Gaining control in w-7

[Paul]

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...37-take-ownership-shortcut-take_ownership.zip


I open things like that with 7ZIP for a look. Or use whatever
archive tool you like to do the same thing.

Add_Take_Ownership.reg
Remove_Take_Ownership.reg

These are registry files.

When I extract the first one, and right click it (in the WinXP
of my current machine), it does list "Merge" as the top item.
I'm not going to Merge it though, because I'm not prepared...

The tutorial says, if no merge option is offered, or clicking
on a .reg file yields no result, try:

"NOTE: If you do not see a Merge option when you right click
on the REG file, then you will need to check in Default Programs
to set the reg file extension to have it's Current Default
program set as Registry Editor (C:\Windows\regedit.exe).
Afterwards, try merging the REG file again."

There is a tutorial for Default Programs, here. You can check
out your .reg association.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/9154-default-programs-associate-file-type-protocol.html


(It might even be possible to open Regedit, and suck in a file
like that. Just a guess.)

Paul

This is what it would look like in WinXP, when checking the
association for REG (a .reg file).

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6224/toolsfolderoptionswinxp.gif

I'm only showing you that, to help jog your memory. Windows 7
uses a different panel.

Paul

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

(It might even be possible to open Regedit, and suck in a file
like that. Just a guess.)

Yep. File | Import, and navigate to the desired file. Carefully.

Always have a good backup of whatever will be clobbered...

 

[Joe Morris]

Having been unable to accomplish things with an administrator account
that I *could* accomplish when I logged on as The Administrator, I must
respectfully disagree with you.

OK; we're even. <grin>

The one class of cases I've run into where "Administrator" had special
significance involves programs whose designer was {stupid, incompetent,
inattentive, etc} and coded into the program logic a test for the current
username to be "administrator." These programs would abort if any other
account name was found, regardless of its permissions.

I'm not saying that I know everything about Windows; I certainly do
not...but I have yet to encounter a situation where the system gave special
operational privileges to the LA account. Could you describe some examples?

Joe

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

I can see that. I can't find much of the things I've looked for. Or I
have to waste a lot of time finding them. I can't see any benefit to
changing their names or where they're located in W7. In WindowsExplorer
I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. The W7 OS
is very disappointing. And all the Permissions and other safety crap is
annoying as hell.

Install Classic Shell and tell trusted user to allow YOU access.

 

[Tony]

You have to use windows xp corporate or volume license edition. None of that
shit exists on it.

I started a new thread since it's a different subject. How do I do away
with all the irritating and aggravating "permissions" in W-7? I can't take
control of anything and I'm the Administrator. How is all this crap shut
off or shut down? Under Properties (for a dll file for example) I can't
change anything. It's grayed out. I don't even feel like I own the W-7
computer.

Please, anyone... how do I stop this 'permission' craziness?

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[Gene E. Bloch]

OK; we're even. <grin>

The one class of cases I've run into where "Administrator" had special
significance involves programs whose designer was {stupid, incompetent,
inattentive, etc} and coded into the program logic a test for the current
username to be "administrator." These programs would abort if any other
account name was found, regardless of its permissions.

I'm not saying that I know everything about Windows; I certainly do
not...but I have yet to encounter a situation where the system gave special
operational privileges to the LA account. Could you describe some examples?

Joe

It's been a while, so the details have faded (and I *have* thought about
it since I posted my reply above). The most recent such events happened
early in the history of this computer, about a year and a half ago. So I
do apologize.

I only remember that something got to be doable after I switched user to
The Admin...

After I come back from lunch I'll Google on Administrator related
subjects to see if anything I turn up helps jog my memory. And that
might actually happen: I just wrote a note & stuck it on my monitor (no,
on the bezel, not on the LCD panel!).

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

It's been a while, so the details have faded (and I *have* thought about
it since I posted my reply above). The most recent such events happened
early in the history of this computer, about a year and a half ago. So I
do apologize.

I only remember that something got to be doable after I switched user to
The Admin...

After I come back from lunch I'll Google on Administrator related
subjects to see if anything I turn up helps jog my memory. And that
might actually happen: I just wrote a note & stuck it on my monitor (no,
on the bezel, not on the LCD panel!).

And I did Google.

Nothing reminded me of the problems I claim that I had to solve by
becoming The Administrator...

Having said that, I did manage to see sites that described the
difference between "The" and "An" as being only this: The Administrator
doesn't ever have to elevate a command or respond to a UAC prompt.

If that's all there is, then perhaps it was *my* problem back in the
day: perhaps I simply didn't adequately understand the privileges of An
Administrator, including elevation.

But I just did an experiment, based on my vague memories of the old
problems: I tried to access the user folder for a guest account I have
here (for when I want to let a visitor use this computer). With or
without an elevated Explorer, I can't get there unless I consent to get
permanent access, which I don't really wish to do. I'll have more to say
in ten minutes...

I also managed to see plenty of sites that understood the problem less
than I did, or that mostly just obfuscated the situation.

There were also sites that only discussed the mechanics of setting up
accounts or of enabling and disabling The Administrator account. There
was enough of that, that I possibly gave up too soon trying to find my
signal among the noise today.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

But I just did an experiment, based on my vague memories of the old
problems: I tried to access the user folder for a guest account I have
here (for when I want to let a visitor use this computer). With or
without an elevated Explorer, I can't get there unless I consent to get
permanent access, which I don't really wish to do. I'll have more to say
in ten minutes...

OK, 31 minutes.

It seems either I haven't logged on to The Administrator on this
machine, or if I did, I didn't set it up for me. Probably the former.
Which might mean that it's been even longer than I thought since I
(thought I) had to be The Administrator. Plus I'm pretty rusty about the
process of switching users. Plus I had to set up for a new pot of
coffee.

My further experiment was to switch user to The Administrator and try to
access the user directory I mentioned above.

And the result is effortless access to all the user directories here.

Interestingly, the links to My Documents et al are not visible when I am
The Administrator, so I couldn't try to click on them. Oh geez. I just
realized why. I forgot to reconfigure Explorer to show all. Dolt

 

[Joe Morris]

And I did Google. [...]

Having said that, I did manage to see sites that described the
difference between "The" and "An" as being only this: The Administrator
doesn't ever have to elevate a command or respond to a UAC prompt.

Aha! I think you found the key to our disagreement.

I'll still assert that there are no special privileges attached to the LA
account...but there are some policy controls that affect its behavior, and
some of them involve everybody's favorite feechur, UAC.

One of the policies is named "Admin Approval Mode for the Built-in
Administrator Account"; if the policy is disabled (from my professinal
perspective, a very unfortunate default) then any program run under the LA
account is run with full elevated privileges, whether it asks for them or
not. If the policy is enabled, elevation occurs only when required, and
demands a response from the user to approve it.

The LA account still has no unique privileges, even though there are
policies that uniquely affect its behavior.

I don't know where (or if) the policy can be changed in home editions of
Win7, but for Pro/Ultimate/Enterprise users, run GPEDIT.MSC and in the left
pane navigate to:

Local Compuer Policy
Computer Configuration
Windows Settings
Security Settings
Local Policies
Security Options

then in the list of policies in the right pane, locate:

User Account Control: Admin Approval Mode for the Build-in Administrator
account

There are several interacting policies involving UAC but this one is
probably what gave the impression of special privileges for the LA.

Joe

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Interestingly, the links to My Documents et al are not visible when I am
The Administrator, so I couldn't try to click on them. Oh geez. I just
realized why. I forgot to reconfigure Explorer to show all. Dolt

OK, I'm starting to function again

These links (I have forgotten their name) are now visible, but
permission is still denied even wearing my Administrator cape.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Aha! I think you found the key to our disagreement.

And as I said (OK, confessed!) where you clipped,
"If that's all there is, then perhaps it was *my* problem back in the
day: perhaps I simply didn't adequately understand the privileges of An
Administrator, including elevation."

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Aha! I think you found the key to our disagreement.

And as I said (OK, confessed!) where you clipped,
"If that's all there is, then perhaps it was *my* problem back in the
day: perhaps I simply didn't adequately understand the privileges of An
Administrator, including elevation."

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

Well, not totally.

After all, to gain access to any other accounts from my regular admin
account, I either accept Windows's offer to gain permanent access, or I
log in as The Administrator.

I'd rather leave the permission structure untouched, so I do like the
second option much better. That's just esthetics or superstition,
however. Anyway, I *think* I recall that attempts to gain access haven't
always succeeded for me.

I haven't bothered to learn about the alternative method: taking
ownership. That's mostly because the current situation is good enough
for me, so my motivation is minimal. That's an intellectually deficient
approach, though

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

Aha! I think you found the key to our disagreement.

And as I said (OK, confessed!) where you clipped,
"If that's all there is, then perhaps it was *my* problem back in the
day: perhaps I simply didn't adequately understand the privileges of An
Administrator, including elevation."

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.

When is the last time you saw one?

(visions of a protest against the phone company removing a phone
booth and destroying a piece of comicbook heritage)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Char Jackson]

After playing a bit (after I put my Administrator cape on[1]), that mea
culpa still stands.

[1] Holy moley! It's sure hard to find a phone booth these days.

You know we can see you in there, right?

 

[Char Jackson]

OK... I was thinking about the delete button in WindowsExplorer above the
pane. I'd loop what was to be deleted and click on the X botton above the
pane.

If that particular feature is important to you, check out a small
program called Classic Shell. Any search engine will find it.

 

[Char Jackson]

Thank you! I installed it and there's the delete X button, back in
WindowsExplorer. :^) I guess those other guys didn't know what I was
talking about, but you did.

Oops, I just suggested the same program. I see that you've already
found and installed it.

 

[Nil]

Not in W7 HomePremium. Even logging in as The Administrator the
choices are grayed out and I can't gain the control needed to
remove, rename or delete a dll file. MS took that power away
also.

I'm quite sure that is NOT true, as I was able to do it in Windows 7
Starter Edition, with is the most basic version available.

I described the method to you already in detail, but chose to ignore
it.

 

[RH Breener]

In fairness to Bob, you should have mentioned that you use a different
keyboard for each application.

Me, I just use one keyboard for everything. That way, my Delete key is
always right where it should be.

I have one KB also.

 

[RH Breener]

Yes, highlight the file and press the delete key. This is not rocket
science.

OK... I was thinking about the delete button in WindowsExplorer above the
pane. I'd loop what was to be deleted and click on the X botton above the
pane.

 

[VanguardLH]

Thanks, but that doesn't get rid of the Permissions/Installler/Admin stuff
that's irritating me since I bought the PC. I want to get rid of that. I
never needed it before and don't want it now.


There are two accounts now. THE Admin account, and AN Admin account. I
can't take ownership of anything because when I click on properties and try
to do something, it's grayed out no matter which account I use. Right
clicking gives no choice to Take Ownership. I have HomePremium. How do I
get rid of that dll in WindowsMail in W7?

Sorry, but I'd be focusing on moving to a newer and more robust e-mail
client than trying to do a frankenjob on the OS in trying to resuscitate
an Outlook Express clone. Others have probably give you enough info to
see if you can ressurect Windows Mail in Windows 7. I've never bothered
to try that.

In another thread, you said that you don't care for Thunderbird but
didn't mention why. I suspect it is because you aren't familiar with
Thunderbird and want something close to Outlook Express (but you have
the Home edition of Windows 7 which means no XP Mode - but see the
following paragraph).

If you have a free license for Windows XP then you could use VMWare
Player to install it as a guest OS. Since Windows XP comes with
Internet Explorer, and since that was the last version of IE that
bundled in Outlook Express, then you would have OE available under
Windows XP running in a virtual machine. VMWare is claiming their
latest version of VMWare Player is better than XP Mode. Well, their
virtual machine is definitely better but such a claim might mean they
also provide the seamless integration available with XP Mode (so it
looks like the virtualized OS running your app looks like it is running
under your host OS). VMWare Player is free for personal use.

You might like some other free e-mail client, like those listed at
http://email.about.com/od/windowsemailclients/tp/free_email_prog.htm.
Another list of e-mail clients (some of which are free) is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients. Or you could
give up on local e-mail clients as many users do and go with your e-mail
provider's webmail client.