No email on W-7

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I
first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic
software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was
always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid
version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox.

So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with
software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love

In your eagerness to grind your axe, you have missed some
possibilities:

1) First of all, I stated "ISP" not "software vendor".

2) The software was supplied on disk.

all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a
couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because,
gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide
to get something else.

No. I avoid toolbars. Firefox added a Google search toolbar in
one version. I got rid of it quickly.

You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer
filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a
new car to find out about pudding?

That is not what I am talking about. I was offered the software.
That helped get me started. I was quite free to not install the
software.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Wolf K]

So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with
software that is NOT part of the operating system.

Applications software is never part of the operating system.

 

[VanguardLH]

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/cent...icleId={b7514210-62b6-11df-ccef-000000000000}
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Inline with snippage.

I can't locate the place to make the rules,

See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software

downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.

Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.

My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all."

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

 

[Char Jackson]

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.

To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS
doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like
WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.

MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their
kool-aid.


Mozilla Newsgroups:

news.mozilla.org

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail
on Vista?

You can download a trial here.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook

FYI: Outlook does not do news.


When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news
ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a
month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some
great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thun...8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7GGHP_enUS449

 

[Chris S.]

From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's
more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7
and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it
to work for them.

Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a
half
on my main machine.
When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full
permissions
on all of the files. And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to
your taskbar.

Chris

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

No flames. To each is or her own. <smile>

Hey - we can flame if we want!

Also smiling...

BTW, your typo made me want to correct it. How about "To each is or er
own"?

Yes, I'm still smiling.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of
us who can't stand WLM.

It's not a "sanctioned" hack, and the Kppl-Aid part still applies. <w>

 

[RH Breener]

I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see.

I can't locate the place to make the rules, and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. My
inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." I can only delete
them one at a time. How do I delete permanently all the messages in the
delete folders? This *&^%$#@ WLM is the pits. The rules are not under
Filter Messages or anywhere else I looked. And it wont work with one of the
three gmail addresses we use. I've deleted it and readded this one account
at least 4 times now yet it keeps saying the password don't match. The same
account with the same password works on two other computers.

Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right.

I found that.

You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like
OE and WinMail.


Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are
workarounds.

I'll try a work-around and see if it works for me.

How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx


How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html

When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to
work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future.

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

 

[Zaidy036]

<snip>

If you are just doing Registry mods get ERUNT from
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

But you should learn how to do an image

 

[RH Breener]

From all accounts, you're not missing much - WLM version 15, at least,
doesn't quote properly. (Incidentally, my understanding is that it isn't
actually part of a basic W7 install, so whoever built the PC - HP? - must
have decided to include it. It's free from Microsoft.)

Yes, HP installs it.

Interesting that you don't like Thunderbird, if you like OutlookExpress;
it can be made to look very like OE. There are also flavours of TB - for
example, there's one that looks like Eudora, if you know that one.

Thunderbird is far better than WLM, but I still prefer to use OE or WM.
I've been using the MS email software since 1995. That makes it hard to
switch also. But of the two, if I can't somehow get WM to work on the W7
computer, I'll use Thunderbird.

I _think_ you can - Windows Mail as opposed to Windows Live Mail - though
not OE. Over to the experts ...

I have the info from above and will give it a go, see what happens.

As for seeing the size of mails before you download them, see if your
provider offers a web interface; those usually do show the size.

Google mail has a web interface but I would much rather get my mail right on
my PC.

 

[Ken Blake]

Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email
program they like best.

Certainly. But the probability of someone exploring the alternatives
and choosing what they like best is *much* higher if it comes with no
e-mail program and they are therefore forced to make a choice

Please note that in the sentence you quoted above, I said "more free,"
not "free."

Windows still comes with IE and we all use
MozillaFireFox as our browser.

We do *not* all use Firefox. Note the following two points:

1. An enormous number of people use IE, because they either don't know
there are alternatives or because it's much easier to just stick with
what comes with Windows rather than explore the alternatives.

2. Even among those of us who are interested in exploring the
alternatives, we don't all use Firefox. I, for example, greatly prefer
Maxthon to Firefox and that's what I use

Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and
I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little
complicated but I think I can do it.

I'm personally not a Thunderbird fan, but I think it's a *much* better
choice than Windows Live Mail. Why not use it even if you can get
Windows Live Mail to work?

 

[RH Breener]

Note that it's your HP PC that came with Windows Live Mail, not
Windows 7. Windows Live Mail is a free program that HP (and many other
OEMs) bundle with their Windows 7 computers.





I'm entirely with you. I think it's about the worst choice there is.





Yes. Read here:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/

But you can *not* run Outlook Express in Windows 7.

Here's my standard post on this subject:

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best.

Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email
program they like best. Windows still comes with IE and we all use
MozillaFireFox as our browser.

There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

If your computer came with Windows 7 preinstalled, it may have also
come with Windows Live Mail. If so, that's not because Windows 7 came
with it, it's because your computer's manufacturer bundled it with
what he sold you.
Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).

Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and
I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little
complicated but I think I can do it.

 

[Ken Blake]

OK, then I would not be interested at all.

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program
for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs,
one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I
can have both open at once.

 

[Ken Blake]

Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to
live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of
email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch.

I don't think it's really confusing at all. Whenever you go from one
thing to another (programs or almost anything else) you go through a
period of adjustment. It takes some time to get accustomed to the
differences, but with decent software it doesn't take very long. And
once you get accustomed to the differences, you may even prefer the
new to the old.

For example, whenever I rent a car while on vacation, it takes me a
little time to get accustomed to the differences between it and what I
own. But in a day or two, I'm comfortable with I'm driving, and often
prefer at least some of the features on the rented car.

 

[Sam Hill]

Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything,
but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for
e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for
each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have
both open at once.

Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a
private email to a newsgroup.

 

[RH Breener]

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/cent...icleId={b7514210-62b6-11df-ccef-000000000000}
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.