List of Features Removed In Windows 7

B

Bob I

Of course I expect a record to be deleted, but I don't expect any items
linked to it to be deleted. You'd be in real trouble if deleting
Employee123_Location would also delete every other record of Employee123.

But that's what Library does. Library uses tags to select and present
filenames. Eg, "Trip to Erewhon" tag will display all pictures you took
on that trip. Some will also be tagged "Samuel Butler",say, or "Aunt
Emily", or whatever. If I delete the filename IMG_02001 in the folder
"Trip to Erewhon", why on earth would I want the file to be deleted? All
I want is for that filename to disappear from "Trip to Erewhon". I would
still want it to appear in "Aunt Emily"!

See?
Windows Help seems to state it fairly straight forward(see part REMOVE
vs DELETE).


If you delete files or folders from within a library, they're also
deleted from their original locations. If you want to remove an item
from a library but not delete it from the location it's stored in, you
should remove the folder containing the item. When you remove a folder
from a library, all the items in the folder will be removed (but not
deleted). For more information, see Include folders in a library.

Similarly, if you include a folder in a library and then delete the
folder from its original location, the folder is no longer accessible in
the library.
 
M

Metspitzer

Hello all.

Recently, I've been entertaining the idea of moving from
Windows XP to Windows 7.

I generally don't do things like this without some careful
consideration. In the course of my efforts to gain a little
insight, I stumbled upon the following web page, which may
be of interest to those who are considering upgrading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_7

I hope this info will be helpful to you.
I didn't read the entire list.

The feature I miss most are the cut, copy and paste icons from Windows
Explorer.

Windows used to boast about more than one way to do thing. Maybe
those will become new features in future releases.
 
C

Char Jackson

Of course I expect a record to be deleted, but I don't expect any items
linked to it to be deleted. You'd be in real trouble if deleting
Employee123_Location would also delete every other record of Employee123.
But that's not what happens. When you delete a file from a Library,
all the other files in that Library remain untouched.
But that's what Library does. Library uses tags to select and present
filenames. Eg, "Trip to Erewhon" tag will display all pictures you took
on that trip. Some will also be tagged "Samuel Butler",say, or "Aunt
Emily", or whatever. If I delete the filename IMG_02001 in the folder
"Trip to Erewhon", why on earth would I want the file to be deleted? All
I want is for that filename to disappear from "Trip to Erewhon". I would
still want it to appear in "Aunt Emily"!
Seems like what you really want is a way to remove a tag, not delete a
file. Do you see the difference, and do you see how it completely
eliminates your problem?
 
C

Char Jackson

It still seems strange to me that something as logical, clear cut, and
obvious as what you just wrote is going to be rejected :-(
I reject it because it's factually flawed. ;-)
 
C

Char Jackson

I didn't read the entire list.

The feature I miss most are the cut, copy and paste icons from Windows
Explorer.

Windows used to boast about more than one way to do thing. Maybe
those will become new features in future releases.
You can restore the missing icons with Classic Shell.

<www.classicshell.sourceforge.net>
 
W

Wolf K

If you delete files or folders from within a library, they're also
deleted from their original locations. If you want to remove an item
from a library but not delete it from the location it's stored in, you
should remove the folder containing the item.

Good grief! The whole folder! When I only want to remove one filename!

Wow! What a concept! Can't get rid of just one, so get rid of them all!

I give up.

Wolf K.
 
J

Jeff Layman

But that's not what happens. When you delete a file from a Library,
all the other files in that Library remain untouched.


Seems like what you really want is a way to remove a tag, not delete a
file. Do you see the difference, and do you see how it completely
eliminates your problem?
What seems fairly obvious here is that there is a complete polarisation
between those who love Libraries and those who hate them (if that's not
stating the obvious!).

When that happens, and particularly if each side just can't see the
other's argument, it usually means that something isn't right - that the
design. understanding, or use of a particular application hasn't been
thought through sufficiently.

I see parallels here with "The Ribbon". And the problem, once again, is
due to Microsoft's "you do it our way" philosophy. It's not even a
case of "you do it our way or you don't do it at all". If you don't like
Libraries, and don't want to use them, why are they pushed straight in
your face every time you open Windows Explorer or other file managers?
There they are at the top of the folders list, just below "Favorites"
(no, I have no use for that, either). You can't even move them out of
the way or down to the bottom of the folder list. Sure, if you're
geekified enough you can apply a registry hack to remove them, but that
brings its own problems. Strangely, other file managers do not show
"Favorites", but still show Libraries (although Explorer++ at least gets
them away from the top of the folder list).

You can be sure that there is nothing which annoys so much as something
which you can't do anything about, and keeps reminding you it is there.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

There they are at the top of the folders list, just below "Favorites" (no, I
have no use for that, either).
Ah! A chance to start a new OT argument!

Let's do it!

No, let's not...I won't even say whether I agree with you or not :)
 
X

XS11E

Gene E. Bloch said:
Ah! A chance to start a new OT argument!

Let's do it!

No, let's not...I won't even say whether I agree with you or not
:)
I disagree with your decision not to agree or disagree. <G>
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

I disagree with your decision not to agree or disagree. <G>
LOL!

Somehow this isn't turning into the subthread I thought I wasn't
starting :)
 
R

Roy Smith

I disagree with your decision not to agree or disagree. <G>
I agree that we all should agree to disagree.... :)


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 9.0.1
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:12:39 PM
 
B

Bob I

Good grief! The whole folder! When I only want to remove one filename!

Wow! What a concept! Can't get rid of just one, so get rid of them all!

I give up.
So remove the "offending file" from the folder that it is in. Simple, it
is not difficult. You include folders in a library because of what they
contain, IF what is contained in the folder DOESN'T fit the criteria of
the library, then DON'T include it. If files don't belong then don't put
them in there in the first place.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

So remove the "offending file" from the folder that it is in. Simple, it is
not difficult. You include folders in a library because of what they contain,
IF what is contained in the folder DOESN'T fit the criteria of the library,
then DON'T include it. If files don't belong then don't put them in there in
the first place.
Hmm. I thought one major idea of a library was to present files in one
or more additional organizations from that of the folder tree, which
itself may represent a desired organization.

To me, that includes the idea that a file that is in one tree, such as
All my photos, would be listed in libraries such as Family, Christmas,
& Chanukah. But now I just noticed a file that is OK in Christmas and
Family, but not Chanukah, so the solution is to move it from All my
photos, which removes it from all three libraries?

Nein, Danke.

BTW, I believe there are photo organizing programs that behave the way
I'd like, but of course that's not great if what I'm organizing is
spreadsheets or source code...

And it just occurred to me how playlists in iTunes behave. Guess what?
You can have a tune in three playlists, and you can remove it from one
without disturbing either the original track or the other two
playlists. I doubt that iTunes is unusual in that respect. But again,
no spreadsheets or source code :)

Since we have divided ourselves into two unchangeable camps (or might
there be others?) on this, I plan to shut up now - i.e., try to stop
posting - and just lurk in this thread :)
 
M

Metspitzer

I didn't read the entire list.

The feature I miss most are the cut, copy and paste icons from Windows
Explorer.

Windows used to boast about more than one way to do thing. Maybe
those will become new features in future releases.
Having to use right click from my laptop touchpad is very hard to do.
Bring back copy, cut paste for Windows Explorer.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Char Jackson said:
[]
But that's what Library does. Library uses tags to select and present
filenames. Eg, "Trip to Erewhon" tag will display all pictures you took
on that trip. Some will also be tagged "Samuel Butler",say, or "Aunt
Emily", or whatever. If I delete the filename IMG_02001 in the folder
"Trip to Erewhon", why on earth would I want the file to be deleted? All
I want is for that filename to disappear from "Trip to Erewhon". I would
still want it to appear in "Aunt Emily"!
Seems like what you really want is a way to remove a tag, not delete a
file. Do you see the difference, and do you see how it completely
eliminates your problem?
It seems that these "tags" are indeed what is wanted. Are they a feature
of libraries?

I'm with Wolf K in that I, too, had thought libraries worked in that
way, from the explanatory material I had seen. It is clear that they
don't - for a start, it (if I understand you rightly) seems you can't
"put" a file into a library, only a folder. But the assorted guidance
material Wolf and I have read is clearly badly written in some way if we
both thought this.

I won't express a view on libraries (I don't even have Windows 7, I just
take this 'group because I may have some day!); I'll just say that since
they _don't_ work in the way we thought - i. e. ways to make *files*
_appear_ to be in several places - then I can't think what I'd use them
for. But I'm sure there _is_ a reason/use for them as they are that I'm
just not seeing; I am not going to hate them.
 
C

Char Jackson

Having to use right click from my laptop touchpad is very hard to do.
Bring back copy, cut paste for Windows Explorer.
The standard keyboard shortcuts didn't go anywhere. Do those work for
you?
 
C

Char Jackson

Char Jackson said:
[]
But that's what Library does. Library uses tags to select and present
filenames. Eg, "Trip to Erewhon" tag will display all pictures you took
on that trip. Some will also be tagged "Samuel Butler",say, or "Aunt
Emily", or whatever. If I delete the filename IMG_02001 in the folder
"Trip to Erewhon", why on earth would I want the file to be deleted? All
I want is for that filename to disappear from "Trip to Erewhon". I would
still want it to appear in "Aunt Emily"!
Seems like what you really want is a way to remove a tag, not delete a
file. Do you see the difference, and do you see how it completely
eliminates your problem?
It seems that these "tags" are indeed what is wanted. Are they a feature
of libraries?
I'm under the impression that these 'tags' are associated with the
respective files themselves. For example, your digital camera no doubt
tags your photos with the date they were taken, the camera used, and
maybe some other bits of information. In addition, you can add
additional tags such as lat/long coordinates.

I don't see a way for the Win 7 Libraries function to add such tags,
but once they are in place by other means, the Library function can
take advantage of them.

At a more basic level, however, tags can be completely ignored. They
aren't a requirement to make Libraries work.
 
J

James Silverton

The standard keyboard shortcuts didn't go anywhere. Do those work for
you?
Yes, I can't understand what's difficult about CTRL-C or CTRL-X and
then CTRL-V.

I may have mentioned this before but I also find installing PureText to
paste only ASCII characters to be very useful. You can define a key and
I use CTRL-0.
 

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