AOL Dialup & Windows 7

[GreyCloud]

On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...

All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.

You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.
This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.
What more do you want?

It seems that maybe *your* newsreader isn't doing such a good job... eh?

 

[Char Jackson]

The reason is the costly support for one year. Around $500... and I can
buy a new PC each year for that cost.

I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?

 

[Char Jackson]

Roy Smith wrote:
On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...


All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.

You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

 

[GreyCloud]

I'll probably regret asking, but who is making you pay support?

Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
be vulnerable or useless.

 

[Char Jackson]

Oracles new policy... or no software updates. In time the system will
be vulnerable or useless.

I suspect you're not the typical end user.

 

[GreyCloud]

Roy Smith wrote:
On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

"Stan Brown" wrote in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they still send
those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's comments...


All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but not
his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm commenting about.
You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
changed to another color?
If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
that is either a bug,
or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

 

[Roy Smith]

Char Jackson wrote:
Roy Smith wrote:
On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access
number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send
those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
comments...


All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
not his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
commenting about.
You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
changed to another color?
If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
that is either a bug,
or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
that they will be in any big rush to fix it.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:23:34 AM

 

[GreyCloud]

I suspect you're not the typical end user.

Correct. 2 vax-4000s OpenVMS and 1 sun sparc.
HPs contracts are far too expensive and the support for hardware is gone.
The license fees for OpenVMS is still too prohibitive for an individual.
I've done mostly DOD programming since 1967 till 1993.
In the early days it was IBM and fortran IV with punch cards, then
Univacs, a couple of
custom military computers, then Sperry Rand using Ultrix, then VAX with
VMS along with
Sun workstations. It paid the bills.

 

[GreyCloud]

Char Jackson wrote:
Roy Smith wrote:
On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access
number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up
all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send
those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
comments...


All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
not his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
commenting about.
You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
changed to another color?
If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
that is either a bug,
or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
that they will be in any big rush to fix it.

That is usually a sign from a company that they aren't interested in it
anymore
and going to something else. I've seen that happen before in the past.

 

[Char Jackson]

Correct. 2 vax-4000s OpenVMS and 1 sun sparc.
HPs contracts are far too expensive and the support for hardware is gone.
The license fees for OpenVMS is still too prohibitive for an individual.
I've done mostly DOD programming since 1967 till 1993.
In the early days it was IBM and fortran IV with punch cards, then
Univacs, a couple of
custom military computers, then Sperry Rand using Ultrix, then VAX with
VMS along with
Sun workstations. It paid the bills.

Fine, but none of that addressed the question of why you're paying a
support contract. Am I supposed to assume you bought a bunch of
military surplus equipment and felt you had to buy a support contract
to go with it? So far it's not making any sense.

 

[Char Jackson]

Char Jackson wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
Roy Smith wrote:
On 2/7/2011 12:04 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:57:01 -0800, "bettablue"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access
number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up
all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send those out in the mail?


**Support our 2nd Amendment Rights!**
Because, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
~Bertrand
Russell
In case it's not obvious to you, (I can assure you that it's
obvious
to the rest of us), your posting style is a complete mess.

Your newsreader didn't properly attribute the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't properly quote the post to which you
replied.
Your newsreader didn't trim the previous poster's sig.
Your newsreader didn't properly add a sig delimiter.

Is the junk at the end of your post part of the post itself, or
is it
supposed to be sig delimited? My head hurts...

That's odd... his post comes in well formatted here.
Well you're not seeing the whole post as Agent does what a proper
newsreader does and clips text after a signature delimiter. Here's
the
entire post with the signature delimiter munged and then you'll
understand:

[..Beginning of post...]

in message

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:30 -0600, BobbyZ wrote:
So they need to install the AOL 9.6 software on the W7 machine.
However, they need to connect in order to download the software.
But - and here's the Catch-22 part - the Windows 7 dialup
connection will not support the AOL access number/username/password
combination. "Error 691".
(Please set a reasonable line length.)

I think all they have to do is wait: AOL disks keep turning up all
over. Or they could call AOL and ask for a disk. Or you could
download the software for them, burn a disk, and mail it to them.



*-*-*
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...


Bettablue Writes:

Hmmm. I haven't seen an AOL disk in a couple of years. Do they
still send
those out in the mail?


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[...End of post...]

So as you can see here, you were not even seeing Bettablue's
comments...


All it shows is that his sig line is a bit excessive in length, but
not his post or actual comments.
According to usenet etiquette, four lines should suffice. But the
newsreader formatting is
proper as my newsreader presents it... and that is all I'm
commenting about.
You're so confused. The sig line you're talking about contains the
entire contribution from bettablue. Everything above that is from the
previous poster. I guess your newsreader isn't doing such a good job,
after all.

My newsreader is doing a fine job. The sig delimiter is -- and
everything below and including it are grayed out.

OK, that's the problem then. Thanks for confirming. You're looking at
Stan's post without realizing that there's an entire new post (from
bettablue) contained within Stan's sig. That's part of the poor
formatting I'm talking about. Replies to posts should never be IN the
previous post's sig.

This is the way it is supposed to work. I saw all of his comments and
the lines show up correctly here.

Yup, Stan's post was fine, we agree on that, but all this time I've
been talking about bettablue's follow-up to Stan's post. Her post is
entirely contained within Stan's sig, which hopefully explains to you
why you missed it till now.

I had to change the sig coloring to red just to see it better.
Odd that blue typed inside and under the sig delimiter.
If I recall the conversation, blue is using WLM 15?
Does it use the sig delimiter and does everything after the sig line
changed to another color?
If the color isn't changed and stays the same as the regular text, then
that is either a bug,
or a possible setting in the program that a user could change.

The problem with WLM 2011 (build 15) is that it doesn't strip away a
signature from quoted text, nor does it add and quote markers at the
beginning of each line of quoted text. It used to work in previous
versions, and since MS has done away with running a news server I doubt
that they will be in any big rush to fix it.

That is usually a sign from a company that they aren't interested in it
anymore
and going to something else. I've seen that happen before in the past.

It's common knowledge and has been mentioned here many times that
Microsoft has chosen to move away from Usenet newsgroups and toward
web forums. Their reasons are their own, but what they're doing is no
mystery.

 

[GreyCloud]

Fine, but none of that addressed the question of why you're paying a
support contract.

I was paying for one for hardware maintenance and software maintenance
of the o/s.
A ma and pa PC shop won't be able to fix or replace a motherboard. The
compilers
need support for bug fixes. And the cost is going up. Now that I have
retired, I still
use the machines but don't need the support contracts anymore. Besides,
the work
to be done on these machines has gone down fast in the last few years.

Am I supposed to assume you bought a bunch of
military surplus equipment and felt you had to buy a support contract
to go with it? So far it's not making any sense.

No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
o/s bug fixes,
you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
support, eventually
the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
I have are getting
long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
less costly.

 

[Char Jackson]

No, they weren't mil surplus. On the Sun machine, in order to get any
o/s bug fixes,
you have to purchase a basic support contract. So in time, without that
support, eventually
the o/s becomes more vulnerable over time. Besides, all of the machines
I have are getting
long in the tooth and I really need to get something more modern and
less costly.

Thanks for indulging my questions. Since the answers don't make much
sense and I'm not any closer to understanding your situation, not to
mention the fact that your hard line returns give me vertigo, I'm
afraid I have to bow out. Good luck to you and welcome to the group.

 

[GreyCloud]

Thanks for indulging my questions. Since the answers don't make much
sense and I'm not any closer to understanding your situation, not to
mention the fact that your hard line returns give me vertigo, I'm
afraid I have to bow out. Good luck to you and welcome to the group.

Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.

As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.

I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
information that are here. And thank you.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Well, I'll try this one more time without the hard breaks. Without a
support contract for the operating system, I will not be able to get any
software updates to the operating system. IOW, they aren't free like
Microsoft does. It is cheaper for me now to just go out and buy a new PC.

As for the hardware, I can't just go out and buy a new motherboard
anymore let alone things like keyboard or mouse. The vax side, the
keyboard and mouse use proprietary connectors that I can't find anymore.

I do find the group interesting to read for the many tidbits of
information that are here. And thank you.

Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it

 

[GreyCloud]

Thanks for getting rid of the hard line breaks. It makes a world of
difference in readability, and I, for one, appreciate it

It is an old fortran coding habit ... always had to be careful of column
72, so I was always sensitive to overflowing the field. This habit
lasted since 1968, and a hard one to break. (still got the urge to hit
the return key)

 

[Alexios]

Fsck you arsehole troll!
*plonk*

Be nice kids :'(

 

[Alex Karras]

So otherwise you'd enjoy kissing my ass, eh?

such manners :-@

 

[chrisv]

Be nice kids :'(

*plonk*

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

It is an old fortran coding habit ... always had to be careful of column
72, so I was always sensitive to overflowing the field. This habit
lasted since 1968, and a hard one to break. (still got the urge to hit
the return key)

Well, if you're going to do that, then you are *required* to put a
sequence number in columns 73-80 of every line in all of your posts.

(I can't believe I said that!).

12HBye for now.