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charliec
That was very helpful, thanks a lot!
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Char Jackson
You're welcome. I'm glad it helped.
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Char Jackson
I guess we're just different, then. I'm human. What are you?
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Stan Brown
Neither one is more logical, but alpha by column is conventional.
Look at any telephone directory, or the index of any book (if it has
a multi-column index).
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Char Jackson
You're the second person to bring up a telephone directory, but that's
an apples to oranges comparison. One looks nothing like the other. The
telephone directories that I've seen have all been arranged in columns
of information. Even if a person didn't know that, there are obvious
visual cues to alert you. There may be extra space between the columns
or there may even be a vertical line separating the columns, as two
examples. Now look at the collection of items in Control Panel and
notice that they're arranged in a grid pattern. There are no visual
cues to alert you of the arrangement.
Now, here's where we apparently differ. In the absence of visual cues,
I assume a row layout while certain other people assume a column
layout. It's about as simple as that.
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Jake
How about magazines? Newspapers? Web sites?"Char Jackson" said:
I must be lazy, really, because I found the layout on the control panel
so disturbing to read that I didn't even realize it was sorted across,
then down, until I saw it mentioned here in this ng. I must have
reasoned that if it wasn't sorted by column then row it must not have
been sorted at all.
-J
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Char Jackson
Can you provide an example of any of those things where visual cues
aren't provided? I can't.
Cute
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choro
Oh, stop trying to find excuses. If needed MS could have provided visual
clues too while sticking to convention because convention is the wisdom
of not just centuries but of millennia.
So are you suggesting that you are wiser than all those people who over
the centuries and millennia adopted the top to bottom columnar listing?
Or are you an apologist for MS?--
choro
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Char Jackson
If you or Jake or Stan or whoever can find a relevant example, more
power to you. Until then, it's you who is using excuses.
Are those the only two options?
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choro
NO! There is only ONE logical option and that is top to bottom columnar
listing. PERIOD!
Someone earlier suggested how the whole list could be shown in one
single column but unfortunately that is not practical as the column will
be several monitor heights long. The answer is, as I said above, A-Z top
to bottom and in columns L to R, at least for languages that use the
Latin alphabet. All you have to do is open up a dictionary, the EB or
any other encyclopaedia, etc. You are just being plain obstinate just to
be obstinate. --
choro
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Ken Blake
I think your comment is absurd, and the way you replied to Char is
needlessly rude.
I happen to agree with you that that's the better way to do it, but
saying that nobody else can have a different opinion is simply
ridiculous.
I don't agree that it's not practical. I don't think it would be my
first choice, but I don't think it's a bad choice. It would be easy to
scroll down to see the rest of the list.
And by the way, it does *not* have to be "several monitor heights
long." I am set so that when I click the Start Orb, then choose
Control Panel, the entire list of Control Panel applets is shown
without actually opening the Control Panel. And with the font used, it
all fits on a single screen.
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Individual News
choro pretended :
their menus. If you look just at the control panel it is easy to see
different ways of doing it. In the category view there is no
alphabetics scheme to is at all. When I looked at the icon listing it
was, for me, very easy to see how it was organized. As I said thought
that is me, obviously not everyone will see things the same. As for
agreeing or not agreeing with how MS displays listings is fine. Just
looking in this NG there are a lot of us that don't agree with each
other so why do you think it is necessary that MS would agree with you?
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No need to be insulting about it regardless of how MS chooses to makes
their menus. If you look just at the control panel it is easy to see
different ways of doing it. In the category view there is no
alphabetics scheme to is at all. When I looked at the icon listing it
was, for me, very easy to see how it was organized. As I said thought
that is me, obviously not everyone will see things the same. As for
agreeing or not agreeing with how MS displays listings is fine. Just
looking in this NG there are a lot of us that don't agree with each
other so why do you think it is necessary that MS would agree with you?
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Zaidy036
On 9/27/2012 10:57 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:
I use the "Plus" version and set up a goto tab with links to folders.
This results in a clickable vertical sorted alphabetic list of the type
you want and then you can enter a particular folder or sub-folder. If
you actually select a folder you will get a normal Win-Expl view.
Another thought: Install "ObjectDock" (Google for it)
I use the "Plus" version and set up a goto tab with links to folders.
This results in a clickable vertical sorted alphabetic list of the type
you want and then you can enter a particular folder or sub-folder. If
you actually select a folder you will get a normal Win-Expl view.
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Stan Brown
[about the convention of scanning columns one at a time in
dictionaries, telephone books, etc.; and reading columns one at a
time in books printed in columns]
dictionaries, telephone books, etc.; and reading columns one at a
time in books printed in columns]
That's it, Char. Everybody is out of step but you.
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choro
But of course, everybody is out of step. ;-)[about the convention of scanning columns one at a time in
dictionaries, telephone books, etc.; and reading columns one at a
time in books printed in columns]That's it, Char. Everybody is out of step but you.
-- choro
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Char Jackson
You sound a bit unstable...
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Char Jackson
It wouldn't be the first time.[about the convention of scanning columns one at a time in
dictionaries, telephone books, etc.; and reading columns one at a
time in books printed in columns]That's it, Char. Everybody is out of step but you.
Actually, I've only been speaking for myself, so it's not a matter of
anyone being out of step. For me, it makes more sense to arrange the
items in rows. My brain wants to look across before it wants to scan
down, but that's just me.
Ken brought up a good point, too, when he mentioned accessing the
Control Panel items directly from the flyout menu on the Start menu.
That's actually how I access what I need in CP. I almost never open
the whole Control Panel. Like Ken said, hovering over the Control
Panel menu entry causes it to expand into a single alpha sorted list
that fits on one screen, making it easy to find what you're looking
for.
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Jake
The visual cue *is* the column for me. Most info presented in a grid is"Char Jackson" said:
sorted primarily by one of the columns. I am used to skimming a column,
whichever I choose, visually from top to bottom. The CP looks like a
grid to me. Probably all those years of staring at SQL query results.
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Zaidy036
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Gene E. Bloch
Except for those of us who disabled that feature.
I prefer the Control Panel icon to open the Control Panel. No reason,
just individual taste. Also, my flyout menu is a bit taller than my
screen anyway.