Taking control..........


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R. H. Breener

Since the folder was not backed up by the external HD, I no longer have the
information on how to get rid of all the permissions and take control crap
in W-7. How is this done? Running the bar down just gets rid of the
popups and since the W-7 updates last night, I can no longer use the
Unlocker and or get more than one email account to work in WindowsMail.
Should I uninstall the 114 W-updates so I can again have even some control
of my PC? If I can shut all the unwanted MS safety permission crap, I'll
have to either reinstall the OS again or try and get rid of all the updates
causing the problems I'm now having with Unlocker and WindowsMail. Would
doing a system restore get rid of the W-updates?
 
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ASCII

R. H. Breener said:
Since the folder was not backed up by the external HD, I no longer have the
information on how to get rid of all the permissions and take control crap
in W-7. How is this done? Running the bar down just gets rid of the
popups and since the W-7 updates last night, I can no longer use the
Unlocker and or get more than one email account to work in WindowsMail.
Should I uninstall the 114 W-updates so I can again have even some control
of my PC? If I can shut all the unwanted MS safety permission crap, I'll
have to either reinstall the OS again or try and get rid of all the updates
causing the problems I'm now having with Unlocker and WindowsMail. Would
doing a system restore get rid of the W-updates?
Not sure if this would help - http://www.miklsoft.com/attrman/
Maybe would enable unlocker to function?
 
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ASCII

R. H. Breener said:
Since the folder was not backed up by the external HD, I no longer have the
information on how to get rid of all the permissions and take control crap
in W-7. How is this done?
Not sure if this would help - http://www.miklsoft.com/attrman/
Maybe would enable unlocker to function?
 
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Big Steel

Since the folder was not backed up by the external HD, I no longer have
the information on how to get rid of all the permissions and take
control crap in W-7. How is this done?
What do you mean? Sure you can take control of Win 7 if you know how to
get the control back.
Running the bar down just gets
rid of the popups and since the W-7 updates last night, I can no longer
use the Unlocker and or get more than one email account to work in
WindowsMail.
Have you tried using the hidden admin account that has all the power
that your user admin account Win 7 gives you doesn't have.
Should I uninstall the 114 W-updates so I can again have
even some control of my PC? If I can shut all the unwanted MS safety
permission crap, I'll have to either reinstall the OS again or try and
get rid of all the updates causing the problems I'm now having with
Unlocker and WindowsMail. Would doing a system restore get rid of the
W-updates?

I would say leave the updates in place and unhide the hidden admin
account, login in with it and see if you can set things so that you have
the control when using your other admin account.

<http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...idden-administrator-account-on-windows-vista/>
 
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Char Jackson

Since the folder was not backed up by the external HD, I no longer have the
information on how to get rid of all the permissions and take control crap
in W-7. How is this done?
Why is it always the people who are least qualified to make system
changes who end up asking questions like this?
Running the bar down just gets rid of the
popups and since the W-7 updates last night, I can no longer use the
Unlocker and or get more than one email account to work in WindowsMail.
Should I uninstall the 114 W-updates so I can again have even some control
of my PC? If I can shut all the unwanted MS safety permission crap, I'll
have to either reinstall the OS again or try and get rid of all the updates
causing the problems I'm now having with Unlocker and WindowsMail. Would
doing a system restore get rid of the W-updates?
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just use a supported email client? You
really don't need to do any of the things you're asking about.
 
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R. H. Breener

ASCII said:
Not sure if this would help - http://www.miklsoft.com/attrman/
Maybe would enable unlocker to function?
I don't see a relationship between the two, but thanks. I had the
information on how to get rid of all the permission and other nonsense when
trying to delete, change or add something to a folder, but lost it. It
stopped all the "you don't have permission" aggravation. It made W-7 like
XP in that respect.
 
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R. H. Breener

Big Steel said:
What do you mean? Sure you can take control of Win 7 if you know how to
get the control back.


Have you tried using the hidden admin account that has all the power that
your user admin account Win 7 gives you doesn't have.

I would say leave the updates in place and unhide the hidden admin
account, login in with it and see if you can set things so that you have
the control when using your other admin account.

<http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...idden-administrator-account-on-windows-vista/>
Will changes made there effect the account I'm using now, or do I have to
move all my software to that account and close this one?
 
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R. H. Breener

Char Jackson said:
Why is it always the people who are least qualified to make system
changes who end up asking questions like this?


Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just use a supported email client? You
really don't need to do any of the things you're asking about.
It's not just the email account I'm concerned about. I don't want to be
bothered with all this permission, gaining control aggravation. I'm not the
only one who finds it more than irritating. All that BS should be an option
for the buyer, not a default for those who buy PCs with W-7. :^)

 
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Big Steel

Will changes made there effect the account I'm using now, or do I have
to move all my software to that account and close this one?
All changes made by the hidden admin account are global and accepted by
all other user accounts on the machine. You should never surf the
Internet with the hidden admin account or do anything else with it,
other than circumvent and set things that your out of the box admin
account Win 7 gives you cannot do. Once you are done with the hidden
admin account, then disable it or keep it active but don't login with it
on a routine basis. You should go back to your other account.

When setting permission with the hidden admin account, point to your
account, set permissions for your account to have them take affect for
your account.
 
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R.H. Breener

Big Steel said:
All changes made by the hidden admin account are global and accepted by
all other user accounts on the machine. You should never surf the Internet
with the hidden admin account or do anything else with it, other than
circumvent and set things that your out of the box admin account Win 7
gives you cannot do. Once you are done with the hidden admin account, then
disable it or keep it active but don't login with it on a routine basis.
You should go back to your other account.

When setting permission with the hidden admin account, point to your
account, set permissions for your account to have them take affect for
your account.
Thanks. Will do. :^)
 
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R.H. Breener

Big Steel said:
All changes made by the hidden admin account are global and accepted by
all other user accounts on the machine. You should never surf the Internet
with the hidden admin account or do anything else with it, other than
circumvent and set things that your out of the box admin account Win 7
gives you cannot do. Once you are done with the hidden admin account, then
disable it or keep it active but don't login with it on a routine basis.
You should go back to your other account.

When setting permission with the hidden admin account, point to your
account, set permissions for your account to have them take affect for
your account.
I don't see anywhere that can be done from the new Administrator Account. I
can see my regular account in Manage Accounts, but there is no way to give
it permissions for anything.

How do I give my regular account permissions from the new Admin Account?
How is the other account "pointed to?" All I can do is change the picture,
create a password, delete the account etc. Nothing about giving permission
for anything.
 
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Big Steel

I don't see anywhere that can be done from the new Administrator
Account. I can see my regular account in Manage Accounts, but there is
no way to give it permissions for anything.

How do I give my regular account permissions from the new Admin Account?
How is the other account "pointed to?" All I can do is change the
picture, create a password, delete the account etc. Nothing about giving
permission for anything.
Do you know how to use NTFS on Win 7? That's where you would set
permissions for your account using the hidden admin account. You simply
would be logged into the machine with the hidden admin account and go to
NTFS and point to your account when setting the permissions. UAC or NTFS
may stop your account from doing things like setting its own
permissions, whereas, the hidden admin account has all rights to do
anything, if using the hidden admin account when pointing to other
accounts.

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<http://www.blogsdna.com/2159/how-to...sions-to-access-files-folder-in-windows-7.htm>

If UAC is prompting you for permissions with your admin account, then it
is what it is, and you are going to be prompted. You can always disable
UAC, but I don't recommend it.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

Why is it always the people who are least qualified to make system
changes who end up asking questions like this?
+1

And for some reason, are incapable of using <insert your favorite
search engine here> to find out how on their own, need overly detailed
instructions, get them wrong, need to be spoon-fed and have their hands
held to finally get it done, vanish without acknowledging the help,
reappear later having completely buggered things up and expect to get
even more help to fix their bungling.
 
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Dave-UK

Zaphod Beeblebrox said:
+1

And for some reason, are incapable of using <insert your favorite
search engine here> to find out how on their own, need overly detailed
instructions, get them wrong, need to be spoon-fed and have their hands
held to finally get it done, vanish without acknowledging the help,
reappear later having completely buggered things up and expect to get
even more help to fix their bungling.
The last time R.H. Breener posted here some time ago, I thought it might
be that classic troll Valorie under a new name.
 
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Gordonbp

I don't want to be bothered with all this permission, gaining control aggravation.
That attitude is one of the reasons the Windows world is awash with
viruses, malware and trojans.
It's no co-incidence that far more secure operating systems use a
"control" scenario all the time.
 
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Gordonbp

+1

And for some reason, are incapable of using <insert your favorite
search engine here> to find out how on their own, need overly detailed
instructions, get them wrong, need to be spoon-fed and have their hands
held to finally get it done, vanish without acknowledging the help,
reappear later having completely buggered things up and expect to get
even more help to fix their bungling.
+10!
 
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R. H. Breener

Big Steel said:
Do you know how to use NTFS on Win 7? That's where you would set
permissions for your account using the hidden admin account. You simply
would be logged into the machine with the hidden admin account and go to
NTFS and point to your account when setting the permissions. UAC or NTFS
may stop your account from doing things like setting its own permissions,
whereas, the hidden admin account has all rights to do anything, if using
the hidden admin account when pointing to other accounts.
I know it's a type of file system., that's all.
I followed this but wont know if it worked until I try to delete a folder of
my unwanted work, or move something to another folder. I'm still setting
the PC up and installing my needed software so have have not had much time
to keep digging into this.
If UAC is prompting you for permissions with your admin account, then it
is what it is, and you are going to be prompted. You can always disable
UAC, but I don't recommend it.
Why not? No one uses the PC but me. The worst that can happen is I have to
do a System Recovery or System Restore. I had it turned off for months but
lost that information when W-7 failed to boot.
 
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R. H. Breener

Gordonbp said:
That attitude is one of the reasons the Windows world is awash with
viruses, malware and trojans.
It's no co-incidence that far more secure operating systems use a
"control" scenario all the time.
Right, even with all the permission, gaining control aggravation, access
denied crap, it's *STILL* awash with viruses, malware and Trojans if you
don't have a Firewall and good Anti-Virus protection. IN fact, sometimes
it's still awash with viruses, malware and Trojans when people do.
 

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