Don't Want 'Pin to ...", Prefer Separate Taskbar Icon

[Ed Cryer]

Is not "Start", synonymous with "beginning"? ;-)

Maybe, but at which end is the beginning?

Ed

 

[Ken Blake]

They *were* called the system tray. Now they have gained the dignity
of several extra syllables as the Notification Area. I can't
remember whether the System Tray was part of the Taskbar or not, but
the Notification Area is: if you click on an empty area of the
Taskbar and select Properties, the second section of the Taskbar tab
lets you customize the Notification Area.

Just a bit of trivia, but it was actually always called the
"notification area," even way back in Windows 95. "System Tray" wasn't
its former name, just an informal name for it.

Here's a Microsoft link to a Windows 95 page calling it the
"notification area":
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;139408

 

[bd]

Is not "Start", synonymous with "beginning"? ;-)

If you read left to right, wouldn't the extreme end be the end to the
right?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Is not "Start", synonymous with "beginning"? ;-)

OK, I'll play

1. Start here refers not to the task bar but to starting a program or
whatever.

2. And has been pointed out sardonically more than once, in Windows
speak, you have to press Start to shut the computer down, which is an
ending of some kind, n'est-ce pas?

Just to be serious for a moment (why?, you might ask), in math, which
is a significant part of my background, a line segment has ends, not
beginnings. IIRC, that is.

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Is not "Start", synonymous with "beginning"? ;-)

Perhaps you should take that question to "alt.philosophy.debate."

 

[Ken Blake]

Just to be serious for a moment (why?, you might ask), in math, which
is a significant part of my background, a line segment has ends, not
beginnings. IIRC, that is.

You are saying essentially the same thing I say earlier in this
thread: "A piece of string [not very different from a line segment]
can be said to have two ends."

And to repeat myself, "But a Task Bar clearly has a beginning and
*one* end."

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:20:18 -0700, Gene E. Bloch

Just to be serious for a moment (why?, you might ask), in math, which
is a significant part of my background, a line segment has ends, not
beginnings. IIRC, that is.

You are saying essentially the same thing I say earlier in this
thread: "A piece of string [not very different from a line segment]
can be said to have two ends."

Not quite.

And to repeat myself, "But a Task Bar clearly has a beginning and
*one* end."

It is precisely your remark that you repeat here that I questioned in
my prior post, in the part you clipped when you quoted my second post.

I repeat my remark here: "Not in my lexicon". FYI, lexicon means a
dictionary or word list.

And the remark that I made about my upbringing in math was an
explanation of remarks I made, under the rubric "OK, I'll play ", in
reply to a post by Bob I, who was having some fun...Although similar to
what you said, it explains why I think as I do about line segments, and
leads to an entirely different conclusion.

I might add that I rarely (make that never) traverse the Task Bar from
one end to the other, either left to right or right to left. I instead
navigate in from outside, putting my cursor on an icon in the bar, and
then rest or click. If I always dragged my cursor from the Start orb to
the icon I was interested in, then I might agree with you, but I don't
and I don't.

 

[Bob I]

Maybe, but at which end is the beginning?

Ed

Ok, let's play 20 questions. What appears on the screen when you hover
the cursor on the Round button that appears on the Taskbar?

 

[Bob I]

OK, I'll play

1. Start here refers not to the task bar but to starting a program or
whatever.

Why can't "Start" refer to a location as defined in dictionaries?

2. And has been pointed out sardonically more than once, in Windows
speak, you have to press Start to shut the computer down, which is an
ending of some kind, n'est-ce pas?

So you do know the location of "Start"! ;-)

Just to be serious for a moment (why?, you might ask), in math, which is
a significant part of my background, a line segment has ends, not
beginnings. IIRC, that is.

Ah but if that is to be strictly the definition used, then the
'Notification area" would be adjacent to the end, not at it.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Ok, let's play 20 questions. What appears on the screen when you hover the
cursor on the Round button that appears on the Taskbar?

A verb, not a noun.

 

[Ken Blake]

If I always dragged my cursor from the Start orb to
the icon I was interested in, then I might agree with you, but I don't
and I don't.

I don't want to get into an argument over this, especially since it's
such a minor issue, but I'll make one final point about this, and then
shut up.

Note that you call it what the rest of us do--"the 'Start' orb."

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:28:42 -0700, Gene E. Bloch



I don't want to get into an argument over this,

This has been kind of a fun thread - or a waste of time, if you prefer
to call it that

especially since it's
such a minor issue, but I'll make one final point about this, and then
shut up.

Note that you call it what the rest of us do--"the 'Start' orb."

Yes, I call it the Start Orb or the Start Menu, but I don't call it the
start of the Task Bar. As I mentioned elsewhere, in that context the
word Start is really a verb, not a noun or adjective. It means "Click
here to start doing something", not "this is the start of the Task
Bar".

So now let's shake hands and come out smiling, since we're both too
stubborn to 'Start' altering our views

As for System Tray versus Notification area, another argument that has
appeared here, in my world it's like the word 'either' - I use the
terms interchangeably, and I pronounce 'either' as 'ee-ther' or
'eye-ther' interchangeably. I have no idea of the ratio of one term to
the other or one pronunciation to the other...But I still think the
Start Orb is at the left end of the Task Bar and the System Tray is the
right end of the Task Bar

 

[Ken Blake]

This has been kind of a fun thread - or a waste of time, if you prefer
to call it that



Yes, I call it the Start Orb or the Start Menu, but I don't call it the
start of the Task Bar. As I mentioned elsewhere, in that context the
word Start is really a verb, not a noun or adjective. It means "Click
here to start doing something", not "this is the start of the Task
Bar".

So now let's shake hands and come out smiling, since we're both too
stubborn to 'Start' altering our views

OK, that's fine with me.