Can't get permission.... AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Valorie *~]

.... to delete unwanted programs in W-7 after a System Recovery. Clicking on
Properties (of the program) and security tab, and advanced button and owner
Tab and Edit button.... and user name in "change owner" box... etc. etc.
doen't give permission to delete programs. It still says I need permission.
How is this done after a SysRec? How can I get complete control of this PC
where I can delete unwanted programs?

Yes, it sees the external modem now and can get online but now there are
other problems.

 

[Bob Hatch]

... to delete unwanted programs in W-7 after a System Recovery. Clicking
on Properties (of the program) and security tab, and advanced button and
owner Tab and Edit button.... and user name in "change owner" box...
etc. etc. doen't give permission to delete programs. It still says I
need permission. How is this done after a SysRec? How can I get complete
control of this PC where I can delete unwanted programs?

Yes, it sees the external modem now and can get online but now there are
other problems.

Have you tried to uninstall the program rather than delete it?

--
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of the President, or that we are to stand by
the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."
Theodore Roosevelt
http://www.bobhatch.com
http://www.tdsrvresort.com

 

[Valorie *~]

Have you tried to uninstall the program rather than delete it?

Yes. There is no uninstaller and it's not listed where programs are removed.
It's an old copy of WindowsMail that wont work since the SysRec. I have no
usable email program on W-7 now.

 

[Steel]

... to delete unwanted programs in W-7 after a System Recovery. Clicking
on Properties (of the program) and security tab, and advanced button and
owner Tab and Edit button.... and user name in "change owner" box...
etc. etc. doen't give permission to delete programs. It still says I
need permission. How is this done after a SysRec? How can I get complete
control of this PC where I can delete unwanted programs?

Yes, it sees the external modem now and can get online but now there are
other problems.

If you are going to the Program Files folder to delete programs, then
you need to take another path and try to uninstall said programs through
the Control Panel. You are not on XP and Win 7 is protecting the Program
Folder, even from the admin. And it's doing the same thing with System32.

Maybe the quick and dirty approach would be to disable UAC and login
with the Hidden Admin Account that has all rights, using this approach
temporarily, the hidden admin information has been given to you in a
link before.

Put 2+2 together and figure it out, because it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to do it.

I have never seen someone with more issues than you have with
computers. It's sad.

 

[Sunny Bard]

I have never seen someone with more issues than you have with computers.

Oh they exist, just be thankful you don't know them in real-life.

 

[Steel]

Oh they exist, just be thankful you don't know them in real-life.

My 90 year old mother is not worst than this when I gave her an XP
machine a few years ago. I was constantly on the phone with her, and the
machine was shipped between us a couple of times. But she was better
than this person at understanding things even at 80 something at the time.

However, I was happy when that laptop rolled over and died. Now she is
on me about her cellular phone when I see her.

 

[Roy Smith]

< "Valorie *~" wrote in message

How can I get complete control of this PC >

Have you seen that old TV ad when the lady says to the navvy 'How can I
get to Carnegie Hall?'.

The guy answers 'Lady, you gotta practice'.

Its the same thing. How do you think all these people on here don't
have any trouble at all and enjoy working the machines? You know who I
mean, the ones you sneer at, calling them geeks and nerds and other
silly names. It really does not take more than a few hours to read a
couple of books. You don't have to remember what is in them, because
when you hit a problem, you will remember that in the book there was
something about it and be able to look it up. You can very rapidly get
known as an expert who people ask instead of asking weak questions
yourself. People who understand that and learn can rapidly increase
their earnings by an order of magnitude.

Not being able to do that arises from being taught by bad teachers who
teach you not much more than you are stupid, parents who sneer at you
(you learned that bit fine), and years of believing that junk and so
getting lazy and wanting only pap feeding.

Something over 20 years ago on the internet, all that would be explained
in a very short reply to you, which would be RTFM which is acronymic for
Read The Manual.

This piece of advice is gold dust.

Amen! It's too bad that computers and software don't come with the
manuals like they used to years ago. I remember spending many a night
sitting in front of the computer with the manual in my lap trying to fix
something that wasn't right. Like once I had bought a printer cable
from Radio Shack and the salesperson assured me that it would work on my
Amiga computer, well it didn't work as well as expected. But instead of
taking it back, I sat down with my manual and multimeter and discovered
that a few wires weren't in the right place. So I rewired it and didn't
have any more problems from it again.

The biggest problem with new PC users today is that they want to be
spoon fed the answers to their problems and don't want to have to go
looking for the answers on their own.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.6
Saturday, November 06, 2010 7:55:05 AM

 

[Bob Henson]

(e-mail address removed) said...

Amen! It's too bad that computers and software don't come with the
manuals like they used to years ago. I remember spending many a night
sitting in front of the computer with the manual in my lap trying to fix
something that wasn't right. Like once I had bought a printer cable
from Radio Shack and the salesperson assured me that it would work on my
Amiga computer, well it didn't work as well as expected. But instead of
taking it back, I sat down with my manual and multimeter and discovered
that a few wires weren't in the right place. So I rewired it and didn't
have any more problems from it again.

The biggest problem with new PC users today is that they want to be
spoon fed the answers to their problems and don't want to have to go
looking for the answers on their own.

There's another school of thought that says a computer and its software
are a commodity like any other and should work fully and exactly as
described when they are first plugged in - and stay that way. What, in
UK Law at least, is deemed as "fit for the purpose intended". The PC
users shouldn't have to go looking for answers at all. We have been
brainwashed by Microsoft and others into thinking that it is perfectly
normal for things to go wrong and need fixing every five minutes.

Can you imagine buying a brand new car and having it break down on the
way home from the showroom, only to be told that you should have set up
all the electronic gubbins under the bonnet/hood yourself before you
tried to use it? Or that they'd sold you the wrong wiring harness, but
you could fix it easily with a manual, some spanners, a soldering iron
and a few hours (or maybe days) work? I'm betting it wouldn't go down
well.

Computers and other electronic equipment have progressed from the days
when you cobbled them together yourself and then got them up and working
for the entertainment value of doing so - a job I've done many times.
Now they are frequently bought by completely non-technical people to do
a job of work. They should do that job "first rattle out of the box" -
and stay that way.

--
Regards,

Bob

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus

 

[Bob I]

Amen! It's too bad that computers and software don't come with the
manuals like they used to years ago. I remember spending many a night
sitting in front of the computer with the manual in my lap trying to fix
something that wasn't right. Like once I had bought a printer cable
from Radio Shack and the salesperson assured me that it would work on my
Amiga computer, well it didn't work as well as expected. But instead of
taking it back, I sat down with my manual and multimeter and discovered
that a few wires weren't in the right place. So I rewired it and didn't
have any more problems from it again.

The biggest problem with new PC users today is that they want to be
spoon fed the answers to their problems and don't want to have to go
looking for the answers on their own.

I believe the phrase was, "I didn't spend $1500 on a computer so I would
have to read some stupid manual!"

 

[Bob I]

(e-mail address removed) said...

There's another school of thought that says a computer and its software
are a commodity like any other and should work fully and exactly as
described when they are first plugged in - and stay that way. What, in
UK Law at least, is deemed as "fit for the purpose intended". The PC
users shouldn't have to go looking for answers at all. We have been
brainwashed by Microsoft and others into thinking that it is perfectly
normal for things to go wrong and need fixing every five minutes.

Can you imagine buying a brand new car and having it break down on the
way home from the showroom, only to be told that you should have set up
all the electronic gubbins under the bonnet/hood yourself before you
tried to use it? Or that they'd sold you the wrong wiring harness, but
you could fix it easily with a manual, some spanners, a soldering iron
and a few hours (or maybe days) work? I'm betting it wouldn't go down
well.

Computers and other electronic equipment have progressed from the days
when you cobbled them together yourself and then got them up and working
for the entertainment value of doing so - a job I've done many times.
Now they are frequently bought by completely non-technical people to do
a job of work. They should do that job "first rattle out of the box" -
and stay that way.

Unless you prevent clueless users from screwing the computer up, that
ain't going to happen.

 

[Bob Henson]

(e-mail address removed) said...

Unless you prevent clueless users from screwing the computer up, that
ain't going to happen.

Very true - but there's nothing you can do about that. To carry on my
car analogy, if the new purchaser drives it into a brick wall at speed,
you certainly can't expect the car to function too well afterwards.

However, you can make sure that the computer is OK when bought, and that
the operating system and programs don't fall over unaided by the user -
and we all know from the complaints in here and elsewhere that it
frequently happens that way.

--
Regards,

Bob

Licentiae, quam stulti libertatem vocabant - Tacitus

 

[Bob I]

(e-mail address removed) said...

Very true - but there's nothing you can do about that. To carry on my
car analogy, if the new purchaser drives it into a brick wall at speed,
you certainly can't expect the car to function too well afterwards.

However, you can make sure that the computer is OK when bought, and that
the operating system and programs don't fall over unaided by the user -
and we all know from the complaints in here and elsewhere that it
frequently happens that way.

Actually "unaided by user" is a VERY infrequent occurrence. There is
hardware failure, and bad updates. Pretty much anything else is
initiated by the user, usually knowingly but not understanding the
purpose or results of the changes they inflicted, or in error by way of
not maintaining security.

 

[Valorie *~]

< "Valorie *~" wrote in message

How can I get complete control of this PC >

Have you seen that old TV ad when the lady says to the navvy 'How can I
get to Carnegie Hall?'.

The guy answers 'Lady, you gotta practice'.

Its the same thing. How do you think all these people on here don't have
any trouble at all and enjoy working the machines? You know who I mean,
the ones you sneer at, calling them geeks and nerds and other silly names.

No one sneers at them unless they have an elitist attitude. One has already
admitted being a MS Engineer. I have no time or money to go back to college
and take up computer engineering. The terms nerds and geeks are not
derogatory as these people make good money are are usually pretty
intelligent.

It

really does not take more than a few hours to read a couple of books. You
don't have to remember what is in them, because when you hit a problem,
you will remember that in the book there was something about it and be
able to look it up. You can very rapidly get known as an expert who
people ask instead of asking weak questions yourself. People who
understand that and learn can rapidly increase their earnings by an order
of magnitude.

Not being able to do that arises from being taught by bad teachers who
teach you not much more than you are stupid, parents who sneer at you (you
learned that bit fine), and years of believing that junk and so getting
lazy and wanting only pap feeding.

I've spent many hours online learning about computers and get Smart
Computing magazine. I never had a fraction of the problems with
W95,W98,W98SE, XP and Vista that I have with W-7. As professionals you know
the work-arounds for all the "primissions" crap (for example) on W-7, we
can't get it to work for us. Even the 2 HP techs couldn't get
"permissions" to work for them so they could remove or delete those
programs. I can't find anything online explaining how to get rid of the
"permissions" crap on the W-7 PC. Even those techs couldn't disable it.
I'm just a housewife who uses my PC at home. You seem to expect everyone
who comes here to have a serious background in MS Operating Systems o rhave
the time and money to reach tech level.

Something over 20 years ago on the internet, all that would be explained
in a very short reply to you, which would be RTFM which is acronymic for
Read The Manual.

This piece of advice is gold dust.

I can see why there are so few women on these PC NGs.

 

[Valorie *~]

The biggest problem with new PC users today is that they want to be
spoon fed the answers to their problems and don't want to have to go
looking for the answers on their own.

Spoon fed? The even bigger problem is the PC makers don't include
information either. Looking online we found almost NOTHING on what to do
when W-7 can't detect an external modem or give permission to remove
unwanted software. I got little help here on either problem. If the pros
here don't know the answer, they tend to insult the person asking the hard
questions. Is this an ego thing?

So where then should us non MS-engineers and MS-techs look for answers?
They're not on the net. They're not in the magazines. The Zoom tech and HP
tech couldn't find the problem/answers. This is spoon feeding?

Not one of you self-proclaimed pros suggested a System Recovery which is
what worked for the modem. Not one of you know what to do when W-7 refuses
permission to remove unwanted software...........

 

[Valorie *~]

(e-mail address removed) said... (brevity snipped)
~~~~~~~~~~~
There's another school of thought that says a computer and its software
are a commodity like any other and should work fully and exactly as
described when they are first plugged in - and stay that way. What, in
UK Law at least, is deemed as "fit for the purpose intended". The PC
users shouldn't have to go looking for answers at all. We have been
brainwashed by Microsoft and others into thinking that it is perfectly
normal for things to go wrong and need fixing every five minutes.

AMEN! Someone has the guts to speak up in a NG full of MS-heads.

Can you imagine buying a brand new car and having it break down on the
way home from the showroom, only to be told that you should have set up
all the electronic gubbins under the bonnet/hood yourself before you
tried to use it? Or that they'd sold you the wrong wiring harness, but
you could fix it easily with a manual, some spanners, a soldering iron
and a few hours (or maybe days) work? I'm betting it wouldn't go down
well.

Computers and other electronic equipment have progressed from the days
when you cobbled them together yourself and then got them up and working
for the entertainment value of doing so - a job I've done many times.
Now they are frequently bought by completely non-technical people to do
a job of work. They should do that job "first rattle out of the box" -
and stay that way.

Thank you so much for speaking up Bob. Few on here would dare say anything
even remotely negative about a MS product. Rather than have the MS OS work
correctly out of the box as it should, they're suggesting the person buy
books, study computers, take computer classes, do extensive searches online,
spend untold hours clicking here and there and in the end insult the person
by trying to make them feel like idiots for being non-technical. All
because the OS has bugs and gliches even the PC mfg can't help with.

 

[Valorie *~]

Unless you prevent clueless users from screwing the computer up, that
ain't going to happen.

Everyone starts somewhere so get off your high and mighty horse. Typical
MS-tech/engineer "blame the victim" excuse for buggy software. Right out
of the box W-7 had problems the HP techs worked on for hours.

 

[Valorie *~]

Actually "unaided by user" is a VERY infrequent occurrence. There is
hardware failure, and bad updates. Pretty much anything else is initiated
by the user, usually knowingly but not understanding the purpose or
results of the changes they inflicted, or in error by way of not
maintaining security.

So you're suggesting the user don't add any software? It makes changes.
That's inevitable. Don't add any files? They make changes also. Don't do
anything but set up the PC and do some surfing and maybe get their email?
After all, anything else will make changes to the PC.

Maintaining security? Do you actually know anyone who doesn't run
anti-virus/spyware/adware software these days? Who doesn't have the firewall
turned on? That would be a rare bird. It seems to me you want to put the
blame on the user for MS software which is well known for it glitches and
bugs. Go online and read any Forum for the problems people are having and
they're not all newbies.

 

[Valorie *~]

BTW, when I get a new car, one of the first things I do is read the
manual, cover to cover. Well, maybe I don't study the fuse box layout in
detail, but I do note where the fuse box is. Cars are pretty complicated
too, nowadays...

And what do you do when the manual doesn't cover a few of the car's problems
and you can't find the answers online, in magazines, and the auto techs
can't even straighten them out? You're protected by the Lemon Law.
Software isn't.

 

[Valorie *~]

I believe the phrase was, "I didn't spend $1500 on a computer so I would
have to read some stupid manual!"

They don't come with manuals anymore. The Idiot and Dummy books aren't even
as good as they once were.

 

[Valorie *~]

If you are going to the Program Files folder to delete programs, then you
need to take another path and try to uninstall said programs through the
Control Panel.

It's not listed there. We got around it by putting a folder on the desktop
called "Cannot Remove" and dragged them into that folder. They'll have to
sit there forever. The HP tech downloaded a Norton tool to get rid of
Norton.

You are not on XP and Win 7 is protecting the Program

Folder, even from the admin. And it's doing the same thing with System32.

I can see W-7 protecting programs that MS added, even if not wanted, but two
of these were added by me.

Maybe the quick and dirty approach would be to disable UAC and login with
the Hidden Admin Account that has all rights, using this approach
temporarily, the hidden admin information has been given to you in a link
before.

Apparenty I found the wrong "hidden admin account" because I still needed
Permission to remove the programs.

Put 2+2 together and figure it out, because it doesn't take a rocket
scientist to do it.

Putting 2 and 2 together must have been a secret to W-7 since I still needed
Permission to remove the programs.

I have never seen someone with more issues than you have with computers.
It's sad.

It is sad that that software like W-7 is installed on people's PCs and they
have no control over ther own computers. It's very sad indeed. I'm glad you
agree.