ScanJet IIc working in
Windows 7.

I don't think I had/have any other reason to dual-boot to
Win2k, so it looks like I'm done here.

Thanks to all who replied here.