Photoshop in Win 7 64 bit


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Mick

Hi all,

Re my new computer failing to boot this is a lower speck desktop with
Windows 7 64 bit.

Photoshop problem with new install in Zoostorm Computer with Windows 7
Home Premium 64 bit.

I first installed Photoshop 7 only from the installation disc, before I
always installed it as recommended setting that install both Photoshop 7 and
Image Ready as well.



On opening Photoshop, there is strange behaviour!

With a photo file open, if I select the Text button from the left hand tools
selection, the text is on

Courier (Ti) I cannot change it, nor can I type text as that then highlight
it and then select another font?



With text and some other tools instead of there being one tool on the
pointer of the mouse there are three.



I cannot close the photo file by clicking on the X in the red box, only by
pressing Ctrl and W



I did then uninstall Photoshop and install it as the default option but it
is still the same!

It is installed at: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Photoshop 7.0\Photoshop.exe



I have tried running it in compatible mode for XP with Service Pack 3, which
makes no difference.



Is there a general "reset" thing I can try?

Could there be something else on the computer causing this?

Mick.
 
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Paul

Mick said:
Hi all,

Re my new computer failing to boot this is a lower speck desktop with
Windows 7 64 bit.

Photoshop problem with new install in Zoostorm Computer with Windows 7
Home Premium 64 bit.

I first installed Photoshop 7 only from the installation disc, before I
always installed it as recommended setting that install both Photoshop 7 and
Image Ready as well.

On opening Photoshop, there is strange behaviour!

With a photo file open, if I select the Text button from the left hand tools
selection, the text is on

Courier (Ti) I cannot change it, nor can I type text as that then highlight
it and then select another font?

With text and some other tools instead of there being one tool on the
pointer of the mouse there are three.

I cannot close the photo file by clicking on the X in the red box, only by
pressing Ctrl and W

I did then uninstall Photoshop and install it as the default option but it
is still the same!

It is installed at: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Photoshop 7.0\Photoshop.exe

I have tried running it in compatible mode for XP with Service Pack 3, which
makes no difference.

Is there a general "reset" thing I can try?

Could there be something else on the computer causing this?

Mick.
This recipe might not be for your version of Photoshop, but it illustrates
the (complicated) process of cleaning every last speck of Photoshop from the
system.

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405847.html

The program files were undoubtedly removed by the uninstall from Programs
and Files control panel.

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Elements 7.0

But the preferences for the application, are in other places. You'll
need to search down these file trees, looking for similar folders.

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\
C:\Users\[User]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\

There are also Registry entries that can be removed.

So it's a messy job. It's always messy to do it manually, but
the reason some of this is necessary, is removing a program,
does not remove the "preferences", so there's no real way to
reset it, without getting your hands dirty. If you install and
uninstall, over and over again, the bad preferences remain each
time, so the new operation will work no better.

To prove this, you could create another user on the machine,
and try Photoshop from there. Perhaps if that works better,
then you know the "bad stuff" is in a place like

C:\Users\[User]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\

*******

Standard disclaimer. As long as you have full backups, nothing
can go wrong... :) If you botch the job, restore from your backup.
I make mistakes all the time (made a big mistake two days ago :) )
and thank God for backups.

Paul
 
D

Dave Cohen

Mick said:
Hi all,

Re my new computer failing to boot this is a lower speck desktop
with
Windows 7 64 bit.

Photoshop problem with new install in Zoostorm Computer with Windows
7 Home Premium 64 bit.

I first installed Photoshop 7 only from the installation disc, before I
always installed it as recommended setting that install both Photoshop
7 and Image Ready as well.

On opening Photoshop, there is strange behaviour!

With a photo file open, if I select the Text button from the left hand
tools selection, the text is on

Courier (Ti) I cannot change it, nor can I type text as that then
highlight it and then select another font?

With text and some other tools instead of there being one tool on the
pointer of the mouse there are three.

I cannot close the photo file by clicking on the X in the red box, only
by pressing Ctrl and W

I did then uninstall Photoshop and install it as the default option but
it is still the same!

It is installed at: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Photoshop
7.0\Photoshop.exe

I have tried running it in compatible mode for XP with Service Pack 3,
which makes no difference.

Is there a general "reset" thing I can try?

Could there be something else on the computer causing this?

Mick.
This recipe might not be for your version of Photoshop, but it
illustrates the (complicated) process of cleaning every last speck of
Photoshop from the system.

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405847.html

The program files were undoubtedly removed by the uninstall from
Programs and Files control panel.

C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Elements 7.0

But the preferences for the application, are in other places. You'll
need to search down these file trees, looking for similar folders.

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\
C:\Users\[User]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\

There are also Registry entries that can be removed.

So it's a messy job. It's always messy to do it manually, but the reason
some of this is necessary, is removing a program, does not remove the
"preferences", so there's no real way to reset it, without getting your
hands dirty. If you install and uninstall, over and over again, the bad
preferences remain each time, so the new operation will work no better.

To prove this, you could create another user on the machine, and try
Photoshop from there. Perhaps if that works better, then you know the
"bad stuff" is in a place like

C:\Users\[User]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Photoshop Elements\7.0\

*******

Standard disclaimer. As long as you have full backups, nothing can go
wrong... :) If you botch the job, restore from your backup. I make
mistakes all the time (made a big mistake two days ago :) ) and thank
God for backups.

Paul
I agree, and I keep image backup of the system drive. However, a system
resore will generally work well. Some application are kind enough to
create a restore point before installation, but we can't rely on kindness
of others in this world so it's a good idea to create one before every
install. Most times I forget to follow my own advice, but this is no fault
of the advice.
 
M

Mick

Dave Cohen said:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:25:54 -0400, Paul wrote:

I agree, and I keep image backup of the system drive. However, a system
resore will generally work well. Some application are kind enough to
create a restore point before installation, but we can't rely on kindness
of others in this world so it's a good idea to create one before every
install. Most times I forget to follow my own advice, but this is no fault
of the advice.
Hi, but Photoshop was the same when freshly installed on the new computer so
there could be no old files around.
I first thought it was because I did a custom install and installed
Photoshop 7 only not Image Ready and uninstalled it and did a normal install
of both.

Could this be because the computer only has onboard graphics?
A card is fairly cheap, I will try one and report back,

Mick.
 
M

Mick

Mick said:
Hi, but Photoshop was the same when freshly installed on the new computer
so there could be no old files around.
I first thought it was because I did a custom install and installed
Photoshop 7 only not Image Ready and uninstalled it and did a normal
install of both.

Could this be because the computer only has onboard graphics?
A card is fairly cheap, I will try one and report back,

Mick.
Hi all,

I fitted an Asus HD 6450 Graphic card and now Photoshop is
performing as it did before in previous computers.

Mick.
 
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Paul

Mick said:
Hi all,

I fitted an Asus HD 6450 Graphic card and now Photoshop is
performing as it did before in previous computers.

Mick.
I'm surprised Photoshop 7 has any hardware dependency. I could
understand, say, a more recent version, being able to use the
GPU for some kind of computation, but older versions should use
the CPU for computation, and the video card just as a frame buffer.

According to this, Photoshop CS4 has OpenGL acceleration, and that
could use the video card. But perhaps they aren't emphasizing hardware
features here, so it's hard to say whether any previous version would
have used the video card GPU. Photoshop has a history of multiple
threads of execution, and was ahead of its time in that respect.
Using the GPU, isn't quite as handy (programming support GPGPU/CUDA/OpenCL
is a relatively recent innovation). And with OpenGL, you'd only
want to use that, for things actually supported by the video card
(as in some cases, the CPU emulates missing portions of OpenGL).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop_version_history

For some of Adobe's other products, they use CUDA code for
acceleration only (so owners of Nvidia cards benefit). Generally,
support for OpenCL seems to come second. And the HD 6450 would
be an OpenCL candidate. It's hard to imagine how your HD 6450
fits into this Photoshop 7 puzzle.

Paul
 
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Rob

I'm surprised Photoshop 7 has any hardware dependency. I could
understand, say, a more recent version, being able to use the
GPU for some kind of computation, but older versions should use
the CPU for computation, and the video card just as a frame buffer.

According to this, Photoshop CS4 has OpenGL acceleration, and that
could use the video card. But perhaps they aren't emphasizing hardware
features here, so it's hard to say whether any previous version would
have used the video card GPU. Photoshop has a history of multiple
threads of execution, and was ahead of its time in that respect.
Using the GPU, isn't quite as handy (programming support GPGPU/CUDA/OpenCL
is a relatively recent innovation). And with OpenGL, you'd only
want to use that, for things actually supported by the video card
(as in some cases, the CPU emulates missing portions of OpenGL).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop_version_history

For some of Adobe's other products, they use CUDA code for
acceleration only (so owners of Nvidia cards benefit). Generally,
support for OpenCL seems to come second. And the HD 6450 would
be an OpenCL candidate. It's hard to imagine how your HD 6450
fits into this Photoshop 7 puzzle.

Paul
I suspect it was due to some problem with the driver for his onboard
graphics and (maybe) hardware-accelerated mode. I've seen stranger
things happen which were eventually tracked down to faulty video
card drivers.
 
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Mick

Rob said:
I suspect it was due to some problem with the driver for his onboard
graphics and (maybe) hardware-accelerated mode. I've seen stranger
things happen which were eventually tracked down to faulty video
card drivers.
Hi, I am a bit lost with How and Why, but If it cost me the price of the
graphic card to get the driver sorted out then overall it was worth it.
The display is much better too.
Mick.
 

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