AVG PC Tuneup. Any good?

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by Allen Drake, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. In message <>, Ken Blake
    <> writes:
    []
    >Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil, and should be avoided
    >like the plague. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
    >dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
    >cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
    >entries doesn't really hurt you.


    No, it's just intellectually unsatisfying. Windows - and software, from
    myriad sources, that runs under it - is extremely complex these days,
    and so much _does_ cause things to "silt up": OK, some _very_
    conscientious (and knowledgeable) people this may not apply to, but most
    of us find that the registry, the hard disc, and the startup (and
    continuously running) parts of a Windows installation do gain lots of
    things we don't understand, and therefore can't easily decide whether to
    remove or not. It's what eventually makes most people buy a new
    computer, I suspect - the fact that their old one has become a lot less
    responsive than when it was new. Sure, a reinstall would cure it, but
    most people are reluctant to do that - not least because they can't
    _remember_ how they set up things just the way they have and like them
    (apart from the speed drop) now.

    I take your points that ...
    >
    >The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    >removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    >it may have.

    []
    .... and ...

    >Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
    >the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
    >benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
    >bargain.


    ; it's just _irritating_ that the unnecessary stuff is there, since we
    know that removing such chaff in the startup and running parts _does_
    speed things up.

    IMO, the registry, as originally conceived (around the time of Windows
    3.11?) as a central repository for lots of settings, was a Good Idea -
    and, while it used human-readable keys etc., remained so; however,
    partly because of copy-protection reasons and partly because of lazy
    programming, it became full of incomprehensible strings of numbers, and
    is now a necessary evil.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    "`I must carry this burden myself!' said Jesus crossly." - Thant Tessman
     
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 1, 2012
    #21
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  2. Allen Drake

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:19:16 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <> wrote:

    > In message <>, Ken Blake
    > <> writes:
    > []
    > >Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil, and should be avoided
    > >like the plague. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
    > >dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
    > >cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    > >cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
    > >entries doesn't really hurt you.

    >
    > No, it's just intellectually unsatisfying. Windows - and software, from
    > myriad sources, that runs under it - is extremely complex these days,
    > and so much _does_ cause things to "silt up": OK, some _very_
    > conscientious (and knowledgeable) people this may not apply to, but most
    > of us find that the registry, the hard disc, and the startup (and
    > continuously running) parts of a Windows installation do gain lots of
    > things we don't understand, and therefore can't easily decide whether to
    > remove or not. It's what eventually makes most people buy a new
    > computer, I suspect - the fact that their old one has become a lot less
    > responsive than when it was new. Sure, a reinstall would cure it, but
    > most people are reluctant to do that - not least because they can't
    > _remember_ how they set up things just the way they have and like them
    > (apart from the speed drop) now.



    You're welcome to that opinion, but I completely disagree that "the
    registry ... of a Windows installation do[es] gain lots of things we
    don't understand" makes Windows "a lot less responsive than when it
    was new."
     
    Ken Blake, Feb 2, 2012
    #22
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  3. Allen Drake

    z Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:45:04 -0500, Workaholic <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:41:33 -0500, Allen Drake <> wrote:
    > >> I would like some opinions on this application and ask if it is just
    > >>another useless registry tool that might end in confusion and trouble.
    > >>I have been using AVG for quite some time now and have had no
    > >>problems so far but they seem to be adding more and more to their
    > >>different versions. This is for a system that gets little use and is
    > >>mostly used offline for CAD applications.
    > >>Thanks.
    > >>AL.

    > >AL I like it. Nice set of utilities.
    > >Yeah, you can get most of this stuff seperately or within Windows...yeah.
    > >John

    >
    > Hi John.
    >
    > I am mostly concerned about the registry cleaner app. I have tried a
    > few and they all claim to get rid of useless entrees so how would one
    > go about doing this from within windows? Is this even something to be
    > concerned about? I like to change my oil on a regular basis so why not
    > my registry? I just think not to many actually know anything about the
    > registry and aren't brave enough to tackle something like this.
    >
    > Al.


    Hi Al.

    I have regularly been using the registry cleaner in CCleaner for several
    months on 2 PCs, and 2 Laptops without any problems. It was recomended
    to me by a tech support person who has been using it for years.

    Nick.
     
    z, Feb 2, 2012
    #23
  4. In message <>, Ken Blake
    <> writes:
    >On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:19:16 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    ><> wrote:

    []
    >> No, it's just intellectually unsatisfying. Windows - and software, from
    >> myriad sources, that runs under it - is extremely complex these days,
    >> and so much _does_ cause things to "silt up": OK, some _very_
    >> conscientious (and knowledgeable) people this may not apply to, but most
    >> of us find that the registry, the hard disc, and the startup (and
    >> continuously running) parts of a Windows installation do gain lots of
    >> things we don't understand, and therefore can't easily decide whether to
    >> remove or not. It's what eventually makes most people buy a new
    >> computer, I suspect - the fact that their old one has become a lot less
    >> responsive than when it was new. Sure, a reinstall would cure it, but
    >> most people are reluctant to do that - not least because they can't
    >> _remember_ how they set up things just the way they have and like them
    >> (apart from the speed drop) now.

    >
    >
    >You're welcome to that opinion, but I completely disagree that "the
    >registry ... of a Windows installation do[es] gain lots of things we
    >don't understand" makes Windows "a lot less responsive than when it
    >was new."


    Ah, the joys of snippage! I didn't say that: I listed several places
    that things silt up, not just the registry.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    What is the world to a man when his wife is a widow? (think about it ...)
     
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 2, 2012
    #24
  5. Allen Drake

    Stan Brown Guest

    On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:49:10 +1100, z wrote:
    >
    > I have regularly been using the registry cleaner in CCleaner for several
    > months on 2 PCs, and 2 Laptops without any problems. It was recomended
    > to me by a tech support person who has been using it for years.


    And here we go again. :-(

    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...
     
    Stan Brown, Feb 2, 2012
    #25
  6. Allen Drake

    choro Guest

    On 01/02/2012 22:51, Allen Drake wrote:
    > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:48:23 -0500, charlie<> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2/1/2012 3:40 AM, Allen Drake wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:45:04 -0500, Workaholic<>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:41:33 -0500, Allen Drake<> wrote:
    >>>>> I would like some opinions on this application and ask if it is just
    >>>>> another useless registry tool that might end in confusion and trouble.
    >>>>> I have been using AVG for quite some time now and have had no
    >>>>> problems so far but they seem to be adding more and more to their
    >>>>> different versions. This is for a system that gets little use and is
    >>>>> mostly used offline for CAD applications.
    >>>>> Thanks.
    >>>>> AL.
    >>>> AL I like it. Nice set of utilities.
    >>>> Yeah, you can get most of this stuff separately or within Windows...yeah.
    >>>> John
    >>>
    >>> Hi John.
    >>>
    >>> I am mostly concerned about the registry cleaner app. I have tried a
    >>> few and they all claim to get rid of useless entrees so how would one
    >>> go about doing this from within windows? Is this even something to be
    >>> concerned about? I like to change my oil on a regular basis so why not
    >>> my registry? I just think not to many actually know anything about the
    >>> registry and aren't brave enough to tackle something like this.
    >>>
    >>> Al.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Registry "cleaning" is something that should be done only when there is
    >> a specific need. General cleaning with almost any of the various
    >> utilities can cause some real and sometimes very subtle problems.
    >> Careful use can be of benefit, and with the backup options active,
    >> somewhat safe. Naturally, if you do something that you really should
    >> not, even that may not prevent serious problems.
    >>
    >> Remember that MS abandoned it's regclean utility some windows versions
    >> ago. There was a reason.

    >
    > I will agree with you here and not take any chances but am very
    > curious about the inner workings. I do remember older versions of
    > windows and some tutorials regarding the registry.


    By all means *take the bull by the horns* so long as you are aware that
    you might get gored in the process!

    Good luck!

    And you might really need it!
    -- choro
     
    choro, Feb 2, 2012
    #26
  7. Allen Drake

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:49:10 +1100, z <> wrote:


    > I have regularly been using the registry cleaner in CCleaner for several
    > months on 2 PCs, and 2 Laptops without any problems. It was recomended
    > to me by a tech support person who has been using it for years.



    I'll repeat what I've said here many times:

    Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
    use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
    problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
    the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
    cleaner and never had a problem with it.

    Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
    the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
    benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
    bargain.
     
    Ken Blake, Feb 2, 2012
    #27
  8. In message <>, Ken Blake
    <> writes:
    []
    >Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
    >the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no


    Indeed: _any_ tampering with the reg. is risky.

    >benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
    >bargain.


    But I'd disagree with _no_ benefit. I _would_ concede that any actual
    benefit, in terms of things like greater processor speed and shorter
    startup time, are in most cases likely to be imperceptibly small - which
    could be described as no _practical_ benefit. Against a real risk.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a
    book. -Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator and writer (106-43 BCE)
     
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Feb 2, 2012
    #28
  9. Allen Drake

    Allen Drake Guest

    On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:00:02 +0000, choro <> wrote:

    >On 01/02/2012 22:51, Allen Drake wrote:
    >> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:48:23 -0500, charlie<> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2/1/2012 3:40 AM, Allen Drake wrote:
    >>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:45:04 -0500, Workaholic<>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:41:33 -0500, Allen Drake<> wrote:
    >>>>>> I would like some opinions on this application and ask if it is just
    >>>>>> another useless registry tool that might end in confusion and trouble.
    >>>>>> I have been using AVG for quite some time now and have had no
    >>>>>> problems so far but they seem to be adding more and more to their
    >>>>>> different versions. This is for a system that gets little use and is
    >>>>>> mostly used offline for CAD applications.
    >>>>>> Thanks.
    >>>>>> AL.
    >>>>> AL I like it. Nice set of utilities.
    >>>>> Yeah, you can get most of this stuff separately or within Windows...yeah.
    >>>>> John
    >>>>
    >>>> Hi John.
    >>>>
    >>>> I am mostly concerned about the registry cleaner app. I have tried a
    >>>> few and they all claim to get rid of useless entrees so how would one
    >>>> go about doing this from within windows? Is this even something to be
    >>>> concerned about? I like to change my oil on a regular basis so why not
    >>>> my registry? I just think not to many actually know anything about the
    >>>> registry and aren't brave enough to tackle something like this.
    >>>>
    >>>> Al.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Registry "cleaning" is something that should be done only when there is
    >>> a specific need. General cleaning with almost any of the various
    >>> utilities can cause some real and sometimes very subtle problems.
    >>> Careful use can be of benefit, and with the backup options active,
    >>> somewhat safe. Naturally, if you do something that you really should
    >>> not, even that may not prevent serious problems.
    >>>
    >>> Remember that MS abandoned it's regclean utility some windows versions
    >>> ago. There was a reason.

    >>
    >> I will agree with you here and not take any chances but am very
    >> curious about the inner workings. I do remember older versions of
    >> windows and some tutorials regarding the registry.

    >
    >By all means *take the bull by the horns* so long as you are aware that
    >you might get gored in the process!
    >
    >Good luck!
    >
    >And you might really need it!
    >-- choro


    I am not 'fraid. What is the worse that could happen? I could have to
    go back to the clone installed in one of my play systems. That means
    changing a cable from one drive to another then do it all over again.
    I have spare systems sitting here collecting dust just calling to me.

    Al.
     
    Allen Drake, Feb 2, 2012
    #29
  10. Allen Drake

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:47:54 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <> wrote:

    > In message <>, Ken Blake
    > <> writes:
    > []
    > >Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
    > >the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no

    >
    > Indeed: _any_ tampering with the reg. is risky.
    >
    > >benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
    > >bargain.

    >
    > But I'd disagree with _no_ benefit. I _would_ concede that any actual
    > benefit, in terms of things like greater processor speed and shorter
    > startup time, are in most cases likely to be imperceptibly small - which
    > could be described as no _practical_ benefit. Against a real risk.



    If you want to say that "no benefit" and an "imperceptibly small"
    benefit (or "no _practical_ benefit") are different enough to talk
    about, OK--I won't argue with you. But as far as I'm concerned, they
    are close enough to the same thing that it's nowhere near worth
    talking about any difference between them.
     
    Ken Blake, Feb 3, 2012
    #30
  11. Allen Drake

    chris dziew

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    Its basically worthless, and it changes a whole lot of things without permission. A free program called advanced system care is much better and easier to use.
     
    chris dziew, Feb 10, 2016
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