Gadgets


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BeeJ

Gadgets seem to be invisible to the MS magnifier.
Is there some way to allow use of the magnifier or is there some other
way to use another magnifier to view the gadgets?
Visually impared want to see the gadgets!
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Hover your mouse over the gadget. Look for a arrow with a square around
it. Click on it.
Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.
 
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choro

Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.
The Magnifier is a pain in the arse! CTRL++ (that is CTRL held down and
then hit +) and CTRL+- will work fine without the hiccups of Magnifier.
One could also mention View>Zoom to...

Whoever thought of the Magnifier needs his head examined. --
choro
*****
 
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Gene E. Bloch

The Magnifier is a pain in the arse! CTRL++ (that is CTRL held down and
then hit +) and CTRL+- will work fine without the hiccups of Magnifier.
One could also mention View>Zoom to...

Whoever thought of the Magnifier needs his head examined. --
choro
*****
The magnifier works well enough here, but Ctrl+ and - don't do anything
to my desktop...

I agree that the magnifier is a bit tricky to use, but if, like BeeJ, I
needed it, I'd surely learn how to use it well.
 
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choro

The magnifier works well enough here, but Ctrl+ and - don't do anything
to my desktop...

I agree that the magnifier is a bit tricky to use, but if, like BeeJ, I
needed it, I'd surely learn how to use it well.
Bit tricky to use? You can say that again. I activated it in error one
day and decided it was more hassle than it was worth. Besides I have no
use for it. So, there!--
choro
*****
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <rDn8t.238775$Cg1.40071@fx16.fr7>, choro <choro@tvco.net>
writes:
[]
The Magnifier is a pain in the arse! CTRL++ (that is CTRL held down and
then hit +) and CTRL+- will work fine without the hiccups of Magnifier.
One could also mention View>Zoom to...
Within some app.s - probably mainly browsers - yes.
Whoever thought of the Magnifier needs his head examined. --
choro
*****
No, thinking of it was kind. The actual implementation of the idea may
or not be competent, I haven't tried it, but there was and is nothing
wrong with the _concept_ of a magnifier.
 
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BeeJ

Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.
All items on the desktop are magnified except for gadgets which are
invisible under the magnifier on my desktop.
I can move a gadget on top of desktop icons and move the magnifier over
that and I see the desktop icons under the gadget but no gadget.

I set up the magnifier under the mouse control panel to activate with a
side button on the mouse.

Is there a different windows magnifier?
How do I tell what I am using?

Ctrl++ does nothing here.

Win 7 Pro.
All updates installed.

NOTE: I think all of you are talking about the Ease of Access tools
including a magnifier that is a total pain.
I am talking about the mouse magnifier.
I did not realize there was an Ease of Access magnifier until you all
said it was so bad. Then I looked around and found this other magnifier.
The Ease of Access magnifier does show the gadgets but the mouse
magnifier which is far superior to the Ease of Access magnifier does NOT
show the gadgets.

The mouse magnifier may have come with the Microsoft deskset (keyboard
and mouse) software suite. You turn it on and assign a mouse button
under the control pane mouse or from my keyboard using the [*] button.

Other than not showing the gadgets it is really a good tool and helps me
significantly. It you have a MS mouse then download the MS keyboard &
mouse enhanced software for lots of useful stuff.

The Ease of use mag stays in place on the desktop and the view moves
with the mouse. Yes you can drag the mag window around and resize it
but so far I cannot zoom it.

The mouse magnifier windows moves with the mouse and can be sized or
zoomed using the mouse controls. You can work right under the mouse
magnifier so it is of much more use. Try it if you got a MS mouse.

And for a real hoot turn them both on at the same time. I will drive
you more crazy!

Of other interest there are also a desktop zoom buttons on the keyboard.
They zoom the desktop icons larger and smaller.
What a hoot, more buttons to play with.

I have the MS 5000 wireless keyboard and mouse.
I wanted a lighted keyboard but at the time I could not find one that I
really liked especially since my keyboard and mouse are six feet away
from the receiver plugged into the PC.

Time for lunch. Bye for now.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.
All items on the desktop are magnified except for gadgets which are
invisible under the magnifier on my desktop.
I can move a gadget on top of desktop icons and move the magnifier over
that and I see the desktop icons under the gadget but no gadget.

I set up the magnifier under the mouse control panel to activate with a
side button on the mouse.

Is there a different windows magnifier?
How do I tell what I am using?

Ctrl++ does nothing here.

Win 7 Pro.
All updates installed.

NOTE: I think all of you are talking about the Ease of Access tools
including a magnifier that is a total pain.
I am talking about the mouse magnifier.
I did not realize there was an Ease of Access magnifier until you all
said it was so bad. Then I looked around and found this other magnifier.
The Ease of Access magnifier does show the gadgets but the mouse
magnifier which is far superior to the Ease of Access magnifier does NOT
show the gadgets.

The mouse magnifier may have come with the Microsoft deskset (keyboard
and mouse) software suite. You turn it on and assign a mouse button
under the control pane mouse or from my keyboard using the [*] button.

Other than not showing the gadgets it is really a good tool and helps me
significantly. It you have a MS mouse then download the MS keyboard &
mouse enhanced software for lots of useful stuff.

The Ease of use mag stays in place on the desktop and the view moves
with the mouse. Yes you can drag the mag window around and resize it
but so far I cannot zoom it.

The mouse magnifier windows moves with the mouse and can be sized or
zoomed using the mouse controls. You can work right under the mouse
magnifier so it is of much more use. Try it if you got a MS mouse.

And for a real hoot turn them both on at the same time. I will drive
you more crazy!

Of other interest there are also a desktop zoom buttons on the keyboard.
They zoom the desktop icons larger and smaller.
What a hoot, more buttons to play with.

I have the MS 5000 wireless keyboard and mouse.
I wanted a lighted keyboard but at the time I could not find one that I
really liked especially since my keyboard and mouse are six feet away
from the receiver plugged into the PC.

Time for lunch. Bye for now.
Other than the inability to see the gadgets, there is nothing you've
said above about the mouse magnifier which isn't also true of the
Windows magnifier.

As for knowing which one you're running, there are two ways.

1. Go to the shortcut you start it from, which could be what appears
when you type magnifier in the Start Orb search box.

2. Right click that shortcut and choose Properties. Look.

3. Or start the Task Manager (I usually use Shift-Ctrl-Esc) & find the
magnifier in the list of processes. Right click the magnifier entry and
choose Open File Location.
 
B

BeeJ

Gene E. Bloch explained on 4/14/2013 :
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 18:25:51 +0200, Alias wrote:

On 4/7/2013 6:07 PM, BeeJ wrote:
Gadgets seem to be invisible to the MS magnifier.
Is there some way to allow use of the magnifier or is there some other
way to use another magnifier to view the gadgets?
Visually impared want to see the gadgets!



Hover your mouse over the gadget. Look for a arrow with a square around
it. Click on it.

Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.
All items on the desktop are magnified except for gadgets which are
invisible under the magnifier on my desktop.
I can move a gadget on top of desktop icons and move the magnifier over
that and I see the desktop icons under the gadget but no gadget.

I set up the magnifier under the mouse control panel to activate with a
side button on the mouse.

Is there a different windows magnifier?
How do I tell what I am using?

Ctrl++ does nothing here.

Win 7 Pro.
All updates installed.

NOTE: I think all of you are talking about the Ease of Access tools
including a magnifier that is a total pain.
I am talking about the mouse magnifier.
I did not realize there was an Ease of Access magnifier until you all
said it was so bad. Then I looked around and found this other magnifier.
The Ease of Access magnifier does show the gadgets but the mouse
magnifier which is far superior to the Ease of Access magnifier does NOT
show the gadgets.

The mouse magnifier may have come with the Microsoft deskset (keyboard
and mouse) software suite. You turn it on and assign a mouse button
under the control pane mouse or from my keyboard using the [*] button.

Other than not showing the gadgets it is really a good tool and helps me
significantly. It you have a MS mouse then download the MS keyboard &
mouse enhanced software for lots of useful stuff.

The Ease of use mag stays in place on the desktop and the view moves
with the mouse. Yes you can drag the mag window around and resize it
but so far I cannot zoom it.

The mouse magnifier windows moves with the mouse and can be sized or
zoomed using the mouse controls. You can work right under the mouse
magnifier so it is of much more use. Try it if you got a MS mouse.

And for a real hoot turn them both on at the same time. I will drive
you more crazy!

Of other interest there are also a desktop zoom buttons on the keyboard.
They zoom the desktop icons larger and smaller.
What a hoot, more buttons to play with.

I have the MS 5000 wireless keyboard and mouse.
I wanted a lighted keyboard but at the time I could not find one that I
really liked especially since my keyboard and mouse are six feet away
from the receiver plugged into the PC.

Time for lunch. Bye for now.
Other than the inability to see the gadgets, there is nothing you've
said above about the mouse magnifier which isn't also true of the
Windows magnifier.

As for knowing which one you're running, there are two ways.

1. Go to the shortcut you start it from, which could be what appears
when you type magnifier in the Start Orb search box.

2. Right click that shortcut and choose Properties. Look.

3. Or start the Task Manager (I usually use Shift-Ctrl-Esc) & find the
magnifier in the list of processes. Right click the magnifier entry and
choose Open File Location.
What?
Unless there is some option that I cannot find they are totally
different.

The mouse mag window moves with the mouse, i.e. the window is the mouse
cursor with a mag window that moves under the cursor. So the window
itself tracks with the mouse movement. Also the mouse can easily size
and zoom the window using the mouse buttons while in mag mode.

The other Ease of Access window stays fixed in one place but the image
within the mag window moves with the mouse.
That is totally different. Here the image in a fixed window track with
the mouse.

The other problem with the Ease of Access is that when I start Media
Center the mouse cursor is invisible. It is there and will hover
"activate" and click buttons but you cannot see the cursor. That is
really stupid. Maybe it has something to do with the Deskset software
conflicting with the that particular situation.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Gene E. Bloch explained on 4/14/2013 :
25:51 +0200, Alias wrote:

On 4/7/2013 6:07 PM, BeeJ wrote:
Gadgets seem to be invisible to the MS magnifier.
Is there some way to allow use of the magnifier or is there some other
way to use another magnifier to view the gadgets?
Visually impared want to see the gadgets!



Hover your mouse over the gadget. Look for a arrow with a square around
it. Click on it.

Only two of my seven gadgets have this arrow; I never looked before,
since I don't have the need.

I wonder if a third party magnifier might do better...

Wait a minute. I just tried it. The magnifier *does* make the gadgets
(all seven of them) larger here, and it *is* the Windows one, namely
%windir%\system32\magnify.exe.


All items on the desktop are magnified except for gadgets which are
invisible under the magnifier on my desktop.
I can move a gadget on top of desktop icons and move the magnifier over
that and I see the desktop icons under the gadget but no gadget.

I set up the magnifier under the mouse control panel to activate with a
side button on the mouse.

Is there a different windows magnifier?
How do I tell what I am using?

Ctrl++ does nothing here.

Win 7 Pro.
All updates installed.

NOTE: I think all of you are talking about the Ease of Access tools
including a magnifier that is a total pain.
I am talking about the mouse magnifier.
I did not realize there was an Ease of Access magnifier until you all
said it was so bad. Then I looked around and found this other magnifier.
The Ease of Access magnifier does show the gadgets but the mouse
magnifier which is far superior to the Ease of Access magnifier does NOT
show the gadgets.

The mouse magnifier may have come with the Microsoft deskset (keyboard
and mouse) software suite. You turn it on and assign a mouse button
under the control pane mouse or from my keyboard using the [*] button.

Other than not showing the gadgets it is really a good tool and helps me
significantly. It you have a MS mouse then download the MS keyboard &
mouse enhanced software for lots of useful stuff.

The Ease of use mag stays in place on the desktop and the view moves
with the mouse. Yes you can drag the mag window around and resize it
but so far I cannot zoom it.

The mouse magnifier windows moves with the mouse and can be sized or
zoomed using the mouse controls. You can work right under the mouse
magnifier so it is of much more use. Try it if you got a MS mouse.

And for a real hoot turn them both on at the same time. I will drive
you more crazy!

Of other interest there are also a desktop zoom buttons on the keyboard.
They zoom the desktop icons larger and smaller.
What a hoot, more buttons to play with.

I have the MS 5000 wireless keyboard and mouse.
I wanted a lighted keyboard but at the time I could not find one that I
really liked especially since my keyboard and mouse are six feet away
from the receiver plugged into the PC.

Time for lunch. Bye for now.
Other than the inability to see the gadgets, there is nothing you've
said above about the mouse magnifier which isn't also true of the
Windows magnifier.

As for knowing which one you're running, there are two ways.

1. Go to the shortcut you start it from, which could be what appears
when you type magnifier in the Start Orb search box.

2. Right click that shortcut and choose Properties. Look.

3. Or start the Task Manager (I usually use Shift-Ctrl-Esc) & find the
magnifier in the list of processes. Right click the magnifier entry and
choose Open File Location.
What?
Unless there is some option that I cannot find they are totally
different.

The mouse mag window moves with the mouse, i.e. the window is the mouse
cursor with a mag window that moves under the cursor. So the window
itself tracks with the mouse movement. Also the mouse can easily size
and zoom the window using the mouse buttons while in mag mode.

The other Ease of Access window stays fixed in one place but the image
within the mag window moves with the mouse.
That is totally different. Here the image in a fixed window track with
the mouse.

The other problem with the Ease of Access is that when I start Media
Center the mouse cursor is invisible. It is there and will hover
"activate" and click buttons but you cannot see the cursor. That is
really stupid. Maybe it has something to do with the Deskset software
conflicting with the that particular situation.
Well, our experiences are sufficiently different that I can't guess
what's happening. Or maybe I'm not properly interpreting what you say.

Either way, I have to concur with "What?" :)

But before clicking on Send, I just played for a moment.

If I start the magnifier from the Ease of Access window, what I get
looks and acts the same as what I get by typing magnifier in the Start
search box.

However, in my Ease of Access window, the magnifier section says this:
"Magnifier zooms in anywhere on the screen, and makes everything in that
area larger. You can move Magnifier around, lock it in one place, or
resize it."
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Gene E. Bloch said:
The mouse mag window moves with the mouse, i.e. the window is the mouse
cursor with a mag window that moves under the cursor. So the window
itself tracks with the mouse movement. Also the mouse can easily size
and zoom the window using the mouse buttons while in mag mode.

The other Ease of Access window stays fixed in one place but the image
within the mag window moves with the mouse.
That is totally different. Here the image in a fixed window track with
the mouse.
[]
However, in my Ease of Access window, the magnifier section says this:
"Magnifier zooms in anywhere on the screen, and makes everything in that
area larger. You can move Magnifier around, lock it in one place, or
resize it."
Yes, but _unless_ you move or resize it, it stays where it is - just
what it _shows_ is around the mouse cursor. What BeeJ seems to be
describing is a magnifier window (round? square?) that actually moves
with the mouse cursor - like a hand-held magnifying glass.

(Never having used anything like that, I can't say how I'd get on with
it; I rather think it'd get in the way, but then I am fortunate in not
needing any magnification yet, so am not really a good person to
comment.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

And if you kill Judi Dench, you can't go back home. - Bill Nighy (on learning
to ride a motorbike [on which she would be side-saddle] for "The Best Exotic
Marigold Hotel"), quoted in Radio Times 18-24 February 2012.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Gene E. Bloch said:
The mouse mag window moves with the mouse, i.e. the window is the mouse
cursor with a mag window that moves under the cursor. So the window
itself tracks with the mouse movement. Also the mouse can easily size
and zoom the window using the mouse buttons while in mag mode.

The other Ease of Access window stays fixed in one place but the image
within the mag window moves with the mouse.
That is totally different. Here the image in a fixed window track with
the mouse.
[]
However, in my Ease of Access window, the magnifier section says this:
"Magnifier zooms in anywhere on the screen, and makes everything in that
area larger. You can move Magnifier around, lock it in one place, or
resize it."
Yes, but _unless_ you move or resize it, it stays where it is - just
what it _shows_ is around the mouse cursor. What BeeJ seems to be
describing is a magnifier window (round? square?) that actually moves
with the mouse cursor - like a hand-held magnifying glass.
Or like my on-screen magnifier...

Eppur si muove.
 

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