Browser hijack by babylon/delta


C

cameo

I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8 laptop is
no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab on it also opens
at start time, but with delta-search.com.

I've seen here some prior messaging about this nasty babylon browser
hijacker but nobody mentioned its accomplice, delta. I could not remove
them with the traditional methods because they don't show up in the
Control Panel's uninstall program list and changing the default search
engine in the Option screen doesn't work, either.
I wonder if anybody tried the removal method offered by the babylon.com
web site. I don't trust anything that the makers of such nasty malware
advise. It could just lead to more malware installed.

BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects them.
 
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C

choro

I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8 laptop is
no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab on it also opens
at start time, but with delta-search.com.

I've seen here some prior messaging about this nasty babylon browser
hijacker but nobody mentioned its accomplice, delta. I could not remove
them with the traditional methods because they don't show up in the
Control Panel's uninstall program list and changing the default search
engine in the Option screen doesn't work, either.
I wonder if anybody tried the removal method offered by the babylon.com
web site. I don't trust anything that the makers of such nasty malware
advise. It could just lead to more malware installed.

BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects them.
I know it is possible because I have removed it myself but it was such a
long time ago that I can't remember the details. I can tell you though
that this one's a tough nut to crack. But it CAN be cracked.

Malwarebytes probably doesn't see it as malware. It is a legit program
that you install even if you install it unwittingly. Beware of
installing freebees with such piggy back programs. Always Custom install
any such programs.
 
P

Paul

cameo said:
I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8 laptop is
no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab on it also opens
at start time, but with delta-search.com.

I've seen here some prior messaging about this nasty babylon browser
hijacker but nobody mentioned its accomplice, delta. I could not remove
them with the traditional methods because they don't show up in the
Control Panel's uninstall program list and changing the default search
engine in the Option screen doesn't work, either.
I wonder if anybody tried the removal method offered by the babylon.com
web site. I don't trust anything that the makers of such nasty malware
advise. It could just lead to more malware installed.

BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects them.
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/

There's no list of what is detected in the release notes.

http://general-changelog-team.fr/~xplode/Changelogs/CG_AdwCleaner_EN.txt

The comment text on this page says:

http://general-changelog-team.fr/fr/downloads/viewdownload/20-outils-de-xplode/2-adwcleaner

"Thank you so much ! 5/5!!!

DEATH TO BABYLON & DELTA!"

So I take that as a positive indicator.

Backup first, then give it a try.

Paul
 
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Paul

Paul said:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/

There's no list of what is detected in the release notes.

http://general-changelog-team.fr/~xplode/Changelogs/CG_AdwCleaner_EN.txt

The comment text on this page says:

http://general-changelog-team.fr/fr/downloads/viewdownload/20-outils-de-xplode/2-adwcleaner


"Thank you so much ! 5/5!!!

DEATH TO BABYLON & DELTA!"

So I take that as a positive indicator.

Backup first, then give it a try.

Paul
It's pretty involved looking.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/496417/delta-search-babylon-search-more/page-2

Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\Delta
Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Cori\AppData\Roaming\BabSolution
Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Cori\AppData\Roaming\Babylon
Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Cori\AppData\Roaming\DeltaFolder Deleted : C:\ProgramData\Babylon
...

Paul
 
G

George

cameo said:
I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8
laptop is no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab
on it also opens at start time, but with delta-search.com.

I've seen here some prior messaging about this nasty babylon
browser hijacker but nobody mentioned its accomplice, delta. I
could not remove them with the traditional methods because they
don't show up in the Control Panel's uninstall program list and
changing the default search engine in the Option screen doesn't
work, either.
I wonder if anybody tried the removal method offered by the
babylon.com web site. I don't trust anything that the makers of
such nasty malware advise. It could just lead to more malware
installed.

BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects
them.
I had that same hijacker, and 5 or 6 different methods I tried
would not remove it. Someone then pointed me to Hitman Pro, which
was the only tool that finally got rid of it.

http://download.cnet.com/HitmanPro-...aid=download.hitman pro-e&dlc=n&part=fivemill

Good luck,
George
 
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Mr Pounder

cameo said:
I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8 laptop is
no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab on it also opens at
start time, but with delta-search.com.

I've seen here some prior messaging about this nasty babylon browser
hijacker but nobody mentioned its accomplice, delta. I could not remove
them with the traditional methods because they don't show up in the
Control Panel's uninstall program list and changing the default search
engine in the Option screen doesn't work, either.
I wonder if anybody tried the removal method offered by the babylon.com
web site. I don't trust anything that the makers of such nasty malware
advise. It could just lead to more malware installed.

BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects them.
When all else failed Spybot got rid of Babylon for me.
Dunno about Delta.
 
C

choro

I had that same hijacker, and 5 or 6 different methods I tried
would not remove it. Someone then pointed me to Hitman Pro, which
was the only tool that finally got rid of it.

http://download.cnet.com/HitmanPro-...aid=download.hitman pro-e&dlc=n&part=fivemill

Good luck,
George
Beware of installing cnet downloader to download HitmanPro 3 (32 bit)
malware remover. Haven't tried Hitman myself but by now I am wary of
cNet downloader which will install, by hook or by crook, other piggy
back nasties on your computer. It is all cleverly done to fool you and
when you complain they say but you did agree to install this program.

Some cheek!

cNet certainly ain't what it used to be!

There must be other locations other than cNet where you can downlad
Hitman. Softronic I find much better than cNet for example. Try and see
if they offer HitmanPro.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Beware of installing cnet downloader to download HitmanPro 3 (32 bit)
malware remover. Haven't tried Hitman myself but by now I am wary of
cNet downloader which will install, by hook or by crook, other piggy
back nasties on your computer. It is all cleverly done to fool you and
when you complain they say but you did agree to install this program.

Some cheek!

cNet certainly ain't what it used to be!

There must be other locations other than cNet where you can downlad
Hitman. Softronic I find much better than cNet for example. Try and see
if they offer HitmanPro.
Yes. That's why my two choices are usually:

1. Find the original source site and download from there

2. Failing that, don't bother to download and install the program
 
G

generic name

When all else failed Spybot got rid of Babylon for me.
Dunno about Delta.
You also need to look at the windows "uninstall a program" where cnet
installs 2 programs both of which has "save" in the app as in "continue
to save" or savepro. Uninstall both will pop-up your browser to the
bot's website with a "sorry to see you go" type msg.

Then whether the toolbar is imbedded with the "bing" search & overriding
your internet search method of choice or not, just go to the "add-ons"
to look for plugins or extension that cnet put there; at least that's
what cnet is doing with the Firefox browser.

So, anything gotten from cnet can be considered a trojan, virus or bot.
It may be safer to only get zip files but the hackers at cnet may fake
out even that.
 
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Paul

The said:
MalwareBytes has a removal tool JUST for this infection, here..

http://www.malwareremovals.net/free-download
I see a copy of "XoftSpy SE Anti-Spyware" on that page.
Is that what you're promoting here for the job ?

If I look at the accursed downloader site here, that tool has a
two out of five rating, and a customer of the product, claims
updates have stopped for it. Without updates, it won't stand
a chance against the latest tweaked crapware.

http://download.cnet.com/XoftSpy-SE-Anti-Spyware/3000-8022_4-10492481.html

It's a sad sad world we live in, where to battle a toolbar we
don't want, we use removal tools downloaded from a site that
installs toolbars. The absurdity :) Bottomless toilet.

*******

If I look in Malwarebytes own forum, they're using adwcleaner.
So if they have a custom tool, it is not evident.

http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=125167

And Hitman Pro got a mention here. By someone fighting an infection.

http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=126370

*******

Part of the issue here, is a number of these companies
pretend they're not malware, they're "pure as the driven snow",
"honest businessmen" etc. If a malware removal firm builds a
remover, the "honest businessman" sends a lawyer, yelling
restraint of trade or the like. As a result, we have the
infection classification of PUP or Potentially Unwanted Program,
so that the malware removal company can say "we see that crap,
but their lawyer won't let us remove it".

And the people writing that stuff, that's the game they play,
treading the line of not being a full malware, but hiding
in the shadows as a PUP (and making money from the search
hits).

If it wasn't for lawyers, every malware fighting tool would
remove those. I don't think it is a lack of technical skill,
that prevents removal by the staff writing MBAM.

*******

What I also find interesting, is every time I go searching
for stuff like this, I *never* get any hits for the
big AV companies. It's like they're invisible. At one
time, I used to be able to find technical writeups, that
would describe how some of these things keep infecting
a computer. The search results now, are pretty skimpy.

Paul
 
G

generic name

I see a copy of "XoftSpy SE Anti-Spyware" on that page.
Is that what you're promoting here for the job ?

If I look at the accursed downloader site here, that tool has a
two out of five rating, and a customer of the product, claims
updates have stopped for it. Without updates, it won't stand
a chance against the latest tweaked crapware.

http://download.cnet.com/XoftSpy-SE-Anti-Spyware/3000-8022_4-10492481.html

It's a sad sad world we live in, where to battle a toolbar we
don't want, we use removal tools downloaded from a site that
installs toolbars. The absurdity :) Bottomless toilet.

*******

If I look in Malwarebytes own forum, they're using adwcleaner.
So if they have a custom tool, it is not evident.

http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=125167

And Hitman Pro got a mention here. By someone fighting an infection.

http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=126370

*******

Part of the issue here, is a number of these companies
pretend they're not malware, they're "pure as the driven snow",
"honest businessmen" etc. If a malware removal firm builds a
remover, the "honest businessman" sends a lawyer, yelling
restraint of trade or the like. As a result, we have the
infection classification of PUP or Potentially Unwanted Program,
so that the malware removal company can say "we see that crap,
but their lawyer won't let us remove it".

And the people writing that stuff, that's the game they play,
treading the line of not being a full malware, but hiding
in the shadows as a PUP (and making money from the search
hits).

If it wasn't for lawyers, every malware fighting tool would
remove those. I don't think it is a lack of technical skill,
that prevents removal by the staff writing MBAM.

*******

What I also find interesting, is every time I go searching
for stuff like this, I *never* get any hits for the
big AV companies. It's like they're invisible. At one
time, I used to be able to find technical writeups, that
would describe how some of these things keep infecting
a computer. The search results now, are pretty skimpy.

Paul
Found that for IE, cnet added a folder/files in the c:\program x(6)\
folder with the name of "sweetsm", I think, or sweetIEtoolbar. I was
looking to remove all aspects of a pinball game which demanded my name,
addr, phone & email for activation. "Dream Pinball" which is my speed
at my age.

I do think that when one accept the "agree" of the "eula", it sneakyly
allows the app to install all kinds of debasement to one's computer.
It is likely that it was suggested by lawyers..
 
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George

choro said:
Beware of installing cnet downloader to download HitmanPro 3 (32
bit) malware remover. Haven't tried Hitman myself but by now I
am wary of cNet downloader which will install, by hook or by
crook, other piggy back nasties on your computer. It is all
cleverly done to fool you and when you complain they say but you
did agree to install this program.

Some cheek!

cNet certainly ain't what it used to be!

There must be other locations other than cNet where you can
downlad Hitman. Softronic I find much better than cNet for
example. Try and see if they offer HitmanPro.
To avoid installing unwanted "extras", don't use Express
Installation. Use Custom (or Advanced) Installation and you can
avoid the piggy-backs.
 
B

Bucky Breeder

@earthlink.com :
http://download.cnet.com/HitmanPro-3-32-bit/3028-2239_4-10895604.html?c=S
EM-SEO&s=fivemill&pid=dlcom_sem&aid=download.hitman%20pro-e&dlc=n&part=fi
vemill
Download their downloader??? When did download.com go all superfluous?

Windows 7/8 groups and many are running with 64-bit :

http://www.surfright.nl/en/hitmanpro/


--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and , EVERYBODY SING :

"NSA sees you when you're sleeping;
NSA knows when you're awake;
NSA knows if you've been bad or good;
So, be good for goodness sake!"

"All your phone calls are belong to us!" -- NSA
"YES WE CAN!" -- Obama
 
J

Juan Wei

George has written on 6/18/2013 7:36 AM:
But I believe it's free for the first 15 or 30 days.
You'll have to download it to find that out.
 
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J

John Doe

cameo said:
I've just noticed that the Chrome search engine on my new Win8 laptop is
no longer Google, but search.babylon.com. A second tab on it also opens
at start time, but with delta-search.com.
BTW, the IE also is infected and not even MalwareBytes detects them.
This is a job for having a backup of your Windows drive!
 

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