Restauration point


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J. P. Gilliver (John)

Varouj said:
s|b a présenté l'énoncé suivant : []
Forget about System Restore. It's crap anyway. Use Macrium Reflect Free
to create an image of your drive.
[]
Thank you for the info. I'll try it. But I wanted to do a quick restore
point just because I downloaded a driver and in case something goes
wrong I wanted to be able to go back to the previous state.
Using a whole disk backup seems too much work !
Yes, (some of) the advocates of Macrium and its like don't seem to
accept the half-way house aspects of alternatives.

I use ERUNT (see http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/);
not a substitute for a full backup, but a lot quicker, and an
alternative to System Restore. (Its predecessor - ERU/ERD - got me out
of trouble more than once in Windows '9x days. It was actually part of
Windows - or, at least, on the Windows CD - in those days; now Lars has
had to create it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Hofstadter's Law:
It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take Hofstadter's Law
into
account.
 
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s|b

I agree that Macrium Reflect is the bomb, but how's it going to help the OP?
With Macrium he doesn't need System Restore, which is crap anyway.
He's just going to make an image of a system that already has a problem.
Kinda shutting the barn door after the horse gets out.
True, it doesn't 'solve' the problem with creating a restore point, but
it offers him a - imho - better alternative.
 
K

Ken Blake

I use ERUNT (see http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/);
not a substitute for a full backup, but a lot quicker, and an
alternative to System Restore.

I use ERUNT, a full backup, *and* System Restore. As far as I'm
concerned, good as it is, ERUNT is not a substitute for System
Restore, because System Restore backs up some things that ERUNT
doesn't.
(Its predecessor - ERU/ERD - got me out of trouble more than
once in Windows '9x days.

All three--Full backup, System Restore, and ERUNT, have gotten me out
of trouble more than once (but they were all long enough ago that I
don't remember the details of the situations).

It was actually part of Windows - or, at least, on the Windows CD
- in those days

If you had an OEM CD, it might have been included with it, but it was
certainly not part of Windows.
 
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Ed Cryer

Alias said:
Is it "zum download"?
Yes.
If you run your mouse over "zum download" you'll see that it points to
exactly the same address as does "Macrium Reflect Free (64 Bit)"
directly below it.

Ed
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Ken Blake said:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:10:56 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
(Its predecessor - ERU/ERD - got me out of trouble more than
once in Windows '9x days. []
It was actually part of Windows - or, at least, on the Windows CD
- in those days

If you had an OEM CD, it might have been included with it, but it was
certainly not part of Windows.
Hmm. The CD I have is a Microsoft product, and not branded with any
other manufacturer. I'm pretty sure that if you installed Windows (I
think it was 95OSR2) from it, ERU/ERD was _not_ actually _installed_; it
was just there for you to copy if by some strange means you heard about
it. (In a folder called \misc\other, or \other\misc.)

IIRR it was on '95, but not '98, because that had the beginnings of
something like System Restore (though I don't think it was called that;
it was tied up with some automatic mechanism) on it, and they didn't
want to admit you might ever need to go back to DOS to get out of a hole
(ERD ran in DOS even if '9x wouldn't start). The '95 ERD actually
_worked_ fine with '98 (and I think Me), though.
 
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Varouj

s|b a écrit :
With Macrium he doesn't need System Restore, which is crap anyway.


True, it doesn't 'solve' the problem with creating a restore point, but
it offers him a - imho - better alternative.
I downloaded Macrium Reflect, made a clone of the OS disk.
The operation (C: is a 500GB disk with 172 GB of used space) took about
six hours. Now I have two hard disks that look the same.
I cannot create a Rescue disk because any disk I put (CD or DVD) it
tells me "Not enough space" although the disks are empty.
I tried reformatting but it does not change.

As for sfc/Scannow, I am the only user and have all the administrative
rights. I type sfc/scannow in the popup that opens with "Start" and
"Run". Nothing happens but a very quick vision of a black window with
white lines scrolling (by quick I mean less than a second).
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <kt3irl$9h5$1@dont-email.me>, Varouj
As for sfc/Scannow, I am the only user and have all the administrative
rights. I type sfc/scannow in the popup that opens with "Start" and
"Run". Nothing happens but a very quick vision of a black window with
white lines scrolling (by quick I mean less than a second).
Don't type it in the Start|Run box; start a command window (I think
typing cmd in the Start|Run box will do that, though I'm not sure if you
get enough privileges that way). This will open up a (yes, it is black
[by default - I think you can change it]) command window, and you type
sfc/Scannow into _that_. It _won't_ then close when it's finished, and
you will then be able to see what it says. You can also start a command
window from somewhere in the Start|Programs area - not sure about 7,
under XP I think it's under Accessories - and that's how you get more
privileges if you need them (you find it, then _right_ click and choose
run as administrator).
 
K

Ken Blake

Ken Blake said:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:10:56 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
(Its predecessor - ERU/ERD - got me out of trouble more than
once in Windows '9x days. []
It was actually part of Windows - or, at least, on the Windows CD
- in those days

If you had an OEM CD, it might have been included with it, but it was
certainly not part of Windows.
Hmm. The CD I have is a Microsoft product, and not branded with any
other manufacturer. I'm pretty sure that if you installed Windows (I
think it was 95OSR2) from it, ERU/ERD was _not_ actually _installed_; it
was just there for you to copy if by some strange means you heard about
it. (In a folder called \misc\other, or \other\misc.)

If you say so, but that sounds very surprising to me.
 
V

Varouj

J. P. Gilliver (John) a exprimé avec précision :
In message <kt3irl$9h5$1@dont-email.me>, Varouj
As for sfc/Scannow, I am the only user and have all the administrative
rights. I type sfc/scannow in the popup that opens with "Start" and "Run".
Nothing happens but a very quick vision of a black window with white lines
scrolling (by quick I mean less than a second).
Don't type it in the Start|Run box; start a command window (I think typing
cmd in the Start|Run box will do that, though I'm not sure if you get enough
privileges that way). This will open up a (yes, it is black [by default - I
think you can change it]) command window, and you type sfc/Scannow into
_that_. It _won't_ then close when it's finished, and you will then be able
to see what it says. You can also start a command window from somewhere in
the Start|Programs area - not sure about 7, under XP I think it's under
Accessories - and that's how you get more privileges if you need them (you
find it, then _right_ click and choose run as administrator).
Thank you John
I was able to run sfc/scannow and it fixed the problem.
Now I have created a restore point.
Thanks again
 
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Leala

In message <kt3irl$9h5$1@dont-email.me>, Varouj
As for sfc/Scannow, I am the only user and have all the administrative
rights. I type sfc/scannow in the popup that opens with "Start" and
"Run". Nothing happens but a very quick vision of a black window with
white lines scrolling (by quick I mean less than a second).
Don't type it in the Start|Run box; start a command window (I think
typing cmd in the Start|Run box will do that, though I'm not sure if you
get enough privileges that way). This will open up a (yes, it is black
[by default - I think you can change it]) command window, and you type
sfc/Scannow into _that_. It _won't_ then close when it's finished, and
you will then be able to see what it says. You can also start a command
window from somewhere in the Start|Programs area - not sure about 7,
under XP I think it's under Accessories - and that's how you get more
privileges if you need them (you find it, then _right_ click and choose
run as administrator).
C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe

right click cmd.exe and choose run as administrator

type sfc /scannow and press enter.

Bob's your uncle.

:)
 
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XS11E

s|b said:
With Macrium he doesn't need System Restore, which is crap anyway.
I disagree, I use imaging software and it's worked very well for me but
so does System Restore which has saved my butt on several occasions.

All immaterial now, it appears the OP has fixed his problems by
sucessfully running Scannow.
 
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s|b

I downloaded Macrium Reflect, made a clone of the OS disk.
The operation (C: is a 500GB disk with 172 GB of used space) took about
six hours. Now I have two hard disks that look the same.
I did not realize your C: drive/partition was so big. I use a SSD of 120
GB of which 26 GiB is used. I only use it as C: for Windows and
programs. All my other data is on another hdd.
I cannot create a Rescue disk because any disk I put (CD or DVD) it
tells me "Not enough space" although the disks are empty.
I tried reformatting but it does not change.
Weird, I use a CD-RW without problems. You can also try and create
Rescue Media to a USB flash drive. Anyway, unless you move data from
your C: drive/partition Macrium isn't something you can do regularly. 6
hours is just too long...

Anyway, I read you're problem is solved and you can now create restore
points again...
 
S

s|b

I disagree, I use imaging software and it's worked very well for me but
so does System Restore which has saved my butt on several occasions.
I tried System Restore a couple of times and in both cases it left files
and (empty) folders behind. That was the last time that I used it. If
you create an image and restore it, it will be _exactly_ the same. No
crap left behind.

And in my case, my C: drive is a SSD and only 26 GiB is used. My data is
on anther hdd. This way, Macrium Reflect only takes about 10 to 15
minutes. Restoring an image doesn't take much time either.
All immaterial now, it appears the OP has fixed his problems by
sucessfully running Scannow.
I read about that and I'm happy for him. :)
 
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choro

The best restauration point that I know of is The Lighthouse, a Georgian
fish restaurant not far from where I live. Not quite up to the standard
of the Gumus Balik restaurant in Izmir, in Tuyrkey where I was treated
for dinner once but then Izmir is too far away for me to travel to for a
restauration!

--
choro
*****

Ken Blake said:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:10:56 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
(Its predecessor - ERU/ERD - got me out of trouble more than
once in Windows '9x days. []
It was actually part of Windows - or, at least, on the Windows CD
- in those days


If you had an OEM CD, it might have been included with it, but it was
certainly not part of Windows.
Hmm. The CD I have is a Microsoft product, and not branded with any
other manufacturer. I'm pretty sure that if you installed Windows (I
think it was 95OSR2) from it, ERU/ERD was _not_ actually _installed_; it
was just there for you to copy if by some strange means you heard about
it. (In a folder called \misc\other, or \other\misc.)

If you say so, but that sounds very surprising to me.
 
C

choro

I did not realize your C: drive/partition was so big. I use a SSD of 120
GB of which 26 GiB is used. I only use it as C: for Windows and
programs. All my other data is on another hdd.


Weird, I use a CD-RW without problems. You can also try and create
Rescue Media to a USB flash drive. Anyway, unless you move data from
your C: drive/partition Macrium isn't something you can do regularly. 6
hours is just too long...
You can always to incremental back ups which do not take up much time.
 
K

Ken Blake

I disagree, I use imaging software and it's worked very well for me but
so does System Restore which has saved my butt on several occasions.

Ditto.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

s|b a présenté l'énoncé suivant :

Thank you for the info. I'll try it. But I wanted to do a quick restore
point just because I downloaded a driver and in case something goes
wrong I wanted to be able to go back to the previous state.
Using a whole disk backup seems too much work !
System Restore has saved me from a disaster more that once, so there's
no way I'd call it crap.

Referring obliquely to another post downthread a little: on my fairly
full disk, Macrium can take over an hour for an incremental image and
over two for a clone.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

s|b a écrit :

I downloaded Macrium Reflect, made a clone of the OS disk.
The operation (C: is a 500GB disk with 172 GB of used space) took about
six hours. Now I have two hard disks that look the same.
I cannot create a Rescue disk because any disk I put (CD or DVD) it
tells me "Not enough space" although the disks are empty.
I tried reformatting but it does not change.
When I gave my estimates for the time Macrium takes, I forgot to think
about the fact that my backup drive is USB3. If you have USB2, the
results will be a lot slower.
As for sfc/Scannow, I am the only user and have all the administrative
rights. I type sfc/scannow in the popup that opens with "Start" and
"Run". Nothing happens but a very quick vision of a black window with
white lines scrolling (by quick I mean less than a second).
1. You have only *some* administrator rights unless you log in to the
Administrator account. That is *not* the same as a user account with
Administrator privileges.

Thank Microsoft for confusing terminology (although I don't know how
they express it in the French version).

2. As someone else already mentioned, you have to start sfc from a
command window, not from the Start button search window.

Type cmd in that search bar. Cmd.exe will appear in the panel above.
Right click on it and choose "Run as administrator". That's called an
"elevated command prompt"...
 
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Varouj

s|b avait écrit le 28/07/2013 :
I tried System Restore a couple of times and in both cases it left files
and (empty) folders behind. That was the last time that I used it. If
you create an image and restore it, it will be _exactly_ the same. No
crap left behind.

And in my case, my C: drive is a SSD and only 26 GiB is used. My data is
on anther hdd. This way, Macrium Reflect only takes about 10 to 15
minutes. Restoring an image doesn't take much time either.


I read about that and I'm happy for him. :)
Once again I would like to thank all who have answered my messages and
helped me with my problem.
i follow this forum regularly although I do not post often and I have
learned a lot.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

Ken Blake said:
If you say so, but that sounds very surprising to me.
I certainly installed '95 from that disc and it didn't install the ERx;
it is possible it would have if I'd taken certain options during the
install. It's a long time ago!

If what you're dubious about is whether it was an OEM CD, I can't say:
I'm pretty sure I got it at a computer fair or similar, but it is a
genuine Microsoft product, no mention of Dell or hp or similar, and I'm
pretty sure it's not a pirate product, but it might well be something
that wasn't supposed to be sold to a member of the public.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A man is not contemptible because he thinks science explains everything, and a
man is not contempptible because he doesn't. - Howard Jacobson, in Radio Times
2010/1/23-29.
 

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