Clean install with 64-bit Windows 7 OEM/upgrade?


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Ant

Hi!

Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
installations or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
(disc or HDD)?

Thank you in advance. :)
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Char Jackson

Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
installations
Yes.

or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
(disc or HDD)?
No.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

A

Ant

Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
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Dominique

Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them to
another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
different brand PC.

As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.

By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.
 
C

Char Jackson

Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
Microsoft has a certain business model in which they've spelled out
how they want their products used, specifically Retail versus Upgrade
versions. It's been the subject of much debate, but I don't think
anyone knows why they continue to allow the capability to use an
Upgrade version as if it were a Retail version. Certainly, if they
wanted to close the hole, they could easily do so.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Dominique said:
Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them to
another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
different brand PC.

As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.

By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.
You haven't answered Ant's question though - why retail full and retail
upgrade discs both exist. (Not Char's original question, that _did_ use
"OEM".)
 
X

xfile

Microsoft has a certain business model in which they've spelled out
how they want their products used, specifically Retail versus Upgrade
versions. It's been the subject of much debate, but I don't think
anyone knows why they continue to allow the capability to use an
Upgrade version as if it were a Retail version. Certainly, if they
wanted to close the hole, they could easily do so.
My two cents,

I read long time ago that the only reason for them to leave the hole is
to "spoil" the geeks and techies for whom usually wouldn't want to
purchase the full retail upgrade.

The revenue loss from leaving the hole is minimum to the point where the
company won't even notice since the major revenue stream is the OEM sales.

One can also consider that it's a promotion or marketing cost since the
*positive* opinions from geeks and techies are much more important than
the few bucks they would otherwise have contributed.
 
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Dominique

You haven't answered Ant's question though - why retail full and retail
upgrade discs both exist. (Not Char's original question, that _did_ use
"OEM".)
OK, I don't know why they both exist since MS allows to do a clean
installation with a Retail upgrade without a previous version.

Is there someone here who knows the answer?
 
K

Ken Blake

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> ?crivait


OK, I don't know why they both exist since MS allows to do a clean
installation with a Retail upgrade without a previous version.

Is there someone here who knows the answer?

To use a clean installation with an Upgrade, you don't need to have a
previous version *installed*, but you have to own a copy of a previous
version.
 
A

Ant

To use a clean installation with an Upgrade, you don't need to have a
previous version *installed*, but you have to own a copy of a previous
version.
Does MS check for this at all?
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Roy Smith

But even if you don't, it will install and activate?!... On new
hardware????...
With an upgrade version of Windows you either have to have a previous
version already installed on your hard drive, *_OR_* have the install
CD or DVD for a previous version of Windows. When doing the install
if the installer program doesn't detect a previous version of Windows
on your hard drive, it then asks for a install disc from a previous
version to be inserted in the CD/DVD drive. It then scans the disc to
make sure that it's a qualified disk before continuing the
installation.
 
S

Seth

Dominique said:
OK, I don't know why they both exist since MS allows to do a clean
installation with a Retail upgrade without a previous version.

Is there someone here who knows the answer?
It's purely a licensing issue.
 
D

Dominique

But even if you don't, it will install and activate?!... On new
hardware????...
OK...

I've read that you take an upgrade disk, you boot with it, you start a new
installation on new hardware but don't enter the key code and don't try to
activate. Once the the installation is complete, up and running you insert
the upgrade disk again and start an "upgrade installation" but this time
you enter the key code; it will install and activate.

I've never tried it so is it true or false?
 
S

Seth

Dominique said:
Dominique <me@domain.net> écrivait 88.198.244.100:

I've read that you take an upgrade disk, you boot with it, you start a new
installation on new hardware but don't enter the key code and don't try to
activate. Once the the installation is complete, up and running you insert
the upgrade disk again and start an "upgrade installation" but this time
you enter the key code; it will install and activate.

I've never tried it so is it true or false?

True
 
A

Allen Drake

Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them to
another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
different brand PC.

As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.

By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.

Is that old argument still going on about how you can't reinstall an
OEM if your system gets a motherboard replaced. If I remember this
correctly you need to reactivate or re-enter your product key but
because you have new hardware the OS thinks it is a different machine
and the new MoBo constitutes a new and different machine. I remember
one or more of the MS trained VIPs on the MS groups would be insisting
this can not be done. I have been away for some years now and have not
caught up on many issues.

Al.
 
C

Char Jackson

To use a clean installation with an Upgrade, you don't need to have a
previous version *installed*, but you have to own a copy of a previous
version.
In addition, the Upgrade version qualifies as a 'previous' version.
 
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C

Char Jackson

But even if you don't, it will install and activate?!... On new
hardware????...
Yes, the Upgrade version will install and activate on new (bare)
hardware. There are a few additional steps, compared to the Retail
version, but it works fine.
 

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