G
Gene E. Bloch
I thought there was a claws in your contract forbidding you to make or
propagate jokes like that.
propagate jokes like that.
B
Bob I
Umm, the power receptacle is connected to the lamp? Got it!In common parlance, you always connect an output to an input. In this
case, the laptop has the output and the TV has the input, so we would
say the laptop is connected to the TV rather than saying the TV is
connected to the laptop.
B
Bob I
And you connect the speakers to the computer? Perhaps it is what holdsNope, I connect the antenna to the TV (or actually, the cable). As
Char said, you connect the output to the input.
the receptacle that determines what is the "connectee"!
B
Bob I
Insert Tab A into Slot B!Now there's a hypothesis that can be tested. A quick survey of "connect
A to B" suggests it's correct. Well done, Ken!
W
Wolf K
Well, I wouldn't say most, leastways not without pretty good data, whichAdditionally, Linux doesn't run its users by default with admin (root, in
Linux-speak) privileges. That one thing makes Linux more secure as
almost all malware needs write access to System areas or direct hard
drive write access to the boot sector, the Master Boot Record, etc. to
work which Linux users don't have. How many Windows users do you know
who never create a user account at all, but just run as the Administrator
all the time? That's an infection waiting to happen. And it does, all
the time. Security starts with secure design philosophy.
Stef
I doubt is easily available. Se we're really left with speculations
based on general impressions and some understanding of what malware is
designed to do. I think the aim of most malware these days isn't so much
to cripple another system as to use it. AIUI user-level permissions are
all that's needed to send phishing spam, or denial of service attacks,
or copies of itself, etc. If a user has access to databases, then it's
irrelevant that (s)he doesn't have system level permissions: the malware
can see whatever data the user sees, which is often enough for the
attacker's purposes.
To put it another way: if you can figure out what a user _could_ do, you
can write malware that exploits those capabilities beyond what the user
_would_ do.
Or so it seems to me.
Wolf K.
W
Wolf K
Well, I prefer to think he's a subtle so'n'so. ;-)Not really. He misread it and confused "when you meet a car" withNice one!On 27/02/2012 3:44 AM, Allen Drake wrote:
Oh, so then you connected your TV to your PC. Now I get it. I
thought you connected your PC to your TV. [...]
Ah, now I get it. When you meet a car, you are driving towards it, but
it's not driving towards you.....
;-)
You completely lost me with that one. My car and I met a long time
ago now we drive together every where we go.
"when you meet YOUR car", which completely misses the point.
Wolf K.
C
choro
No, you connect the computer sound output to the amp first, beforeAnd you connect the speakers to the computer? Perhaps it is what holds
the receptacle that determines what is the "connectee"!
connecting the speakers to the amp. (See, the order is reversed with
speakers and amps!) ;-)
If you use active speakers, the amp is built inside one of the speakers.
A stupid setup if ever there was one!
-- choro
C
choro
Claws? Are you talking about crab claws, by any chance?I thought there was a claws in your contract forbidding you to make or
propagate jokes like that.
Here...
http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-Cook-Crab-Claws-99836168
-- choro
A
Allen Drake
It's known as the Sanity Claws.I thought there was a claws in your contract forbidding you to make or
propagate jokes like that.
G
Gordon
I cannot see how the MANNER in which a computer is used has any bearingThe answer is that MS and many here in these groups think all
computers are used in the same manner when they are not.
whatsoever on the lack of security (i.e. vulnerabilities from either
hackers or malicious software) caused by not applying critical updates,
unless that machine is totally isolated from the internet and never has
any files copied to it from removable media...
G
Gordon
There must be vast numbers according to the posts on Microsoft AnswersHow many Windows users do you know > who never create a user account at all, but just run as the Administrator
all the time? That's an infection waiting to happen. And it does, all
the time. Security starts with secure design philosophy.
which contain the phrase "I am the Only user and Administrator...." ans
when I have suggested that there is no need to run as an Administrator
on a daily basis in Windows 7 they just poo-poo it.....the problem being
I think is that it was highly inconvenient to run as a Standard User in
XP (can't remember what the situation was in W2K) and they just transfer
that mindset to Windows 7....
G
Gordon
Yes it does - although not the highest level of Admin privilegesNeither does Windows 7, right?
nevertheless the first User account created is indeed an Admin - so if
the User only creates one User account then it's an Admin!
The built-in Administrator account is disabled by default.With Win 7? None that I know of.
G
Gordon
That makes no sense at all. Why should how the computers are USED makeassumes I they are simply
general use computers.
any difference to patching the OS?
A
Allen Drake
Because if the systems I use never change and never go online or getThat makes no sense at all. Why should how the computers are USED make
any difference to patching the OS?
email and it runs fine then why upgrade or update anything? That is
asking for trouble. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
A
Allen Drake
I cannot see how the MANNER in which a computer is used has any bearing
whatsoever on the lack of security (i.e. vulnerabilities from either
hackers or malicious software) caused by not applying critical updates,
unless that machine is totally isolated from the internet and never has
any files copied to it from removable media...
As I indicated several of my systems are isolated from the Internet
except for rare occasions. Many like my DVR system have not gotten
updates in years. Would I need to go online to get that DVR computer
updated? I bet you say no. Then why would I need to update my video
editing machine or my CAD system?
G
Gordon
I said "machines totally isolated from the internet" - but how do youAs I indicated several of my systems are isolated from the Internet
except for rare occasions. Many like my DVR system have not gotten
updates in years. Would I need to go online to get that DVR computer
updated? I bet you say no. Then why would I need to update my video
editing machine or my CAD system?
update your AV, assuming that you introduce files to these machines from
outside sources? Many viruses are transmitted through removable media...
G
Gordon
So you never introduce files from a third-party source, so you don'tBecause if the systems I use never change and never go online or get
email and it runs fine then why upgrade or update anything? That is
asking for trouble. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
need any AV protection that needs to be updated?
B
BillW50
In
creates. Currently I am fixing the following machines that an update has
screwed up:
Windows 2000: I can't update OE5.5 and IE5 to IE/OE6 without the
add/remove being broken. And the left panel of Explorer is blank. Plus
there are other problems. I never had this problem years past with
IE/OE6 and Windows 2000 before.
Windows XP: .NET is broken for updates. What a mess! And I regret
installing SP3 on my XP computers. SP2 works far better for me.
Windows 7: SP1 made my TV tuner video choppy under Media Center and
lowered my Windows Experience Index. Fun! Fun! Fun!
yet. Sure once back in 2001 on a Windows 2000 machine without a
firewall, I got a virus that never got a chance to run while getting
Windows updates. And my AV found it and got rid of it right away. And
recently the 7th of this month, a trojan ended up on this machine in
fact. But once again it never got a chance to run because my AV stopped
it and deleted it.
or even years. Most Windows users doesn't have that problem because they
are so vigilant against malware, it is discovered and weeded out right
away. Here is a good example of the Linux community totally blinded and
missed a trojan on Gentoo's official repositories. Funny, no mention how
many actually downloaded that backdoor.
Linux: Infected by Complacency
http://computingondemand.com/linux-infected-by-complacency/
others's people's computers and clean up their malware infections. They
are easy to fix compared to updates that goes wild (video coming soon to
a website near you - lol)!
I used to do that too. But I get tired of fixing problems the updatesGordon said:Sheer luck more like. I take all the critical updates for whatever OS
creates. Currently I am fixing the following machines that an update has
screwed up:
Windows 2000: I can't update OE5.5 and IE5 to IE/OE6 without the
add/remove being broken. And the left panel of Explorer is blank. Plus
there are other problems. I never had this problem years past with
IE/OE6 and Windows 2000 before.
Windows XP: .NET is broken for updates. What a mess! And I regret
installing SP3 on my XP computers. SP2 works far better for me.
Windows 7: SP1 made my TV tuner video choppy under Media Center and
lowered my Windows Experience Index. Fun! Fun! Fun!
I have been running Windows since '93 and I have never had an infectionI am running when they are released and I have only had ONE infection
ever, in over 20 years, when I accidentally connected a pre-SP1 XP
machine to the internet, when Windows Firewall was turned off by
default.
yet. Sure once back in 2001 on a Windows 2000 machine without a
firewall, I got a virus that never got a chance to run while getting
Windows updates. And my AV found it and got rid of it right away. And
recently the 7th of this month, a trojan ended up on this machine in
fact. But once again it never got a chance to run because my AV stopped
it and deleted it.
Really? If a Linux user gets infected, it can go undetected for monthsWhy do you think that there are hardly any viruses for Linux
in the wild? One reason is because when a vulnerability is identified
the patch is released almost immediately and people UPDATE!
or even years. Most Windows users doesn't have that problem because they
are so vigilant against malware, it is discovered and weeded out right
away. Here is a good example of the Linux community totally blinded and
missed a trojan on Gentoo's official repositories. Funny, no mention how
many actually downloaded that backdoor.
Linux: Infected by Complacency
http://computingondemand.com/linux-infected-by-complacency/
Yeah right! Malware *never* gave me any problems. And I work on manyI've never heard so much balarney about reasons NOT to update.
others's people's computers and clean up their malware infections. They
are easy to fix compared to updates that goes wild (video coming soon to
a website near you - lol)!
G
Gordon
As one person commented - that was because of an irresponsible serverLinux: Infected by Complacency
http://computingondemand.com/linux-infected-by-complacency/
admin - nothing to do with the security of Linux itself.
B
BillW50
In
have been running Windows since '93 and I have never had an infection
yet. Plus the rule is to make plenty of backups. Yes I have updated
religiously before and made zillions of backups. And the only good the
backups were good for was to undo what the updates had screwed up.
Then back in 2008, I bought my first netbook. It was an Asus EeePC 4G
(with a 4GB SSD) and Windows XP SP2 installed. And something like 400MB
free on the SSD. And if you try to update, XP runs out of disk space and
Windows will crash. And if it gets bad enough, Windows will refuse to
even boot. Now you are really screwed and you still don't have updates.
Now listening to you Einsteins for years, I figured without security
updates this netbook will be plagued by malware all of the time. And I
used it heavy for a year and nothing. No malware infections at all. I
thought how was that possible?
So I had taken 6 other computers to use in an experiment and stopped
updating them too to see what would happen. This was over three years
ago and no malware problems with them either. And the only machines that
have problems are the ones that get updates. Pretty strange, eh?
You people have been trying to scare the snout out of us for decades! IGordon said:Then why specifically mention W2K in your sig?
Still head in sand. Real time AV is only PART of your defences.
You also should have a fully patched and up to date OS - which you
cannot possibly do with W2K....
have been running Windows since '93 and I have never had an infection
yet. Plus the rule is to make plenty of backups. Yes I have updated
religiously before and made zillions of backups. And the only good the
backups were good for was to undo what the updates had screwed up.
Then back in 2008, I bought my first netbook. It was an Asus EeePC 4G
(with a 4GB SSD) and Windows XP SP2 installed. And something like 400MB
free on the SSD. And if you try to update, XP runs out of disk space and
Windows will crash. And if it gets bad enough, Windows will refuse to
even boot. Now you are really screwed and you still don't have updates.
Now listening to you Einsteins for years, I figured without security
updates this netbook will be plagued by malware all of the time. And I
used it heavy for a year and nothing. No malware infections at all. I
thought how was that possible?
So I had taken 6 other computers to use in an experiment and stopped
updating them too to see what would happen. This was over three years
ago and no malware problems with them either. And the only machines that
have problems are the ones that get updates. Pretty strange, eh?
Ask a Question
Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?
You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.