Newsreader for Outlook 2007 ??

[Char Jackson]

Real newsreaders have a host of features that make reading Usenet
easier. OE/WLM cover the basics. For many people that is adequate,
but once they use other newsreaders they find out what they've been
missing. A simple analogy would be something like comparing Notepad to
Word.

For years I used to say the same thing about OE versus just about
every other email client.

 

[Peter Foldes]

"bobster" <[email protected]> wrote:

That's one huge stretch of the imagination to believe WLM is a
newsreader!

XS11E

It is trying to be a newsreader but unfortunately I have to agree with you. More
issues than OE had through the years. Advised the team and they do not seem to give
a crap about what others think. So in essence it is not a newsreader as we know what
a newsreader is or supposed to be.

BTW: Long time no see or hear

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[Nil]

Let me add that since you use Xnews you may find Xananews lacking,
especially in the area of scoring. I don't use scoring or
filtering personally, but filtering is available. Like I said in
my initial post, Xananews is a real newsreader that OE users
shouldn't have much trouble adjusting to. The one thing it
doesn't do that OE did was set the Watch flag but that is a moot
point because the threads you participate in are colored and you
can set Bookmarks to desired threads. My favorite feature is
customizable keyboard shortcuts and a simple keyboard shortcut
will jump you to threads you have interest in.

OK, thanks for the tips. I'll keep at it for a while, but you may be
right - I rely on Xnews's scorefile feature and I guess I'm spoiled by
it.

I've been using Xnews for many years and I like pretty much everything
about it except it's archiving system. It's very primitive and
rudimentary, and it's a real PITA to find anything that's stored in
it's folders. If it wasn't for that I would probably not be even
looking elsewhere, but I've accumulated enough stuff over the years
that it's become a serious issue.

 

[Nil]

WLM 2011 is not a newsreader because Microsoft has
stopped supporting usenet newsgroups.

That is a complete non sequitur. Microsoft never "supported" usenet in
the first place, and their recent lack of participation does not make
WLM not a newsreader.

 

[Roy Smith]

Win 7 uses Live Mail. It's a great newsreader. Almost the same as
Outlook Express. Give it a try. (We can use your old computer at my
school, if you don't mind shipping it to NY.)

Sorry but a retail copy of Windows 7 does not come with any email or
news reader programs. If your PC came with Windows Live Mail installed,
then it was done by the manufacturer of your PC and not Microsoft.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Postbox 2.0.2
Monday, November 08, 2010 8:11:31 PM

 

[James]

Have any of you used this product, as a "plug-in" for Outlook, allowing
Outlook itself to be used as a news reader ??

http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/nntp/

Thanks!

James

 

[Valorie *~]

You got an OEM version of the O/S or do you have the O/S install DVD?

Only what I got from HP when these PCs were bought. They're called
SytemRecovery disks. Vista has WM on it which is what I'm using now.

 

[Valorie *~]

I had to replace the msoe.dll file once after an update, but have been
using WinMail for more a year now.

I've replaced it several times now. Do you know of a version of that .dll
that works in W-7?

First, you need access to a Vista machine.

On the Win7 machine, find the "Windows Mail" folder in Program Files.
Rename it to "OldWindows Mail" as a precaution.

I cannot rename it because of the *&^%^$#@ MS security crap call
"permissions" but did drag it to the desktop. In no way could I get
permission to rename the folder in either place. I can't delet it from the
desktop either thanks to MS.

Using a Flash or CD, copy the "Windows Mail" folder in its entirety from
the Vista machine.

Yes, that's how I got it there the first time.

Go back to the Win7 machine and copy the "Windows Mail" from the Flash or
CD to a location in Program Files.

Yep, did that already.

Open it and right click on the WinMail.exe file and send a shortcut to the
Desktop. Done.

How do I get it to open? Nothing happens when I click on it. It doesn't
open anymore and I don't get an error.

A few caveats: EML and NWS files will not open in WinMail, but rather
another e-mail client that you will need to have. WinMail also cannot be
made the default mail or news client.

No problem.... but how do I get WM to actually OPEN so I can use it once
installed on W-7?

Also see:
http://www.vistax64.com/general-discussion/191729-enabling-windows-mail-windows-7-a.html

#Next go to your programs folder and Windows Mail folder and take Ownership
of all the files in there, you will need to do this one file at a time and
Don't Forget to Give #Yourself FULL CONTROL of each file.

This doesn't work in HomePremium. First, all hidden files and folders are
exposed (I always set it that way) and there was and is no WM there. I can
add the folder/files from Vista but can't open the program. Also, there is
no way even if I found the original it came with, to give myself "full
control" of each file. When permissions gets involved no matter what we do,
we still get the "permission needed" window. Is there any way to do what
this site suggests in HomePremium? No matter when we've done to get rid of
this "Permissions" stuff we can't.

 

[Valorie *~]

A few caveats: EML and NWS files will not open in WinMail, but rather
another e-mail client that you will need to have. WinMail also cannot be
made the default mail or news client.

Also see:
http://www.vistax64.com/general-discussion/191729-enabling-windows-mail-windows-7-a.html

From that site:

--

Someone there wrote, "Someone sent me this solution. It worked
perfectly....."

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\eml_auto_file\shell\open\command

Double click on Default in right pane and change Value Data to exactly the
following:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1
~~~~~~~~~~
I know what the registry is so went there. In HomePremium there is no
eml_auto_file\shell\open\command in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes. I
wish people would mention what version of W-7 they're talking about.

:-( After HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes it starts with .html and

goes down the alphabet.

 

[Valorie *~]

Win 7 uses Live Mail. It's a great newsreader. Almost the same as
Outlook Express. Give it a try. (We can use your old computer at my
school, if you don't mind shipping it to NY.)

Because you may like it doesn't mean everyone will. My husband and I both
dislike it. There is no way to get all mail to download in one folder for
example. We just don't like the whole thing and can't find anything we like
better than WindowsMail that comes with Vista. Just look on the net and
you'll find many many people very unhappy with the bloated overweight WLM.

 

[Valorie *~]

Why is that? It's what I use on my Win7 machine. It's close enough to OE6
that, other than the color (or lack thereof), it's virtually the same
thing.

It's NOT the same thing. Far from it. Try and get all messages from all
your email addresses to download in the same folder for example. Try and
get all sent messages in one sent folder..... it really stinks.

 

[Valorie *~]

Because you may like it doesn't mean everyone will. My husband and I
both dislike it. There is no way to get all mail to download in one
folder for example. We just don't like the whole thing and can't find
anything we like better than WindowsMail that comes with Vista. Just look
on the net and you'll find many many people very unhappy with the bloated
overweight WLM.

"bloated overweight"
LOL! I just described myself!!!

 

[Valorie *~]

It's NOT the same thing. Far from it. Try and get all messages from all
your email addresses to download in the same folder for example. Try and
get all sent messages in one sent folder..... it really stinks.

"it really stinks"
Time for my dog to clean it for me.

 

[SC Tom]

It's NOT the same thing. Far from it. Try and get all messages from all
your email addresses to download in the same folder for example.

Try and get all sent messages in one sent folder..... it really stinks.

That's the way it works on mine. YMMV!
--
SC Tom
-There's no such thing as TMI when asking for tech support.

 

[Ken Blake]

Have any of you used this product, as a "plug-in" for Outlook, allowing
Outlook itself to be used as a news reader ??

http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/nntp/

I tried it (and a couple of others that did something similar) a while
back. I don't remember any details any longer, but I thought very
little of all of them. There have always been several better
newsreaders.

And I personally see no advantage to using the same program as both an
e-mail client and a newsreader. I would rather have two separate
programs.

 

[Char Jackson]

And I personally see no advantage to using the same program as both an
e-mail client and a newsreader. I would rather have two separate
programs.

+1

 

[Valorie *~]

That's the way it works on mine. YMMV!

Not mine. Each email address has it's own folders in WLM. You must have 1
email address.

 

[badgolferman]

Not mine. Each email address has it's own folders in WLM. You must
have 1 email address.

Setting up filters should take care of what you want. Create new
folders dedicated to your different e-mail addresses and then create
filters to have the messages routed to those folders. Even OE could do
that, although admittedly I have not used WLM so I don't know for sure
if that functionality is there.

 

[SC Tom]

Setting up filters should take care of what you want. Create new
folders dedicated to your different e-mail addresses and then create
filters to have the messages routed to those folders. Even OE could do
that, although admittedly I have not used WLM so I don't know for sure
if that functionality is there.

That will work in WLM just like it did in OE. In fact, IIRC, if Valorie had
any rules written to perform that in WM or OE, those rules could have been
exported and imported into WLM.

How do you justify stating categorically that WLM is not a newsreader if
you've never used it No answer necessary, it's just a rhetorical
question.

 

[badgolferman]

How do you justify stating categorically that WLM is not a newsreader
if you've never used it No answer necessary, it's just a
rhetorical question.

Hi Tom,

I have no desire to argue whether WLM is a newsreader or not since I've
really never used it. I was a user of OE for NNTP for many years
before I discovered Xananews and shortly after I started using it I saw
there were many useful tools that were not available in OE. The mere
fact that you must use OE-Quotefix to fix broken quoting, strip
signatures or even to bottom-post should signal that not much effort
was put into its development. It was merely an adequate newsreader.
As far as WLM is concerned, I cannot categorically reject it as a
newsreader since I don't have any experience with it, but I do know
that what most Usenet veterans consider *real* newsreaders will make OE
or WLM pale in comparison where it comes to the various tools and
abilities those other programs possess. Once you get used to article
scoring or filter usage or even the vast amount of viewing options that
*real* newsreaders have you just can't go back. Once again, I will
compare it to the difference between Notepad and Word or even Spam and
Rib Eye Steak.