Confused about todays updates


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DanS

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You are confused. I didn't even address that yet.


I know, but you did defend XP SP3 (tooth and nail I might
add) and any problems with it had nothing to do with
Microsoft.
Uh....not quite.

I said your "proof" of why you should never update Windows,
because MS always screws up updates, then you posted...the
HP/XP SP3 update issue...was laughable because the end of the
article, it said you were wrong. Everyone and your mother that
had ever read about, also read the same thing....HP f'd up.

Now, you want to turn that into I defended SP3 tooth and nail?

You are such a lying scumbag...and yes...scumbag is the right
term.

I was pointing out how much a friggin retard you are for
citing something that said exactly opposite what you wanted it
to....nothing more, nothing less....just as the other people
telling you the *exact* *same* *thing* as I, which you didn't
address.

Of course, they are far smarter than me, apparently, because
they stopped talking to you.

Is this how it always works for you?
 
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BillW50

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DanS said:
Uh....not quite.

I said your "proof" of why you should never update Windows,
I never said that! I said I even update Windows on some my computers. It
is all part of my experiments. And the ones that are not updated runs
better and nothing to fix than those that gets updated and I do have to
fix occasionally. Get the story straight!
because MS always screws up updates, then you posted...the
HP/XP SP3 update issue
I didn't say Microsoft always screws up updates either. As I have
installed some updates without any problems whatsoever. I did say though
that changing the OS even through updates does carries some risk though.
Get the story straight.
...was laughable because the end of the
article, it said you were wrong. Everyone and your mother that
had ever read about, also read the same thing....
I never said I was wrong at all.
HP f'd up.
Virtually everybody did what HP did, including Microsoft. I said all of
this before. And I also said I have read many articles about this and
the fault was mixed. Some say Microsoft and some say HP.

Those that blame Microsoft include:

Windows XP SP3 Sows Havoc, Users Complain
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/207600950

Blame XP SP3 problems on Microsoft, Symantec says
http://www.scmagazine.com/blame-xp-sp3-problems-on-microsoft-symantec-says/article/110556/

Windows XP SP3 Problems Continue
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Windows-XP-SP3-Problems-Continue/

Issues with XP SP3 plague many - TechSpot News
http://www.techspot.com/news/29993-issues-with-xp-sp3-plague-many.html

Both HP and Microsoft deny they were responsible of course. I am sure
the lawyers pushed them to deny any fault. That is what high priced
lawyers say. And what HP did, only had a problem with SP3 and nothing
else. No other update caused a single problem. And in the end what
happened after both denied responsibility? Microsoft fixed SP3. Go
figure.
Now, you want to turn that into I defended SP3 tooth and nail?

You are such a lying scumbag...and yes...scumbag is the right
term.
Nope, just the opposite. I see your inexperience clouding your judgment
and you just don't know how to find out the truth. As if Microsoft says
it isn't there fault, you are good with that. Well I know better than
that and I need to dig deeper.
I was pointing out how much a friggin retard you are for
citing something that said exactly opposite what you wanted it
to....nothing more, nothing less....just as the other people
telling you the *exact* *same* *thing* as I, which you didn't
address.
Nope, everything is totally on track for me. As I look at all of the
evidence. You on the other hand hear Microsoft say it isn't our fault
and you are done. Me on the other hand have to hear the story from all
sides.
Of course, they are far smarter than me, apparently, because
they stopped talking to you.
Who are we?
Is this how it always works for you?
No the intelligent ones admit that I am right and the inexperienced
ones... well it takes them a few decades.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

There is an old saying that don't fix what isn't broken. But many continue to
fix what isn't broken all of the time and then wonder why they have problems.
;-)
Assuming, of course, one always can tell whether anything is broken...
 
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DanS

Who are we?


No the intelligent ones admit that I am right and the
inexperienced ones... well it takes them a few decades.
BS. I've been doing these MS groups for YEARS now, and the
people here that I consider experienced, well-informed, &
knowledgeable, the ones that I have seen, and have seen me
here, for years, from the WindowsXP.general, to *.vista.*, and
now to Win7.general, the ones that *actually help people*, all
think you're a flake.

Even those (still/) once considered trolls think you're a
flake.

You're full of yourself. Get over it.
 
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BillW50

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DanS said:
BS. I've been doing these MS groups for YEARS now, and the
people here that I consider experienced, well-informed, &
knowledgeable, the ones that I have seen, and have seen me
here, for years, from the WindowsXP.general, to *.vista.*, and
now to Win7.general, the ones that *actually help people*, all
think you're a flake.

Even those (still/) once considered trolls think you're a
flake.

You're full of yourself. Get over it.
Typical cognitive dissonance attitude there Dan. Since you can't
discredit my sources, you then attack the messenger. And since I have
been helping people with computers over 35 years, I've seen a lot during
this time. And let's review the parts of my post that you have clipped
out.

Everybody sees what you are doing here Dan. You are not helping people
at all. You are here making up false accusations against others. So if
you want some credibility, you need to have
some reliable references.
 
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DanS

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Typical cognitive dissonance attitude there Dan. Since you
can't discredit my sources, you then attack the messenger.
And since I have been helping people with computers over 35
years, I've seen a lot during this time. And let's review
the parts of my post that you have clipped out.
No, let's not, because your a pompuous ass, and a waste of
time.

I say that *based on the exact things you say*, like.....

If that isn't the ramblings of a conceited, stuck-up, holier-
than-thou, narcissitic, a-hole......I don't know what is.
 
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BillW50

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DanS said:
No, let's not, because your a pompuous ass, and a waste of
time.

I say that *based on the exact things you say*, like.....


If that isn't the ramblings of a conceited, stuck-up, holier-
than-thou, narcissitic, a-hole......I don't know what is.
No Dan! You make things up and create false slander about other people.
Which some people find despicable! And no, I have no interest sinking
down to your level. As why would I? And if you want to sound creditable,
you are going to need to have some reliable references. Although you
have heard all of this before and you never seem to have the time to do
it.
 
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DanS

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No Dan! You make things up and create false slander about
other people. Which some people find despicable! And no, I
have no interest sinking down to your level. As why would
I?
I don't know....why did you ALREADY do it ?

Need an example? How about the of brought up HP/XP SP3
issue.....

You started claiming I defended SP3 as "perfect" strictly
because the article *you* cited as to proof that MS constantly
f'ups updates said the problem was with HP and not MS.

I like how you replied to my post from nearly the beginning of
the thread, and *then* replied to that one, days later,
talking about all the "proof" you cited that I ignored, yet
when I wrote the post you actully replied to, you hadn't yet
posted anything.

Right or wrong, left or right, up or down, in or out, makes no
difference. Just your tactics disqualify you from ever being
taken seriously. You are very trollish.
 
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Ray

You must mean me. My evidence? I am still reading this whole thread, so
obviously I need to resume my meds - and somehow, you knew.
:)
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

That's fine.

I was KF'd by a Lintard version of BillW because I refused to
accept the "fact" that he knew everything about Windows, yet
hadn't used any version of Windows since NT4, and was only
exposed to XP a few times at a friends house...and nothing
since.

I've got the post right here...it's quite funny.......
<snip funny story>

Makes you wonder about some folks, doesn't it?
Have you KF'd Gignews ? I'm not too "up" on KFs, expecially
with Outlook Express.
Well, I'm now on a new system with a new newsreader (trying out Xnews)
and your posts are appearing just fine - I'll chalk it up to sunspots or
somesuch and just keep moving!
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

And.....this was just one case of an ongoing battle you and your
customers had with MS updates repetitely over the years ?
I think you missed that this was posted by Robert, who largely agrees
with keeping systems updated as a part of proper system maintenance...

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

You must mean me. My evidence? I am still reading this whole thread, so
obviously I need to resume my meds - and somehow, you knew.
:)
It might work better if you put your reply *before* the signature
delimiter :)
 
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DanS

Zaphod Beeblebrox <[email protected]>
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(Geez.....you'll probably hate seeing my posts now.)
I think you missed that this was posted by Robert, who
largely agrees with keeping systems updated as a part of
proper system maintenance...
I don't know Robert, nor his philosophy, and had only replied
with my question so I could get a full understanding of his
experiences with updates...possibly this one he mentioned
because it affected a large number of his clients, but there
could have been many other personal experiences he had, or
ones that affected far fewer of his clients but not worth
mentioning, etc.

I don't/didn't know the answer, and preferred to ask for
clarification rather than make some broad all-encompassing
assumptions of the rest of the story.
 
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BillW50

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Zaphod said:
I think you missed that this was posted by Robert, who largely agrees
with keeping systems updated as a part of proper system maintenance...
The truth is if you update, it carries some risks. It is also true if
you don't update, it carries some risks. So I believe everybody should
be knowledgeable on the pros and cons so they can make an educated
decision what they should do personally.

For me, I hate fixing updates that had gone wrong. It is like working on
a client's machine and they screwed up and then try to fix it themselves
and make it far worse than before. Just today I caught up updates on my
Windows 7 machine. And I had it set to *not* update to SP1. But one of
the updates must have reset the hidden list. As it too got installed.
Now my TV tuner plays like crap under the Media Center. Choppy and
blocky as hell. It also lowered my Windows Experience Index base score
by a lot. Just wonderful!
 
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Robert Sudbury

Very much so.

.... and today is a big day for servers.

Zaphod Beeblebrox said:
I think you missed that this was posted by Robert, who largely agrees
with keeping systems updated as a part of proper system maintenance...

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.


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--
[Robert]


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Robert Sudbury

There was no rest of the story implied or required really.

I did however reply with a mostly positive experience.

To ignore the resource of Windows Updates as part of your Disaster
Prevention plan, is something best left for the foolhardy or the unemployed.

Unfortunately, the best laid plans of mice and men can certainly be
unravelled by a tiny bit of social engineering.

This being a patch week, I'm kinda busy.

DanS said:
Zaphod Beeblebrox <[email protected]>
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(Geez.....you'll probably hate seeing my posts now.)


I don't know Robert, nor his philosophy, and had only replied
with my question so I could get a full understanding of his
experiences with updates...possibly this one he mentioned
because it affected a large number of his clients, but there
could have been many other personal experiences he had, or
ones that affected far fewer of his clients but not worth
mentioning, etc.

I don't/didn't know the answer, and preferred to ask for
clarification rather than make some broad all-encompassing
assumptions of the rest of the story.








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signature database 6783 (20120110) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com
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[Robert]


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Robert Sudbury

I know what. Let's start a discussion on posting styles ... }8)

Gene E. Bloch said:
It might work better if you put your reply *before* the signature
delimiter :)

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BillW50

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Robert said:
To ignore the resource of Windows Updates as part of your Disaster
Prevention plan, is something best left for the foolhardy or the
unemployed.
I don't know if you ever played chess or not. But the more moves you can
think ahead of the possibilities, generally the better player you are.
Now only examining Windows Updates as part of your Disaster Prevention
plan indeed is a very sounding. Although thinking moves further, the
plan starts to fall apart.

Pros for Windows Updates:

1) Is said the keep your system secure

Cons against Windows Updates

1) "It's not uncommon for major operating system updates to cause
problems. Typically, the glitches are due to conflicts with software,
such as drivers, system files, or applications already resident on the
user's PC."
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/207600950

"... every service pack release has had some serious growing pains"
http://www.techspot.com/news/29993-issues-with-xp-sp3-plague-many.html

2) "However, it can be easily shown that this window can be several
years long. For example in 2008 Microsoft confirmed a vulnerability in
Internet Explorer, which affected some versions that were released in
2001. The date the vulnerability was first found by an attacker is not
known, however the vulnerability window in this case could have been up
to 7 years."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack

3) Recent study shows that Windows 98 and Windows 2000 are the safest
Windows OS to deter malware vulnerabilities.
http://net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1863

I could go on about the cons, but this will do for now. And it has been
my belief that an up-to-date AV real-time scanner will stop malware dead
in its tracks regardless of the security holes in the OS. And since
Microsoft is so slow to plug security vulnerabilities, I too believe
Microsoft also knows trusting in security fixes is just a futile attempt
for security. Otherwise they would take this more seriously. But
pretending they are serious is good PR.

I also have placed about 6 computers up as test computers. I stopped
updating them 3 to 4 years ago and I have monitored them for malware
infections. And so far, none of them has ever been infected. I credit
this from Avast ability to stop malware dead in its tracks, despite the
lack of security updates on a given machine.

So I personally question the value of security updates as a means of
prevention? As the evidence above and there are far more I didn't even
talk about that points to security updates are the weakest link to
security and it isn't to be trusted to protect one's system. As there
are far better methods of security to keep systems malware free.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zaphod Beeblebrox <[email protected]>
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(Geez.....you'll probably hate seeing my posts now.)
Nah, I'll be fine - as long as you are a good boy of course ;-)
I don't know Robert, nor his philosophy, and had only replied
with my question so I could get a full understanding of his
experiences with updates...possibly this one he mentioned
because it affected a large number of his clients, but there
could have been many other personal experiences he had, or
ones that affected far fewer of his clients but not worth
mentioning, etc.

I don't/didn't know the answer, and preferred to ask for
clarification rather than make some broad all-encompassing
assumptions of the rest of the story.
Fair enough, but his philosophy was fairly clear (to me, at least)
from his other posts in the thread. My assumption was that you had
seen them - perhaps a bad assumption on my part.
 

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