Defrag Win764bit


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Turtle

Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Thanks in advance.
John
 
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Kirk Bubul

Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?
I have been using the free Defraggler (piriform.com/defraggler) on my
Win 7 HP 64-bit setup for the past 13 months with no problems.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Kirk said:
I have been using the free Defraggler (piriform.com/defraggler) on my
Win 7 HP 64-bit setup for the past 13 months with no problems.
I also use Defraggler, which is available in both 32 and 64 bit versions.
 
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Ken Blake

Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Windows 7 essentially defrags itself. You don't really need to use any
defragger. But if you do, I would just use the one that comes with
Windows.
 
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R. C. White

?Hi, John.

I agree with Ken Blake: You don't really need any defragger except what is
built into Win7.

Vista and Win7 do a much better job than prior Windows versions of keeping
themselves defragged.

But if you want to use a third-party defragger, have a look at PerfectDisk
11 from Raxco (http://www.raxco.com/?products/downloadit/ ). The price
starts at about $30; a free trial is available. I've been running my free
copy of PD11 (and its predecessors) for several years and it (a) works well
and (b) stays out of my way in the background except when I click it to see
its reports.

RC
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"Turtle" wrote in message

Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Thanks in advance.
John
 
L

LouB

Ken said:
Windows 7 essentially defrags itself. You don't really need to use any
defragger. But if you do, I would just use the one that comes with
Windows.
How does it defrag itself?
 
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Unicorn

Turtle said:
Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Thanks in advance.
John
The regular defrag. of hard drives was applicable
particularly in early days of computing when HD were small
and OS not entirely equipt with a proper devices / tools.
Now with the modern large HD and more sophisticated OS
"regular defreg." is not essntial for the well function of the OS.
It's been done autotatically. You don't need to do it youself
as in early days. But if you insist on doing it here is a link
which explains the neeed of it.

5 ways to speed up your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/maintenance/speed.aspx

http://www.ehow.com/how_5737065_defragment-hard-drive-windows-7.html
 
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Ed Cryer

*I* didn't do anything. Mine came that way by default. Now if you delete
very large files, it's probably a good idea to defrag manually.
I think mine came that way too. But it also had lots of things happening
automatically (update checks, AV schedules etc.) and I immediately
switched them all off. I like to have full control over my desktop home
computer.

Ed

P.S. Look at this "toolbar hell";
http://j-walkblog.com/blog/images2/powerfulbrowser.jpg
 
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Paul

R. C. White said:
?Hi, John.

I agree with Ken Blake: You don't really need any defragger except what
is built into Win7.

Vista and Win7 do a much better job than prior Windows versions of
keeping themselves defragged.

But if you want to use a third-party defragger, have a look at
PerfectDisk 11 from Raxco (http://www.raxco.com/?products/downloadit/
). The price starts at about $30; a free trial is available. I've been
running my free copy of PD11 (and its predecessors) for several years
and it (a) works well and (b) stays out of my way in the background
except when I click it to see its reports.

RC
There is one advantage to PerfectDisk. It allows moving both data
and metadata files, away from the end of the disk. If you want to
shrink a partition by more than 50%, and have way more than 50% free,
PerfectDisk can help you when you go to use the Shrink option in
Disk Management.

I had a 250GB partition, and managed to shrink it to 30GB, using
repeated runs of PerfectDisk (30 day trial) and the shrink option.

The Windows 7 defragmenter, doesn't defragment large files. Files over
a certain size are not defragmented. The built-in defragmenter only
handles smaller files. And it does a thorough job on the smaller files.
For a test, I filled an external USB drive with 40GB of artificially
fragmented files (generated by a C program), and it did defragment
all of them. I didn't test the threshold, by making bigger and bigger
files. It could be, around 50MB or larger files, won't be defragmented
by the built-in defragmenter.

The only reason I'd recommend something like PerfectDisk, is if
you wanted to do partition shrinkage, and needed almost all the
structures on the disk, "moved to the left".

HTH,
Paul
 
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Mark Blain

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.
I use Puran Defrag's Free Edition occasionally on my Win7 64-bit pc.
I like the boot-time defrag feature that can defrag system files.
http://www.puransoftware.com/
 
P

Parko

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Whatever you use make sure you invest in an uninterruptible power supply.
Power out during a defragmentation operation equals data loss.
 
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Andrew Rossmann

Whatever you use make sure you invest in an uninterruptible power supply.
Power out during a defragmentation operation equals data loss.
It shouldn't be much different than regular data access during a power
outage. They use a standard Windows API. I assume it probably uses the
safe way: copy data to new location first, then adjust directory info to
point to it, then free up old space. Given NTFS's robustness and ability
to keep track of incopmlete changes, it will probably fix itself.
 
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Thip

Turtle said:
Hi everyone,

I am using Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
Am I better off using the Windows 7 Defragmention proram or can anyone
recomend a better program for this 64 bit Version?

The reason I ask is because when I used Windows Vista I used the O&O
Defragmention proram and had bad expierences.

Thanks in advance.
John
I've been very happy with Puran (free).

http://www.puransoftware.com/Puran-Defrag-Download.html
 
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Char Jackson

It shouldn't be much different than regular data access during a power
outage. They use a standard Windows API. I assume it probably uses the
safe way: copy data to new location first, then adjust directory info to
point to it, then free up old space. Given NTFS's robustness and ability
to keep track of incopmlete changes, it will probably fix itself.
Andrew's description has been my experience. Using Perfect Disk a few
years ago, the power blinked off for a second, but it was long enough
that the computer rebooted. I ran chkdsk and it found no issues, so I
restarted Perfect Disk and it continued where it left off.
 
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Char Jackson

The only reason I'd recommend something like PerfectDisk, is if
you wanted to do partition shrinkage, and needed almost all the
structures on the disk, "moved to the left".
I don't remember running into a partitioning tool that wasn't able to
move data as part of the resizing task, with the possible exception of
the native Windows Disk Management tool? I've always used third party
tools (starting with Partition Magic and ending with Acronis Disk
Director, with a few in between) and they have always taken care of
moving the data automatically.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Andrew's description has been my experience. Using Perfect Disk a few
years ago, the power blinked off for a second, but it was long enough
that the computer rebooted. I ran chkdsk and it found no issues, so I
restarted Perfect Disk and it continued where it left off.
And what did you say during that second? Something as strong as "Oh my
goodness"?

That must have been a very scary moment...
 
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Char Jackson

And what did you say during that second? Something as strong as "Oh my
goodness"?

That must have been a very scary moment...
It's a bit of an 'oh, crap' moment, but I'm very level headed and
don't get excited about things like that. It's not as bad as that
sinking feeling you get when you intend to clone one disk to another
and you end up cloning the empty disk onto the full one, resulting in
two empty disks. ;-)
 
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