A question about 32-bit apps running in 64-bit WIndows 7

[jbresn]

The other limitation is the lack of drivers for one-off and older hardware.
I have a few odds and ends laying around that I can't use with XP 64 of
Windows 7 64. I have a spare machine with XP32 for those things - video
capture devices, a few older webcams, and a couple of bluetooth dongles, to
be precise. None of them work with 64 bit XP or Win7.

Have you tried installing Windows 7 XP Mode and installing them.

JB

 

[Howard]

Have you tried installing Windows 7 XP Mode and installing them.

Windows 7 64bit does not have XP Mode. I have a Canon Lide 80 scanner
for which Canon never provided a Vista driver. And none of the other
drivers floating around on the internet worked. The scanner can be set
up to run in XP Mode in Windows 7 32. In Windows 7 64 it can't install
and there is no XP Mode. -- Howard

 

[Zaidy036]

Windows 7 64bit does not have XP Mode. I have a Canon Lide 80 scanner
for which Canon never provided a Vista driver. And none of the other
drivers floating around on the internet worked. The scanner can be set
up to run in XP Mode in Windows 7 32. In Windows 7 64 it can't install
and there is no XP Mode. -- Howard

This might be some help:
http://www.sevenforums.com/drivers/61060-canoscan-lide-35-windows-7-64bit-
driver.html


Also Google: canon lide 80 64 bit driver

 

[Al Dykes]

Windows 7 64bit does not have XP Mode. I have a Canon Lide 80 scanner
for which Canon never provided a Vista driver. And none of the other
drivers floating around on the internet worked. The scanner can be set
up to run in XP Mode in Windows 7 32. In Windows 7 64 it can't install
and there is no XP Mode. -- Howard

Have you tried a 32 bit virtual machine run in W7/Professional?

There are other VM tools, some free, but you need to have a copy of XP
to install. W7/Pro comes with a copy of XP.

 

[Zootal]

There are other VM tools, some free, but you need to have a copy of XP
to install. W7/Pro comes with a copy of XP.

I have Windows 7 pro - where is the copy of XP that comes with it, how do
you access it?

 

[Zootal]

(e-mail address removed) (Al Dykes) wrote in


I have Windows 7 pro - where is the copy of XP that comes with it, how
do you access it?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

I'm downloading it now - curious to see if it actually includes a licensed
copy of XP...

 

[Zootal]

Don't know much about this, but OP wanted to install 32 and 64 bit on

one box. If it were possible to install 32 bit and 64 bit both on one
machine then I assume you'd be able to run older stuff by booting into
32 bit?

I do exactly that. When you boot to the 32 bit OS, the 64 bit OS is
completely ignored - it is nothing but a bunch of files that have no
meaning, and as far as the 32 bit OS is concerned, it does not exist.

Any running operating system will ignore all other installed operating
systems. As far as it is concerned, they just don't exist.

 

[Zootal]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

I'm downloading it now - curious to see if it actually includes a
licensed copy of XP...

Woah...it even comes with it's own XP 32 bit key. I wonder if everyone gets
the same key? Mine starts with k49h2 and ends with yt64g. Anyone else want
to compare?

 

[Howard]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

I'm downloading it now - curious to see if it actually includes a licensed
copy of XP...

Windows 7 pro does not inlcude a copy of xp. It can be figured to
install an application in "xp mode". This might require an additional
download of software from Microsoft. The software is free and will
run on Ultimate, It is not the virtual pc crap which sets up a
virtual pc running xp within Windows 7.

 

[Zootal]

Woah...it even comes with it's own XP 32 bit key. I wonder if everyone

gets the same key? Mine starts with k49h2 and ends with yt64g. Anyone
else want to compare?

I guess the answer is yes - I found the key plastered all over the
Internet.

 

[Zootal]

Windows 7 pro does not inlcude a copy of xp. It can be figured to
install an application in "xp mode". This might require an additional
download of software from Microsoft. The software is free and will
run on Ultimate, It is not the virtual pc crap which sets up a
virtual pc running xp within Windows 7.

The download includes virtual pc and a copy of XP. At least it thinks it
is XP, and looks like XP and acts like XP. The virtual pc solution seems
to work fairly well, though I think I'll stick with VirtualBox and
Win2000, as I've been running that for a few years, and it works quite
well.

Nice thing about this is you don't need any technical expertise to set it
up and get it to run - for once, Microsoft seems to have done a real nice
job on this and it is very n00b friendly.

 

[LD55ZRA]

Generally yes but if your application is still using the old winhlp32.exe
program for 32 bit machines then you will need to download this from
Microsoft website. Read all about this here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607

Downloads as follows:

For Windows 7
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...EC-E3D9-4228-8844-008E02B32A2C&displaylang=en


For Windows Vista:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...d9-d3f5-4365-8070-334cd175d4bb&displaylang=en

Further info is here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607

hth

 

[jbresn]

Windows 7 64bit does not have XP Mode. I have a Canon Lide 80 scanner
for which Canon never provided a Vista driver. And none of the other
drivers floating around on the internet worked. The scanner can be set
up to run in XP Mode in Windows 7 32. In Windows 7 64 it can't install
and there is no XP Mode. -- Howard

First thing I will say is you have to have Windows 7 Professional or
higher to have XP Mode.

Yes, it is not a standard part of Windows 7, but it is a free download
from MS. Very easy to install and then it will give you a Virtual XP
Mode in Windows 7. I have several old programs installed within the XP
mode that would not run under Windows 7 normally. Nice to have.

JB

 

[paul]

First thing I will say is you have to have Windows 7 Professional or
higher to have XP Mode.

Yes, it is not a standard part of Windows 7, but it is a free download
from MS. Very easy to install and then it will give you a Virtual XP
Mode in Windows 7. I have several old programs installed within the XP
mode that would not run under Windows 7 normally. Nice to have.

JB

The caution here is that Virtual PC (in which you run that
downloadable copy of XP) needs certain circuitry built into the
computer processor. Even though I have a 64-bit Intel processor in my
GatewayOne, it will NOT run Virtual PC. I have opted for Sun's
VirtualBox, which did install on Win7 Professional, and in which I'm
running a legal copy of XP SP3. Great for running the few older
programs I have that won't run well in Win 7.

- Paulsam

 

[Al Dykes]

The caution here is that Virtual PC (in which you run that
downloadable copy of XP) needs certain circuitry built into the
computer processor. Even though I have a 64-bit Intel processor in my
GatewayOne, it will NOT run Virtual PC. I have opted for Sun's
VirtualBox, which did install on Win7 Professional, and in which I'm
running a legal copy of XP SP3. Great for running the few older
programs I have that won't run well in Win 7.

True, Intel made it almost impossible to know if a machine you can't
experiment with can run MS Virtual PC. Here's Intel's offical page on
the topic.

http://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspx

Apparently all AMD CPUs can.

Sony made machines that had compatible CPU but disabled the capability
in the BIOS in the name of blocking root kits. It's been said that for
non-Sony machines, looking in the BIOS screens settings related to
root kit might fix a machine for some people.

 

[Raven]

The caution here is that Virtual PC (in which you run that
downloadable copy of XP) needs certain circuitry built into the
computer processor. Even though I have a 64-bit Intel processor in my
GatewayOne, it will NOT run Virtual PC. I have opted for Sun's
VirtualBox, which did install on Win7 Professional, and in which I'm
running a legal copy of XP SP3. Great for running the few older
programs I have that won't run well in Win 7.

- Paulsam

MS has released a patch that removes the hardware requirement. In total,
there are 3 files to download:

Windows XP mode
Windows Virtual PC
Windows XP mode update - this is the patch. From the download website:
"Enables Windows XP Mode for PCs without Hardware Assisted Virtualization
Technology."

From their FAQ:

"Is hardware virtualization a must-have to run Windows XP Mode?
No. Windows XP Mode can be run on a CPU without hardware virtualization."

 

[undisclosed]

Howard
Please note that you must download and install XP Mode / Virtual P
separately. XP Mode is available at the following link: 'Downloa
Windows XP Mode' (http://bit.ly/d8i7Sb
Jessic
Microsoft Windows Client Tea

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Sony made machines that had compatible CPU but disabled the capability
in the BIOS in the name of blocking root kits. It's been said that for
non-Sony machines, looking in the BIOS screens settings related to
root kit might fix a machine for some people.

That's rich, Sony was the one caught installing rootkits into PCs to
prevent their audio CD's from being ripped.

Yousuf Khan

 

[John]

Howard,
Please note that you must download and install XP Mode / Virtual PC
separately. XP Mode is available at the following link: 'Download
Windows XP Mode' (http://bit.ly/d8i7Sb)
Jessica
Microsoft Windows Client Team

Out of curiosity, is this a complete virtual system emulating XP? Or
sort of a hopped-up "XP compatible" mode extending the XP
compatibility that is already there?

John B.

 

[Tim Slattery]

Out of curiosity, is this a complete virtual system emulating XP? Or
sort of a hopped-up "XP compatible" mode extending the XP
compatibility that is already there?

It's not a compatibility mode. It's a virtual machine running XP.