windows live mail will not use ">" for quoting

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charlie

Sollution #3 Stop using Microsoft's product totally?
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"Solution#3" May be best for some. Then, of course, they would have no
reason to post on windows groups. <G>
 
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Ken Blake

I have to ask: how long does it take to look at 200 newsgroups? :)
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About 200 seconds. But of course, if you want to read the messages
within them, it takes much longer.
 
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Ken Blake

The last release was Agent 600-1186 on November 22nd. 2009, so I class
that as out of production.
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Windows 7 was released a month earlier, on October 22, 2009. Do you
classify that as out of production too?
 
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Ken Blake

To me, since every newsreader manages to have some problems I dislike,
I have to just suck it up and use one(s) that I can live with (
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I'm with you entirely. Almost every program (newsreader or any other
type) is not perfect and could be improved by making changes I would
suggest. I pick the ones that come closest to my ideas of perfection.
 
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Char Jackson

I have to ask: how long does it take to look at 200 newsgroups? :)
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That was my initial thought, as well. I subscribe to 27 groups at the
moment, with a handful of those being all but dead, and I STILL spend
far too much time on Usenet. :)
 
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Char Jackson

No one is forcing you to keep updating TB. I have settled on TB 2 as my
OE replacement and see no reason to change. If some later version offers
something I actually want, I'll consider it.
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Agreed, and that's why I still use Agent 2.0 while 6.0 is the current
version.
 
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Roy Smith

The program is like having an Eudora and Agent, all in one.
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Though the most recent version of Eudora is based on Thunderbird, so it
does newsgroups as well now.


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Roy Smith
Windows XP Home
Thunderbird 3.1.10
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:59:44 PM
 
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Roy Smith

I'll just add that many "microsoft.public..." newsgroups are still
available and active on Usenet servers.
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That's just because of the nature of Usenet. Just because one server
shuts down, Microsoft for example, that doesn't mean that those
newsgroups will disappear from other news servers that carried them.


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Roy Smith
Windows XP Home
Thunderbird 3.1.10
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:01:31 PM
 
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Roy Smith

True, but that still doesn't justify Microsoft's approach to
its customers needs.
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Even when Microsoft did have it's own news server it was a very rare
occasion that a Microsoft employee even posted on those newsgroups. The
support came form other users and not from Microsoft.


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Roy Smith
Windows XP Home
Thunderbird 3.1.10
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:04:50 PM
 
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Leon Manfredi

As I remember it, 'Free Agent' was originally just a news reader.
The email client was part of the paid version called 'Agent'. The
freeware version of 'Free Agent' is probably long gone but may be
available somewhere on the net.

Pete
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It's available at Forteinc.com... which ever way you want,
and get a free trial access to boot...
 
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Roy Smith

Hi, Gene and R.C. White.

LOL. I started with Gravity in Year 1992 when it was a paid for
newsreader and when Gravity folded I switched to Agent.

Eudora& Agent are now both out of production but they still work here
OK, so I have no reason to change.
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Sorry but both Eudora and Agent are still alive and kicking. Though
Eudora is now based on Thunderbird instead of using their own code, but
it's still available.


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Roy Smith
Windows XP Home
Thunderbird 3.1.10
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:10:12 PM
 
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Roy Smith

The last release was Agent 600-1186 on November 22nd. 2009, so I class
that as out of production.
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As I see it is how can you improve on perfection? ;-)


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Roy Smith
Windows XP Home
Thunderbird 3.1.10
Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:14:19 PM
 
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Leon Manfredi

I don't think so. Free Agent was a version of Agent with some
capabilities disabled. Both versions contained newsreader and mail
clients. Forte discontinued FreeAgent quite a while ago. If you
download Agent nowadays, you can run the whole package free for 90
days or so, then you have to pay for a license.

FreeAgent is available somewhere, but the latest version is
3.something. Agent is now up to version 6.
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Free Agent was (not sure if still available) a limited version, sans
bells and whistles!
 
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Leon Manfredi

TB has filtering, just not very refined filtering. I don't use it much
anymore. I tried Xnews, with its score files, but it was more trouble
than it was worth. The only group where I run across trolls is this one.
The other groups I visit are either technically oriented and do not
attract the hoi polloi, or they are on private servers (where the trolls
are my friends :).


Probably not, but I like the convenience, and my needs aren't very
sophisticated.
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Or.... he could use Agent as his Newsreader or Tbird for his email
only! SIMPLE.......!
 
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Leon Manfredi

It's vertical lines if you're posting in html. Quotes in text posts
should still have the ">" like this post has.

I'm using TB 5.0b1 (they decided to skip the interval nos.) and it does
things pretty much the way the older versions do for
downloading/reading/sending e-mail or newsgroup messages. Of course
none of the add-ons I used in the past worked with it but was able to
find versions of the 2 most critical ones for me that do. The default
theme's mail toolbar is not the easiest to read.

The biggest change I've noticed is that the add-ons manager is very much
like Firefox 4's (except that it's pretty well empty at this point).

What I'm waiting for: the ability to open the address book(s) in a
tab(s) and the ability to compose in a tab rather than windows.

AW
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I'm waiting for the adding of an address, into an already open send
message pane.... especially difficult when in reply mode...
 
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Nil

Windows 7 was released a month earlier, on October 22, 2009. Do
you classify that as out of production too?
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That's not a good comparison, and I think you know it. There have been
many updates released for Windows 7, and Microsoft continues to mention
it publicly. Can the same be said for Forte and Agent? If they are
continuing to develop the product, they are being very secretive about
it.
 
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Charles Tomaras

Jeff Layman said:
Rubbish. True, it isn't what it used to be, and there are occasional
trolls,but if wonderful support like Microsoft's forums are meant to
replace it we can all give up now. If you think there are just titbits of
useful information to be had in Usenet then it really is time for you to
delete your newsreader.

There are a *lot* of helpful, knowledgeable, people out there (eg ex-MVPs,
geeks, and their like) who can help with many problems. How many times
have you see Usenet postings such as "I went to So-and-So's "Support"
pages but they were no help"? Or "I Googled but there were too many hits"?
I find it quite interesting that many of the Usenet hangers-on are - shall
we say - silver surfers in extremis. They've been there, done that, seen
that problem and know the solution.

I can tell you one thing; you are more likely to find something useful in
Usenet than wasting time with Facebook and Twitter.
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Oh...I'm still here but I see the handwriting on the wall. Dead might be a
premature statement but dying it is! In my main field of interest it's just
about dead. rec.audio.movies.production.sound used to be a lively bunch of
folks. The newsgroup got killed by two or three posters who argued about
everything. Now the majority of the regular posters have moved to a
moderated web forum and there is nothing on Usenet to replace it. The noise
ratio on most of the newsgroups I frequent is becoming too difficult to wade
through, even with a good news server and good filtering practices.
 
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Charles Tomaras

John Smith said:
True, but that still doesn't justify Microsoft's approach to
its customers needs.
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Do you really think that Microsoft or it's customer's best interests and
needs were being served by Usenet? All the anti-MS noise made it nearly
impossible to hear anything.
 
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