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Char Jackson

I have been tempted to buy an annual account at individual.net (because
it's cheap) simply because Albasani, E-S, and other freebie servers tend
to go down a bit more than I care for. Not often but they do go down.
It is not a rare event. Considering that I'm not always connected to
their server (you only connect to retrieve or send, not to read what
you've already downloaded) and that there has been a number of times
during just those times of their server being unusable (i.e., they're
down only during those times I'm sampling their service), they do go
down more often than I ever recall when using Giganews (as my ISP's
contracted Usenet provider). Be interesting to know what the uptime (or
how often there is downtime) at the student-managed university-operated
individual.net server.
I had an account at individual.net for nearly 5 years (spanning the
era of the free-to-pay transition and the name change in 2005) and
don't remember a single instance of downtime. That's not to say they
didn't have issues, but like you said above, I only need the system to
work when I'm trying to connect to it. If they have issues in between,
I'd never know or care.
 
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Char Jackson

I get this occasionally when I try to read posts. Why would posts be
no longer available? I tried to find this one in Google but still
nothing.

Al.
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Subject: Re: Changing MB and CPU W7
From: Allen Drake <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:53:59 -0500
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This is a known issue at Easynews, discussed quite a bit lately in the
easynews.support group. They've announced that the issue is resolved
at least twice now, and for me it's much less common than it has been
over the past 2 months or so.

It has nothing to do with your newsreader. There's no need to change
newsreaders or make any config changes or other adjustments. There's
nothing you can do on your end.

Note that the error message states that "this message is no longer
available", when it would be more correct if it said "this message is
not yet available". (It's a standard NNTP error message.)

You should be seeing less of this issue going forward, (since they
claim that it's fixed). If you feel the need to do something, your
only option is to change news providers. As others have said, APN is
simply reselling Easynews, so you're using Easynews.
 
G

G. Morgan

Allen said:
I get this occasionally when I try to read posts. Why would posts be
no longer available? I tried to find this one in Google but still
nothing.
It happens if you received the header from one server and try to get the
body from another.

The message is on E-S servers.
Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:51217

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From: Allen Drake <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general
Subject: Re: Changing MB and CPU W7
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
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<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 117
X-Complaints-To: (e-mail address removed)
Organization: Forte Inc. http://www.forteinc.com/apn/
X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly.
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:53:59 -0500
Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:51217

Maybe they learned something from their experience with me then. They
lost my business for life over the screwing they gave me. Not that they
are going to care. We drug this through the weeds for weeks back when
this was going on. Some were trying to be helpful, others where offering
me insane solutions. Like hire a lawyer and sue MS over the $100.00. I
sent the machine back to Acer twice. Both times I had to pay the
shipping to them, they paid the return. Each time they would on the
phone have me re-install the OS first. This of course worked for 30
days. Then they would give me the RMA to send it back and they obviously
did the same thing. Then sent it back. So in 30 days I would be on the
phone again and they would start in with the, "lets re-install Windows".
After doing this a few times I figured out this was not a solution. It
was easy to see they were going to just snow me until the warranty ran out.
Calling MS got me no where. They blamed it on Acer and told me I had
to have them fix it. Some here told me if I raised hell with MS they
would give me a new Key to fix it. I did not feel like spending my life
on hold to talk to more of their robots. Took the easy way out and just
paid for the new Key and disc. I made it clear to Acer that I would
never buy anything they made again and they said "sorry". So maybe they
have learned something from the experience.
Alex did you get pop-up warnings that you had 30 days and reminders
your time was running out? That is very strange as I have never heard
of that happening but I always build my own and only use OEM OS
reinstalls with the old XP systems I have had for longer then I can
recall. Those I have moved to new builds and modified systems with
little hassle.

I try to stay clear of outlets and outside vendors after finding out
what Best Buys does to their laptops before they sell them.

Al.
 
C

Char Jackson

It happens if you received the header from one server and try to get the
body from another.
At Easynews, the headers are stored on one set of servers and the
bodies are stored on another set of servers. Therefore, your scenario
where the header is on one server and the body on another server is
the norm.

The problem comes up when the header is made available before all of
the 'body' servers actually have the body. Your newsreader retrieves
the header, but the 'body' server that you're connected to doesn't yet
have that body, so you get the "this message is no longer available"
error message. That's why I say that "not yet available" would be a
more descriptive error message, but that's not how it works.
 
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Allen Drake

I get this occasionally when I try to read posts. Why would posts be
no longer available? I tried to find this one in Google but still
nothing.

Al.
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Subject: Re: Changing MB and CPU W7
From: Allen Drake <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:53:59 -0500
Lines: 117

[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]


Message-ID: <[email protected]>

nntp://news60.forteinc.com/alt.windows7.general/65482

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This is a known issue at Easynews, discussed quite a bit lately in the
easynews.support group. They've announced that the issue is resolved
at least twice now, and for me it's much less common than it has been
over the past 2 months or so.

It has nothing to do with your newsreader. There's no need to change
newsreaders or make any config changes or other adjustments. There's
nothing you can do on your end.

Note that the error message states that "this message is no longer
available", when it would be more correct if it said "this message is
not yet available". (It's a standard NNTP error message.)

You should be seeing less of this issue going forward, (since they
claim that it's fixed). If you feel the need to do something, your
only option is to change news providers. As others have said, APN is
simply reselling Easynews, so you're using Easynews.
Well it doesn't seem to me that the message is not available yet as I
already read it seconds after I posted it then it was "no longer
available". I guess I will be moving to another provider.

Thanks.

Al.
 
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Allen Drake

At Easynews, the headers are stored on one set of servers and the
bodies are stored on another set of servers. Therefore, your scenario
where the header is on one server and the body on another server is
the norm.

The problem comes up when the header is made available before all of
the 'body' servers actually have the body. Your newsreader retrieves
the header, but the 'body' server that you're connected to doesn't yet
have that body, so you get the "this message is no longer available"
error message. That's why I say that "not yet available" would be a
more descriptive error message, but that's not how it works.
Like I posted in this thread I had already seen the post and read it.
Then is became marked "no longer available". Only a few of my posts to
one thread on the same day showed up that way.

Al.
 
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G. Morgan

Allen said:
Like I posted in this thread I had already seen the post and read it.
Then is became marked "no longer available". Only a few of my posts to
one thread on the same day showed up that way.
You should probably take this to: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

Its not a Windows issue, the folks at the Forte group are best to ask
methinks.
 
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Allen Drake

If you want to debug what is happening a bit, and are connected
to port 119 on a newsserver (unencrypted), you can use a packet
sniffer like Wireshark and watch what happens when you attempt
to read a posting. The transaction is pretty easy to follow.
It might give you more info to give your NSP (news provider).

Paul
Thanks Paul. I will give it a try.

Al.
 
J

John Morrison

I guess I should shop around or just go with the ones you suggested.
EasyNews is $9.95 a month.

http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/easynews-review.html
Since Fri, 3 Aug 2007, I've used Astraweb because I occasionally want to
download binaries. I was charged $AU12.16 with downloads of 25GB and I
currently still have plenty of download capability left.

Even if Astraweb were close the shop tomorrow it has still been an
excellent selection for me.
 
A

Allen Drake

Since Fri, 3 Aug 2007, I've used Astraweb because I occasionally want to
download binaries. I was charged $AU12.16 with downloads of 25GB and I
currently still have plenty of download capability left.

Even if Astraweb were close the shop tomorrow it has still been an
excellent selection for me.
What kind of binaries would be interesting? I have purchased every
application I could possibly need. My wife buys eBooks and music
daily and I don't really watch videos unless they are educational so I
can't imagine.
 
A

Allen Drake

You should probably take this to: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

Its not a Windows issue, the folks at the Forte group are best to ask
methinks.
Great. thanks. I usually lurk for months before I ever post. I had
lurked for years on these and other groups and never posted to many.
Sometimes you can get all you need without posting what-so-ever.

Al.
 
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Allen Drake

Have you contacted APN regarding their Usenet service? Looks like
they're having database problems. Of course, they only have a web form
to submit inquiries and complaints which probably end up getting
redirected to EasyNews since that's the real Usenet provider.

http://www.forteinc.com/apn/contact.php
No I hadn't but I will now. This is getting to be a daily occurrence
and very annoying.

Thanks for some very enlightening posts.

Al.
 
J

John Morrison

What kind of binaries would be interesting? I have purchased every
application I could possibly need. My wife buys eBooks and music
daily and I don't really watch videos unless they are educational so I
can't imagine.
The majority of the binaries I download nowadays are classical music and
popular music of the 1940's - 1960's, that I haven't already found and
downloaded.
 
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Allen Drake

The majority of the binaries I download nowadays are classical music and
popular music of the 1940's - 1960's, that I haven't already found and
downloaded.
Very interesting. I should learn to get into that myself. The don't
make good music any more.
 
C

Char Jackson

Very interesting. I should learn to get into that myself. The don't
make good music any more.
Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber don't do it for you, huh? ;-)
 
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Alex Clayton

Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber don't do it for you, huh? ;-)
Every time I watch Saturday Night Live I feel like I must really be
getting old. I can't remember the last time they had "music guests" who
I "get". I'm all for people making money if they can get someone to buy
their stuff but, I just don't get it. I well remember people complaining
about "my music" when I was a kid but now days they have radio stations
all over dedicated to playing it still. I doubt there will be a station
30 years from now playing this stuff.
 
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Allen Drake

Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber don't do it for you, huh? ;-)
Justin Gaga and Lady Beaver who is really a shehe? Ya, they are what
this country is all about now-a-days.

Very sad.
 
J

John Morrison

Very interesting. I should learn to get into that myself. The don't
make good music any more.
I'll dodge: "They don't make good music any more." :)

I'm just an old bloke who likes "classical music and old popular music".

The Astraweb 25Gb plan has served me well from Fri, 3 Aug 2007 to now.
Downloading some binaries but mostly text newsgroups.
 
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Allen Drake

I'll dodge: "They don't make good music any more." :)

I'm just an old bloke who likes "classical music and old popular music".

The Astraweb 25Gb plan has served me well from Fri, 3 Aug 2007 to now.
Downloading some binaries but mostly text newsgroups.
Thanks for the correction. Exactly what I meant. I have a very large
collection of CDs that I haven't listened to completely but I like the
idea of adding downloads to my collection. You must have quite a
collection yourself if you have been downloading for all that time.
Does your IPS charge you extra for that plan too?
 
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John Morrison

Thanks for the correction. Exactly what I meant. I have a very large
collection of CDs that I haven't listened to completely but I like the
idea of adding downloads to my collection.
I also have a large collection of CDs. A large advantage I've found
having my own downloaded collection though is that when I feel like
listening to music I can organise a "Playlist" in the likes of Winamp
etc. featuring many different Performers with various musical items.
You must have quite a collection yourself if you have been downloading
for all that time.
I've been downloading binaries off and on since 1992, although I've only
been with Astraweb since 2007.

Currently I have 38.7GB of music which in addition to the already
mentioned, my collection also includes country music & folk music
largely dominated by the likes of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Odetta, Pete &
Mike Seeger, Willie Nelson etc, etc.
Does your IPS charge you extra for that plan too?
Not now I'm on Cable a 30GB Broadband Plan, their cheapest plan.
In the past when on dial-up I had to pay extra for excessive downloads.
 

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