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Paul

Stan said:
Perhaps the relevant question is not "how do I?" but "should I?"
People tend to crosspost because it's easy, but very seldom are two
newsgroups equally relevant to a given issue.
It should be noted, that some news servers have extensive
cross-posting filtering. And your submission will be judged
by that filtering.

The more picky servers, may stop crossposts at three or four groups.
And if a soc.* group is included, stop the crosspost entirely
(as a study showed virtually all the inflammatory posts were
being crossposted, and it was an instant fix for abuse - it made
a dent in the traffic).

So if a cross-posted message is rejected, there are reasons.
The administrators have seen it all - and built filters for it.

Paul
 
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Bob Henson

Paul said:
It should be noted, that some news servers have extensive
cross-posting filtering. And your submission will be judged
by that filtering.

The more picky servers, may stop crossposts at three or four groups.
And if a soc.* group is included, stop the crosspost entirely
(as a study showed virtually all the inflammatory posts were
being crossposted, and it was an instant fix for abuse - it made
a dent in the traffic).

So if a cross-posted message is rejected, there are reasons.
The administrators have seen it all - and built filters for it.

Paul
That's true. Filtering out all cross posts and Google groups too gets rid
of nearly all the junk posts.
 
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Ken Blake

Perhaps the relevant question is not "how do I?" but "should I?"
People tend to crosspost because it's easy, but very seldom are two
newsgroups equally relevant to a given issue.

True, and crossposting is often a mistake. But as far as I'm
concerned, it's always better than multiposting, which was the point
here.
 
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Ken Blake

It should be noted, that some news servers have extensive
cross-posting filtering. And your submission will be judged
by that filtering.

The more picky servers, may stop crossposts at three or four groups.

That's good, not bad. With *very* few* exceptions, more than three or
four never makes any sense. It's almost always spam, rather than
meaningful crossposting.
 
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The Other Guy

Other readers may need to bear in mind that Avast! does the same thing of
which the OP complained. It now tries to install Google Chrome and the
Google toolbar,
THAT wasn't what made me switch.

AVG ignoring the 'ignore that directory' when doing a scan on reboot
WAS, as I had something installed (BY choice!) that it claimed was
bad, and it wouldn't just leave it alone.

And I have NEVER had any problem (in more than 15 years, at least)
with anything unwanted being installed, as I ALWAYS do 'custom'
installs.








To reply by email, lose the Ks...
 
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Timothy Daniels

[ . . . ] There's no doubt that MSE is
not quite as good as the others, but it's probably adequate for most
purposes. I guess that most average folk keep well away from the sort of
site (and programs) where danger lurks, in which case MSE is plenty good
enough. [ . . . ]
Until hackers find the backdoor that was left for the N*S*A and G*C*H*Q.

*TimDaniels*
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I had heard good things here about Microsoft Security Essentials
(MSE), but recent reviews on the Web make it sound pretty mediocre at
actually protecting you from malware.
Just today I turned on my computer to see a red tray icon for MSE.

When I opened the pane, it said that MSE's Real Time Protection (RTP)
had been turned off, so I clicked on the button to re-enable it.

After a long timeout, MSE said it couldn't restart RTP...

There was a link to a Microsoft site "for more info", but nothing I
could find there about the problem.

Finally I used Task Manger to kill it and then I reran the MSE
executable; this time I got a green tray icon.

This isn't my first problem like this, but the others were milder, i.e.,
easier to recover from...

I guess it's time for Avast or Avira...

Anyway, I'm just venting :)
 
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Stan Brown

That's good, not bad. With *very* few* exceptions, more than three or
four never makes any sense. It's almost always spam, rather than
meaningful crossposting.
With very few exceptions, more than two doesn't make sense. And even
two is used far more than it should be.

Yes, crossposting is better than multiposting. But posting to the
one most appropriate group, and only that group, is usually even
better.
 
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Buffalo

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
Just today I turned on my computer to see a red tray icon for MSE.

When I opened the pane, it said that MSE's Real Time Protection (RTP)
had been turned off, so I clicked on the button to re-enable it.

After a long timeout, MSE said it couldn't restart RTP...

There was a link to a Microsoft site "for more info", but nothing I
could find there about the problem.

Finally I used Task Manger to kill it and then I reran the MSE
executable; this time I got a green tray icon.

This isn't my first problem like this, but the others were milder, i.e.,
easier to recover from...

I guess it's time for Avast or Avira...

Anyway, I'm just venting :)
On my Win7 HE 64bit machine, MSE would ocassionally show up with a red icon
upon initial boot-up. I would just usually open it up and go to right page
and uncheck the real time protection box, click 'save' and then check that
box and click 'save' again and then it would turn green.
About a month ago, I tired of that stuff and uninstalled MSE and installed
the free Avast. I also run SpyWareBlaster and the pro MBAM.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message

On my Win7 HE 64bit machine, MSE would ocassionally show up with a red icon
upon initial boot-up. I would just usually open it up and go to right page
and uncheck the real time protection box, click 'save' and then check that
box and click 'save' again and then it would turn green.
About a month ago, I tired of that stuff and uninstalled MSE and installed
the free Avast. I also run SpyWareBlaster and the pro MBAM.
Yeah, that's more like what I called "milder".

Before today, occasionally I had the red icon with an "Unprotected"
status pop-up, but as soon as I opened the panel to investigate, the
icon turned green. Weird enough, and it did start me thinking about
switching to another AV program. Today's adventure might finally push me
past my preference for inaction :)
 
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Ken Blake

With very few exceptions, more than two doesn't make sense. And even
two is used far more than it should be.

No argument from me.

Yes, crossposting is better than multiposting. But posting to the
one most appropriate group, and only that group, is usually even
better.

No argument from me on that either.
 
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Steve Hayes

That's good, not bad. With *very* few* exceptions, more than three or
four never makes any sense. It's almost always spam, rather than
meaningful crossposting.
Except that there seem to be a number of alt. groups that seem designed to
serve exactly the same purpose.

Fro example:

alt.english.usage
alt.usage.english

and

alt.religion.christian
alt.religion.christianity
alt.christian.religion

If you want to solicit the views of people yuou know to be regular readers of
different groups, it makes sense to crosspost to both or all of them,
especially when their answers might be of interest to the others.

The thing to watch out for is topic drift, which makes it off topic in one or
more of the groups it is posted to.

For example, I have sometimes crossposted to soc.genealogy.computing and
comp.databases when asking about developing a database program for
genealogical research. If it drifts too far, it is time to change both the
subject and the newsgroup lines.

On the other hand, there is one troll who regularly crossposts to the
following groups:

sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,alt.atheism,alt.christnet.theology,alt.christnet.christianlife

and his messages have little to do with any of them.

But that is abuse, not legitimate use of crossposting.
 
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Steve Hayes

Yeah, that's more like what I called "milder".

Before today, occasionally I had the red icon with an "Unprotected"
status pop-up, but as soon as I opened the panel to investigate, the
icon turned green. Weird enough, and it did start me thinking about
switching to another AV program. Today's adventure might finally push me
past my preference for inaction :)
Mine is read now, and another foistware program that came with Avast, I think,
from McAfee, tells me that it is turned off, but when I go to MSE it tells me
that it is turned on.
 
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Steve Hayes

I guess that it triggers a downloader for Chrome rather than contains it -
as I've managed to avoid it so far, I don't know.
I think 90 Mb is a bit excessive for a mere antivirus program.
 
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Stan Brown

Before today, occasionally I had the red icon with an "Unprotected"
status pop-up, but as soon as I opened the panel to investigate, the
icon turned green. Weird enough,
MSE is on all the computers at work. Mine was red for a long time,
but has been green for the past month nor so.

Friday a colleague was showing me something on his computer, and I
happened to notice that his MSE icon was split down the middle, half
red and half orange. It's a crazy little beast.
 
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Buffalo

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
Yeah, that's more like what I called "milder".

Before today, occasionally I had the red icon with an "Unprotected"
status pop-up, but as soon as I opened the panel to investigate, the
icon turned green. Weird enough, and it did start me thinking about
switching to another AV program. Today's adventure might finally push me
past my preference for inaction :)
I had to actually go to the Settings page (I think it was the settings page)
and uncheck real time protection, click save, check (bolt) real time
protection and click save again to get it to go green again.
Another poster said something about McAfee being installed by Avast, but I
didn't let it do that. I think that option may have been on the Avast dl
page itself. So far, I am pleased with Avast and it is using less resources
than MSE did.
I
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I had to actually go to the Settings page (I think it was the settings page)
and uncheck real time protection, click save, check (bolt) real time
protection and click save again to get it to go green again.
Except in the more extreme situation that I vented about in

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

RTP wasn't checked and MSE hung up when I checked it.

If it happens again, though, I will be more careful about the existing
status, in case what I just said above is in fact incorrect (except, of
course, I never make mistakes!).
 

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