Virtual or Local FTP Site


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OldGuy

OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know
little about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as
I understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for
all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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Paul

OldGuy said:
OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know
little about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as I
understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA
We're talking LAN, right ?

router/switch
192.168.1.3 / \ 192.168.1.4
computer #1 ---- +---- computer #2
commercial app Programs and Features, Windows Features
FTP protocol IIS install for HTTP and FTP

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...2225633-host-website-iis7-5-control-panel.png

See "Turn Windows Features on or off" in that image.

The fourth item down, is IIS. IIS should include HTTP and FTP as protocols.
And is a bitch to configure. Not like on a Macintosh, where with virtually
one tick box, you're running an old-fashioned FTPD. On the Mac, you'd still
need to worry about account details, so it could still behave badly. But at
least the setup is one tickbox away (on my older Mac, probably not
nearly as easy on a modern Mac).

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...5646-host-website-iis7-5-windows-features.png

The IIS Manager, has a bunch of options for FTP. Good luck.
I don't know what's in this one, but previous experience
says "some hair loss will occur".

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/26717d1252226094-host-website-iis7-5-iis-opened.png

*******

I don't see the point of FTPing the data, except as a performance move.
It's not a particularly secure protocol. And should not be exposed
to the Internet (go out WAN port) as such. FTP servers have been tipped over
too many times, to have gained any trust.

Perhaps you could explain, how this is better than any other options.

Are you writing this application yourself ? Or using some
carefully crafted third-party application ? I'm surprised
FTP is even an option, as most modern developers would turn up
their nose at such a protocol. They would at least want
SFTP, or something stronger (and even more trouble to set up).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol

I use FTP here, when I want to move data around at about
100MB/sec over my GbE LAN. Otherwise, not so much. The
last time I used a file share, it ran at the glorious
speed of 13MB/sec, which is why I bother with FTP for
big jobs. FTP over GbE, can be faster than my USB2 disk drive
(30MB/sec).

Paul
 
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OldGuy

It happens that Paul formulated :
We're talking LAN, right ?

router/switch
192.168.1.3 / \ 192.168.1.4
computer #1 ---- +---- computer #2
commercial app Programs and Features,
Windows Features
FTP protocol IIS install for HTTP and FTP

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...2225633-host-website-iis7-5-control-panel.png

See "Turn Windows Features on or off" in that image.

The fourth item down, is IIS. IIS should include HTTP and FTP as protocols.
And is a bitch to configure. Not like on a Macintosh, where with virtually
one tick box, you're running an old-fashioned FTPD. On the Mac, you'd still
need to worry about account details, so it could still behave badly. But at
least the setup is one tickbox away (on my older Mac, probably not
nearly as easy on a modern Mac).

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...5646-host-website-iis7-5-windows-features.png

The IIS Manager, has a bunch of options for FTP. Good luck.
I don't know what's in this one, but previous experience
says "some hair loss will occur".

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/26717d1252226094-host-website-iis7-5-iis-opened.png

*******

I don't see the point of FTPing the data, except as a performance move.
It's not a particularly secure protocol. And should not be exposed
to the Internet (go out WAN port) as such. FTP servers have been tipped over
too many times, to have gained any trust.

Perhaps you could explain, how this is better than any other options.

Are you writing this application yourself ? Or using some
carefully crafted third-party application ? I'm surprised
FTP is even an option, as most modern developers would turn up
their nose at such a protocol. They would at least want
SFTP, or something stronger (and even more trouble to set up).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol

I use FTP here, when I want to move data around at about
100MB/sec over my GbE LAN. Otherwise, not so much. The
last time I used a file share, it ran at the glorious
speed of 13MB/sec, which is why I bother with FTP for
big jobs. FTP over GbE, can be faster than my USB2 disk drive
(30MB/sec).

Paul
Trying to understand what you wrote. TIA

The FTP source is a hardware device that sends data via:
eMail -too much data to flood the eMail account
FTP -perfect solution since it is LOCAL and I have lotsa TBs
Internal SD -have to go to the device to maintain: erase, copy.
and is relatively expensive to add large SD. (can take
32G SD).

So FTP is my best choice.

I found FileZilla but I do not know if that is any good or how to set
it up.
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
It happens that Paul formulated :

Trying to understand what you wrote. TIA

The FTP source is a hardware device that sends data via:
eMail -too much data to flood the eMail account
FTP -perfect solution since it is LOCAL and I have lotsa TBs
Internal SD -have to go to the device to maintain: erase, copy.
and is relatively expensive to add large SD. (can take
32G SD).

So FTP is my best choice.

I found FileZilla but I do not know if that is any good or how to set it
up.
That sounds great. You'd want the "Server" to be set up on the
computer with the terabytes of disks. The "Client" is the IP
security camera or other piece of hardware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filezilla

And the part I like best :)

"From version 3 onwards, FileZilla stores all saved
usernames and passwords as plain text files. This allows any
malware that has gained even limited access to the user's
system to simply read the data stored in these files and to
remotely transfer this data to the attacker. Potentially handing
over control of websites and servers used for further spreading
malware and creating powerful botnets. FileZilla's author
responded to such criticism saying "If your system is secure,
you can use nuclear missile launch codes as desktop background."
"

Roughly translated, the use of a third-party FTP server, instead of IIS FTP,
is the third-party tool can try to bypass normal permissions. And a text
file with username/password sounds like that flavor of bypassing.
That makes it easy to set up, and was the flavor of FTP I used
to use, with my older (MacOS) Macintosh. It made setup
real quick, and success assured (in terms of getting the
file transfer running, not any security aspect).

This is *not* the way to run an FTP server, for public usage.
But for a quick transfer over a LAN as a temporary setup, can be a timesaver.
It beats one experiment after another, trying to convince IIS FTPD
to allow a client to connect.

In terms of the server software, you only want one of them
running at a time. Either install the IIS or install Filezilla,
but don't try to run both at once. At least, without
doing something about the port usage (FTP uses some well-known
port numbers).

*******

If this is an IP camera, you also want to keep up with the latest
news on them. Just another modern disaster waiting to happen.

http://www.networkworld.com/communi...-still-provide-real-time-peeping-tom-paradise

Paul
 
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Jaypie

"OldGuy" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
[email protected]

It happens that Paul formulated :[Snipped]

FileZilla client and FileZilla server are two good programs
to help you do what you want.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know
little about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as
I understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for
all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA

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I am not very knowledgeable here, so I can't give specifics.

What you need to do, if I understand you correctly, is to set up an FTP
server on the destination computer. A "server" is software that provides
some capability to a system. In this case the server would receive and
handle the FTP commands from the client (the computer that is served, if
you will).

Google a bit for FTP Server, or FTP Server Windows. You might learn
enough, or you might at least get some ideas of how to ask further
questions.

Or some of the netizens here might give you a more useful answer than
mine. We can only hope.

Just as I was about to press "send", I recalled that some NAS boxes,
that is Network Attached Storage boxes, have FTP built in. An NAS is a
hard disk with some networking capability built into its enclosure. They
aren't cheap, and what you already have probably can be made to server
your needs for free.
 
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pjp

OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know
little about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as
I understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for
all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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Assuming I understand you correctly, what you want should be simple to
do.

Have an FTP server run on the pc you want to save the data to, either
the XP or Win7 box should be fine. Pretty sure there's even simple free
FTP servers available for this. Setup the server for a username and
password account and insure it has create/write privileges, where it
saves files etc.

On the pc running the software that's creating the data just point it at
the pc running the server, e.g. as it's all inhouse the IP address will
be in the 192.168.x.x range. Note you can likely have both server and
client running on same pc.

Should be simple enough, did it once years ago now myself using Xitami
for the FTP server even though it's more a web page server.
 
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Zaidy036

OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know
little about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as I
understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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1. You are on your own network
2. I assume that your files are already password protected.
3. Why FTP when you can just copy and retain the security you already use?
 
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Paul

Zaidy036 said:
1. You are on your own network
2. I assume that your files are already password protected.
3. Why FTP when you can just copy and retain the security you already use?
The file source is something like an IP camera running FTP.
So it's not a second Windows PC, after all.

router/switch
192.168.1.3 / \ 192.168.1.4
IP camera ??? ---- +---- computer #2
Protocol set Programs and Features, Windows Features
FTP + HTTP stream IIS install for HTTP and FTP, or try
+ ... Filezilla Server.

Paul
 
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Stan Brown

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as
I understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.
It wouldn't necessarily have to be a Web site. ftp is a different
(and older) protocol from http.
The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
Good on you for trying to give all information that might be
relevant. I've stripped your query down to its essentials, because I
have a simple answer:

Filezilla has both free ftp client software and free ftp server
software: https://filezilla-project.org/

You could probably even set them up on the same machine.

Disclaimer: I'm a happy user of the client, but I've never had
occasion to try the server.
 
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Stan Brown

The fourth item down, is IIS. IIS should include HTTP and FTP as protocols.
I would strongly urge against IIS. I've never tried using it for
ftp, but it's a nightmare for configuring http Web servers (as you
implied).

For http, Apache is a good, free solution and happens to match what a
huge number of Web sites are running. But the OP doesn't need a Web
server, so either of those would be overkill. (Come to think of it,
I can't remember whether Apache can do ftp. But in any case I've
already recommended Filezilla.)
 
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OldGuy

OldGuy was thinking very hard :
OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know little
about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as I
understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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Not liking FileZilla so far.

1) I has to have the Internet connected to install. Why? I only want
to use this on my LAN.

2) I wants to download commercial trials. I do not want!

3) I now says it is downloading the app. What? What were all those
bytes I downloaded? I have never seen this type of freeware as open
source go through all these gyrations. Seems very disconcerting.

Free Open Source is trying to make quick cash off me.
So I guess I need to download the source and modify it. lol.
Wish I could make the mods.

Now to try to configure it. We'll see. Or maybe uninstall it.



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OldGuy

After serious thinking OldGuy wrote :
OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know little
about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as I
understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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!!! WOW !!!
FileZilla does not allow anyone with a gmail account to access their
forum. Try it and see what nonsense they espouse.

I am not setting up an eMail account elsewhere just to satisfy those
idiots!

Most sites just eMail you and ask for a response back. Not the
FileZilla forum. H3|| with them!



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Jaypie

"OldGuy" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
[email protected]

OldGuy was thinking very hard :
OK, I am going to try hard to make this understandable since I know little
about what I am talking about.

I have a commercial application that will send data to an FTP site.
It has set up for Username and Password and address.

The FTP site would be an FTP site that I create somewhere out there as I
understand it. I would have to have a WebSite of my own. I do not.

The data to be sent is confidential so I want to use the Username and
Password feature of an FTP site.

But, I do not want the FTP site to be remote.
I want the FTP site to be on my LAN.
The commercial app runs on a PC on this LAN.

I have on my LAN the following that might be a potential FTP site, the
"virtual" one.
Win 7 Pro PC
Win XP Pro PC
Buffalo NAS 1TB with USB capable connection
AMPED R20000G Router with USB capable connection.

How do I set up a "local" FTP site that the commercial app can address?

If it can be done on any of the LAN devices I would like to know for all.

I do not know terminology so help me out there.

TIA



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Not liking FileZilla so far.

1) I has to have the Internet connected to install. Why? I only want
to use this on my LAN.

If you use 127.0.0.1 as " Server address ", as shown here, you will not have
to connect to Internet :
http://www.addictivetips.com/window...tp-server-using-filezilla-step-by-step-guide/
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
After serious thinking OldGuy wrote :
!!! WOW !!!
FileZilla does not allow anyone with a gmail account to access their
forum. Try it and see what nonsense they espouse.

I am not setting up an eMail account elsewhere just to satisfy those
idiots!

Most sites just eMail you and ask for a response back. Not the
FileZilla forum. H3|| with them!
Did you get your FileZilla Server from the official site ?
The actual download comes from Sourceforge. There is a green
button on this page. 1,620,836 bytes .

https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server

Paul
 
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Paul

Paul said:
Did you get your FileZilla Server from the official site ?
The actual download comes from Sourceforge. There is a green
button on this page. 1,620,836 bytes .

https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server

Paul
Quick test in a VM, so far, no problems. No toolbars or
other bizarre activity. Set the server to start manually.
Don't forget to start the server from your Program menu,
before attempting to use the admin interface (that is what
happens when you don't select the Automatic option). By default,
the admin interface doesn't have a password, which is suitable
for local editing (127.0.0.1). If you wanted to log into
Filezilla from McDonalds, then you'd need to define a password
for that. (A high security password, with punctuation in it.)

I haven't finished configuring mine yet, but I just don't
see a problem yet.

Always download from a reputable source. Sourceforge is
reputable, but always verify the download URL in your download
interface on the browser. One piece of code I downloaded, didn't
actually come from Sourceforge. So the clever bastards set up a
link to make it look like Sourceforge was the source. But my
browser logged where it really came from. If Sourceforge
is not the actual source, then it hasn't been scanned for malware etc.

Good luck,
Paul
 
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Paul

I haven't finished configuring mine yet, but I just don't
see a problem yet.
The configuration wasn't hard to do, and the FTP test completed OK.

Paul
 

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