help with network file copying from W2K to W7 error ?

[robb]

I have a W2K Pro system and a Win7 HPre system .

I want to copy contents of several IDE/ATA-100 80,160,250 Gb Hard drives
from the W2K (only IDE/ATA ) to a new 1Tb SATA HD on the Win7 system
(only SATA).

When i try to copy across the network the copy works but hoses on
directories like "Document and Settings" and all subdirectories that the
copy tries to create ?

I get a message like .....
can't create \\MY_Network_PC_NAME\X_Drive\Documents and
Settings\Administrator

When i navigate to that drive on Win7 Windows Explorer and select the
"Document and Settings" folder , A popup message says, You currently do
not have permission to this folder please click here to gain permanent
access to this folder.

When I click the button, Windows Explorer opens the folder and then the
copy will create another sub-folder there but then the exact same problem
occurs with that new sub-folder.

So you see the problem. What is Win7 or what settings in Win7 will prevent
the copy from creating non-accessible folders ?

Thanks for any helpful replies,
robb

 

[Big Steel]

I have a W2K Pro system and a Win7 HPre system .

I want to copy contents of several IDE/ATA-100 80,160,250 Gb Hard drives
from the W2K (only IDE/ATA ) to a new 1Tb SATA HD on the Win7 system
(only SATA).

When i try to copy across the network the copy works but hoses on
directories like "Document and Settings" and all subdirectories that the
copy tries to create ?

I get a message like .....
can't create \\MY_Network_PC_NAME\X_Drive\Documents and
Settings\Administrator

When i navigate to that drive on Win7 Windows Explorer and select the
"Document and Settings" folder , A popup message says, You currently do
not have permission to this folder please click here to gain permanent
access to this folder.

When I click the button, Windows Explorer opens the folder and then the
copy will create another sub-folder there but then the exact same problem
occurs with that new sub-folder.

So you see the problem. What is Win7 or what settings in Win7 will prevent
the copy from creating non-accessible folders ?

Thanks for any helpful replies,

You should not try to copy folder structures as is from Win 2k over
to Win 7. Win 7 is not Win 2k or XP, which has better protection and
is a closed by default O/S. You might be able to do a copy/paste
operation or you might be able to create the folder structure away
from a protected area.

 

[Seth]

I have a W2K Pro system and a Win7 HPre system .

I want to copy contents of several IDE/ATA-100 80,160,250 Gb Hard
drives from the W2K (only IDE/ATA ) to a new 1Tb SATA HD on the Win7
system (only SATA).

When i try to copy across the network the copy works but hoses on
directories like "Document and Settings" and all subdirectories that the
copy tries to create ?

I get a message like .....
can't create \\MY_Network_PC_NAME\X_Drive\Documents and
Settings\Administrator

Looks like you are copying form the target to the root of an existing
Windows 7 drive. Don't do that...

An object already exists called "\Documents and Settings", but it is not a
folder. It is a junction point.

Create, preferably under your profile \Users\<username>\Documents a
sub-folder or collection of sub-folders and copy your stuff there. This is
not a network issue but rather a file system issue.

 

[robb]

Looks like you are copying form the target to the root of an existing
Windows 7 drive. Don't do that...

An object already exists called "\Documents and Settings", but it is not a
folder. It is a junction point.

Create, preferably under your profile \Users\<username>\Documents a
sub-folder or collection of sub-folders and copy your stuff there. This
is not a network issue but rather a file system issue.

Thanks for the help Seth,

do not think i an doing what you are suggesting but i will put exact info
here so that you can judge if i am making the mistake you suggest.
All the drives on both systems are formated as NTFS

Win2k system (My Computer)
name: AMDPC
---------------
+ WIN2K (C <- this is system boot drive IDE-0 for AMDPC
+ WIN2000 (D <- an old system drive (IDE-1 master) to copy over
+ APPDATA (E < an old data drive (IDE-1 slave) to copy over
+ NET_Backup on 'INTELPC\WIN2000_Backup' (N <- My N: mapped network
drive to INTELPC machine


Win7 system (My Computer)
name: INTELPC
----------------
+ OS (C <- this is Win7 OS boot drive HD SATA- 0
+ DATA (X <- This is Win7 DATA drive HD SATA-2 and Shared as
WIN2000_Backup

So i am trying to perform a COPY from the Win2K machine using XCOPY and
also tried "Total Commander" to the Win7 machine through or using the mapped
Network drive that is mounted or mapped on the Win2k machine

EG. at Win2K CMD prompt

xcopy D:*.* N: /S /E /I /H /R /O


The regular non-system like directories go over it is only the directory
"Documents and Settings" and probably WINNT that will give me trouble

Is this info useful for more help ?

thanks
robb

 

[Paul]

Thanks for the help Seth,

do not think i an doing what you are suggesting but i will put exact
info here so that you can judge if i am making the mistake you suggest.
All the drives on both systems are formated as NTFS

Win2k system (My Computer)
name: AMDPC
---------------
+ WIN2K (C <- this is system boot drive IDE-0 for AMDPC
+ WIN2000 (D <- an old system drive (IDE-1 master) to copy over
+ APPDATA (E < an old data drive (IDE-1 slave) to copy over
+ NET_Backup on 'INTELPC\WIN2000_Backup' (N <- My N: mapped
network drive to INTELPC machine


Win7 system (My Computer)
name: INTELPC
----------------
+ OS (C <- this is Win7 OS boot drive HD SATA- 0
+ DATA (X <- This is Win7 DATA drive HD SATA-2 and Shared as
WIN2000_Backup

So i am trying to perform a COPY from the Win2K machine using XCOPY
and also tried "Total Commander" to the Win7 machine through or using
the mapped Network drive that is mounted or mapped on the Win2k machine

EG. at Win2K CMD prompt

xcopy D:*.* N: /S /E /I /H /R /O


The regular non-system like directories go over it is only the directory
"Documents and Settings" and probably WINNT that will give me trouble

Is this info useful for more help ?

thanks
robb

I haven't a clue how Windows permissions work But that's never
stopped me in the past.

Based on working with other OSes, there is a difference between doing this

Win2K Win7
copy ------ push------> share

versus doing it from the Win7 machine.

Win2K Win7
share ---- pull ------> copy

I'd try the second form, if I thought the first form was going to fail.
You also have the option to "elevate" the command on the copy-pull side
on the Win7 machine.

And there are other utilities available, to make copies. I use Robocopy,
and Microsoft also wrote another one as a followup to Robocopy. You'd want
a version of Robocopy of XP026 or greater. A copy of Robocopy may come
bundled with the Robocopy GUI program.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2006.11.utilityspotlight.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocopy (says GUI version has XP026)

Robocopy can be very dangerous, especially if you make a typing mistake.
The "mirror" command, forces the target file system to match the source.
That means, if you accidentally "mirrot" to the wrong destination, you
can erase all the files there (that's happened to me once, due to a copy
paste error of the entire command).

This is how I copy all of one disk to another, using Robocopy (this is
a not-so-good way of cloning - it gets the files alright, but misses
other important details). Since this is local, from one local disk to
another, I'm not testing "shares" at all by doing this. Some of the
options here, help with NTFS copying, and would be otherwise meaningless
on FAT32 partitions. If you walk away from the machine, you can examine
the log later, and see how many were "skipped" etc. And then try and
figure out what got skipped.

robocopy F:\ Y:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v /log:f_to_y.log

I'm sure there is a proper answer to this.

Paul

 

[Seth]

Thanks for the help Seth,

do not think i an doing what you are suggesting but i will put exact info
here so that you can judge if i am making the mistake you suggest.
All the drives on both systems are formated as NTFS

Win2k system (My Computer)
name: AMDPC
---------------
+ WIN2K (C <- this is system boot drive IDE-0 for AMDPC
+ WIN2000 (D <- an old system drive (IDE-1 master) to copy over
+ APPDATA (E < an old data drive (IDE-1 slave) to copy over
+ NET_Backup on 'INTELPC\WIN2000_Backup' (N <- My N: mapped
network drive to INTELPC machine


Win7 system (My Computer)
name: INTELPC
----------------
+ OS (C <- this is Win7 OS boot drive HD SATA- 0
+ DATA (X <- This is Win7 DATA drive HD SATA-2 and Shared as
WIN2000_Backup

So i am trying to perform a COPY from the Win2K machine using XCOPY and
also tried "Total Commander" to the Win7 machine through or using the
mapped Network drive that is mounted or mapped on the Win2k machine

EG. at Win2K CMD prompt

xcopy D:*.* N: /S /E /I /H /R /O


The regular non-system like directories go over it is only the directory
"Documents and Settings" and probably WINNT that will give me trouble

Has the DATA drive on INTELPC been used to host a Windows 7 (or Vista) OS
and not been formatted since then? Like mentioned, if the drive has a
"Documents and Settings" object in the root and you're trying to copy to it,
it probably won't work as it is appearing to be a junction point. And as an
aside, even if just a backup and/or data drive, I never use the ROOT of the
drive. Always at least 1 folder deep to avoid limitations and issues that
can occur. Even on my servers, file shares are under a folder called
\SHARES.

As a test, using your specifics... At the Win2K CMD prompt
MKDIR N:\Backup
xcopy D:\*.* N:\Backup\ /S /E /I /H /R /O

Does that work?

Also, better than XCOPY is ROBOCOPY (Paul makes mention of that util). If
using ROBOCOPY, replace xcopy command (in my example, not yours) with
ROBOCOPY D:\ N:\Backup /S /E /V /Z /ETA /W:2 /R:2

/Z means copy in restartable mode so if a large file gets interupted
mid-copy it can resume where it left off
/ETA will give an estimated time of arrive per file (after it has copied at
least 1 file to get a baseline speed)
/W:2 after failure, wait 2 seconds
/R:2 afer failure, retry 2x per file failure

ROBOCOPY will do 2 things better than XCOPY... 1) resume on failure copying
what it can and 2) skip over files that are the same by date/time/size.

if you do the, as Paul puts it, "Pull" method (run copy on target Win7
machine to pull from 2K machine) ROBOCOPY is already there (at least on the
versions of Win7 I run). the Win2K machine you will have to d/l first (and
I aways put it in the SYSTEM32 folder so it is in the path).

 

[Jake]

ROBOCOPY will do 2 things better than XCOPY... 1) resume on failure copying
what it can and 2) skip over files that are the same by date/time/size.

xxcopy is another one

http://www.xxcopy.com/xcpymain.htm

Very fast. Free for personal use.