MSE #10 in PC World top 100 products of 2010

[brkkab123]

Microsoft Security Essentials scored another victory. I just recieved the December 2010 issue of PC World today.This issue has an article about the 100 Best Products of 2010. MSE is #10. The only other security products in the list are Norton Antivirus 2011 at #37 and PC Tools Internet Security 2011 at #51. Microsoft Office beats the last two at #19.
Another big win for Microsoft.

 

[TorrentG]

The list is corrupted. Norton should be at the extreme very end, even if there were 10 million entries. So take it all with a grain...

(It's a magazine which has advertisers....hrmmmm....draw your own conclusions.)

But yes, MSE is perfect as I always say....it's the only antivirus which can not and does not cause bsods.

 

[catilley1092]

You can't take PC World's word for anything. When I bought this desktop last November, it was rated best out of three computers for the best sub $750 computer. Looking back, there was mine, a Dell (I would've never bought that one) and a Toshiba.

I should have bought the Toshiba, although it had only 3GB RAM, and not much more impressive specs than mine had, the main parts were in a tower, and there would have been room for any upgrades that I wanted. About all that I could do to upgrade my HP MS214 all in one was upgrade the RAM to 4GB and upgrade the hard drive to 1TB (man, it killed me to see that Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB at Newegg for $79.99, with discount code). Windows just delivered an update to support 2TB drives (KB2249857). I could have easily held at least fifty VM's with that drive.

But my point is PC World's "reviews", like TG stated, take it with a grain of salt and go on. Had I done so, I'd be sitting here with one of those six core AMD CPU's, a 1GB video card, and at least 6GB RAM. It may have taken a new MOBO to have done it (mabye not), but I'd be there by now.

I no longer take PC World's word on nothing, period.

Cat

 

[brkkab123]

Norton shouldn't have made the list

Norton or PC Tools don't belong on the list at all. But, readers were also allowed to vote out of there list. I only selected MSE. The rest of the items I could select, I could care less about any of them.Office 2010 is on the back burner for now. Maybe next summer I'll replace Office 2007 with it. I've got other things coming ahead of it though.Like a new all-in-one printer (next month), hdtv(January, X- Box 360 for transferring WMC to hdtv (February), and a decent sound card for this pc. Then in early summer a MSI or Asus 890FX motherboard. Then I'll think about Office 2010.

The list is corrupted. Norton should be at the extreme very end, even if there were 10 million entries. So take it all with a grain...

(It's a magazine which has advertisers....hrmmmm....draw your own conclusions.)

But yes, MSE is perfect as I always say....it's the only antivirus which can not and does not cause bsods.

 

[brkkab123]

Don't use them or PC Magazine for Computer reviews

Cat, don't use PC World or PC Magazine for computer reviews befor making decisions on what to buy. Use Maximum PC (www.maximumpc.com) or Computer Power User (www.computerpoweruser.com)- also known as CPU magazine instead.

You can't take PC World's word for anything. When I bought this desktop last November, it was rated best out of three computers for the best sub $750 computer. Looking back, there was mine, a Dell (I would've never bought that one) and a Toshiba.

I should have bought the Toshiba, although it had only 3GB RAM, and not much more impressive specs than mine had, the main parts were in a tower, and there would have been room for any upgrades that I wanted. About all that I could do to upgrade my HP MS214 all in one was upgrade the RAM to 4GB and upgrade the hard drive to 1TB (man, it killed me to see that Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB at Newegg for $79.99, with discount code). Windows just delivered an update to support 2TB drives (KB2249857). I could have easily held at least fifty VM's with that drive.

But my point is PC World's "reviews", like TG stated, take it with a grain of salt and go on. Had I done so, I'd be sitting here with one of those six core AMD CPU's, a 1GB video card, and at least 6GB RAM. It may have taken a new MOBO to have done it (mabye not), but I'd be there by now.

I no longer take PC World's word on nothing, period.

Cat

 

[catilley1092]

Norton or PC Tools don't belong on the list at all. But, readers were also allowed to vote out of there list. I only selected MSE. The rest of the items I could select, I could care less about any of them.Office 2010 is on the back burner for now. Maybe next summer I'll replace Office 2007 with it. I've got other things coming ahead of it though.Like a new all-in-one printer (next month), hdtv(January, X- Box 360 for transferring WMC to hdtv (February), and a decent sound card for this pc. Then in early summer a MSI or Asus 890FX motherboard. Then I'll think about Office 2010.

You'll like Office 2010 Professional Plus, if you can swing it ($500+ taxes). If not, Office 2010 Standard does well too, for a lesser cost.

I bought a Kodak ESP3250 all in one printer about three months ago, I caught it on sale from Kodak/Digital River (don't know the connection between the two) for $69, with free shipping. It prints pictures as good or better than the ones you get at the drug stores, and I use genuine Kodak papers, not store brands like the drug stores do. Plus, Kodak inks are the least expensive of all of the name brands, and lasts longer. Their name brand ink costs less than store brands of many other models. I can buy a refill pack (one color, one B&W) for $29 at most stores, and you can print many pictures with it.

I also selected MSE, but have it backed up with MBAM 1.50, and the ESET Online Scanner, an app that I highly recommend to anyone. It truly deep scans your system, usually scanning longer than your installed AV does. Plus it's free.

Cat

 

[brkkab123]

I'm getting a Epson

I'm getting a Epson Artisan 725 and Office Home & Student. I don't need anything other than what's in Office 2010 Home & Student. Word's really all I use. Excel occasionally. Power Point never. Windows Live Mail is good enough. The Kodak printer's don't print the color's in pictures correctly (too much orange). The Epson has good reviews and looks more modern. Yeah, it cost's a little more, but I'm getting it next month from Newegg or Amazon during the Christmas sales.

You'll like Office 2010 Professional Plus, if you can swing it ($500+ taxes). If not, Office 2010 Standard does well too, for a lesser cost.

I bought a Kodak ESP3250 all in one printer about three months ago, I caught it on sale from Kodak/Digital River (don't know the connection between the two) for $69, with free shipping. It prints pictures as good or better than the ones you get at the drug stores, and I use genuine Kodak papers, not store brands like the drug stores do. Plus, Kodak inks are the least expensive of all of the name brands, and lasts longer. Their name brand ink costs less than store brands of many other models. I can buy a refill pack (one color, one B&W) for $29 at most stores, and you can print many pictures with it.

I also selected MSE, but have it backed up with MBAM 1.50, and the ESET Online Scanner, an app that I highly recommend to anyone. It truly deep scans your system, usually scanning longer than your installed AV does. Plus it's free.

Cat

 

[Nibiru2012]

Any review from a magazine such as PC World and others of its ilk are to be suspect in the least!

So far as any place that I would trust of reviewing AV or IS applications would be: www.av-comparatives.org

There are a couple of other websites also, but av-comparatives does an excellent job and keeps their results updated on usually a quarterly basis.

Also, contrary to some popular opinion, nothing... I mean nothing made, designed, created or whatever by a human being is "perfect". It is inherently flawed because humans are flawed. So to state that a program is perfect is somewhat fallacious.

Some AV software works extremely well and with little user input or action, while others are more demanding and can be a royal pain in the rear. That's why there's the free market so the consumer may decide what works best for their own particular situation.

The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA. Both are VERY user friendly, very efficient, fast and do their job they're designed for. Yes, these are programs which one must purchase, so be it. The both have their little flaws and quirks which some may find annoying, others wouldn't.

In the end, it's the end-users choice to decide what works best for them. That's why the majority of AV and IS applications give usually a minimum of a 14 to 30 day trial period.

However, we could continue to argue about which AV application is the best until First Contact is made! These always remind me of the arguments theologians had back in the Middle Ages, trying to decide how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

 

[brkkab123]

Very True

Very true. It's nice to see MSE score higher than Norton and McAfee in the same week, though. As far as trusting there reviews on pc's or components, you always have to wonder if somebody bought off whoever at the magazine. I do check the site's you listed, along with Matousek's for firewall's, etc. It's nice to see the magazine's proving Symantec's and McAfee's claims wrong on getting better a/v and a/s protection from there paid products that are resource hog's. Wouldn't you agree ?

Any review from a magazine such as PC World and others of its ilk are to be suspect in the least!

So far as any place that I would trust of reviewing AV or IS applications would be: www.av-comparatives.org

There are a couple of other websites also, but av-comparatives does an excellent job and keeps their results updated on usually a quarterly basis.

Also, contrary to some popular opinion, nothing... I mean nothing made, designed, created or whatever by a human being is "perfect". It is inherently flawed because humans are flawed. So to state that a program is perfect is somewhat fallacious.

Some AV software works extremely well and with little user input or action, while others are more demanding and can be a royal pain in the rear. That's why there's the free market so the consumer may decide what works best for their own particular situation.

The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA. Both are VERY user friendly, very efficient, fast and do their job they're designed for. Yes, these are programs which one must purchase, so be it. The both have their little flaws and quirks which some may find annoying, others wouldn't.

In the end, it's the end-users choice to decide what works best for them. That's why the majority of AV and IS applications give usually a minimum of a 14 to 30 day trial period.

However, we could continue to argue about which AV application is the best until First Contact is made! These always remind me of the arguments theologians had back in the Middle Ages, trying to decide how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

 

[TorrentG]

The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA

I never claimed that these apps can't have an excellent track record for a given particular user. I am however, claiming that MSE is the only antivirus that can never be the cause of a bsod under any circumstances or in any given situation.

So with respect to stop errors, a.k.a. "bsod", yes MSE is absolutely 100% perfect.

ESET, GDATA and all others are not. There is not a day that goes by that I don't see ESET crashing machines. It's usually, but not always, a version that is half a year old. The new one does it too.

As for GDATA. I don't think I've even even seen it installed on a machine out of 10s of thousands of crash dumps I've looked at.

 

[Nibiru2012]

As for GDATA. I don't think I've even even seen it installed on a machine out of 10s of thousands of crash dumps I've looked at.

That's because it's not highly advertised or marketed, probably that's why a one year subscription only cost $29.95 !

I found out about it at av-comparatives by looking at their test reviews where it always ranks in the top 3 to 4 AV and IS applications. (Plus only those of us with alien implants are aware too. )

 

[TorrentG]

lol Well cool. Sounds like you found a winner there. I mean, I've heard of it before...but ya...never have seen it installed ever. Not even in crashes that were definitely caused by other things....very rare for sure.

 

[Nibiru2012]

From the G DATA Website:

G Data Software AG is 25

G Data Software AG, with its head office in Bochum, is an innovative and quickly expanding software house focusing on IT security solutions. As a specialist in Internet security and pioneer in the field of virus protection, the company, founded in Bochum in 1985, developed the first antivirus program more than 20 years ago, and in 2010 is celebrating its 25th birthday. Consequently G Data is amongst the eldest security software companies in the world. Over more than five years, no other European security software provider has won national and international tests and awards more frequently than G Data. When it comes to quality, G Data is a world leader, combining the world's best security technologies in its products. Examples of this are its DoubleScan technology, with two independent virus scanners, and OutbreakShield instant protection. G Data security solutions are available worldwide in more than 60 countries.

 

[brkkab123]

Tried Gdata

I bought and tried Gdata a little over a year and a half ago after reading good reviews about it. It got annoying though. It uses 2 seperate av engines, which seriously slows down both web browsing and downloads. I also, had a problem with the product not accepting the product key after a clean install of Vista. Ther company took about three month's to refund my money. Not good at all.tried

I never claimed that these apps can't have an excellent track record for a given particular user. I am however, claiming that MSE is the only antivirus that can never be the cause of a bsod under any circumstances or in any given situation.

So with respect to stop errors, a.k.a. "bsod", yes MSE is absolutely 100% perfect.

ESET, GDATA and all others are not. There is not a day that goes by that I don't see ESET crashing machines. It's usually, but not always, a version that is half a year old. The new one does it too.

As for GDATA. I don't think I've even even seen it installed on a machine out of 10s of thousands of crash dumps I've looked at.

 

[brkkab123]

I've had no infections with MSE.The only problem I had was it saying all of a sudden that Windows wasn't genuine, even though it is and I have WGA installed for the updates that need it. Any way a uninstall and reinstall of MSE solved the issue.

 

[Nibiru2012]

I've had no infections with MSE.The only problem I had was it saying all of a sudden that Windows wasn't genuine, even though it is and I have WGA installed for the updates that need it. Any way a uninstall and reinstall of MSE solved the issue.

Precisely my point from the earlier post; it if was "perfect" then you wouldn't have to go through with that bovine scatology.

 

[TorrentG]

So with respect to stop errors, a.k.a. "bsod", yes MSE is absolutely 100% perfect.

it if was "perfect"

See what I did up above there in this post?

Anyhow, his re-install necessary was probably not due to MSE itself. It was probably because of something else he had installed that messed things up with respect to being genuine. It's an extremely common issue that users have, at no fault or issue from Microsoft. MS can't be blamed for 3rd party software developers choosing to create stuff that works in ways Microsoft did not intend to have working on the OS.

 

[Nibiru2012]

It uses 2 seperate av engines, which seriously slows down both web browsing and downloads. I also, had a problem with the product not accepting the product key after a clean install of Vista. Ther company took about three month's to refund my money. Not good at all.tried

I have had no problem with the separate AV engines at all, they DO NOT slow down either web browsing or downloads. There is a feature to scan downloads as they occur, but that can be disabled if it get annoying.

Not accepting the key, you must have done something wrong.

Three months getting a refund is unacceptable though.

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[brkkab123]

Only thing I did at the time was...

Only thing I did at the time was do a clean install of Vista Ultimate and reinstall GData Internet Security & paste the product key from there email from my purchase. It wouldn't accept there product key. Nothing on that pc had changed, other than doing the clean install to remove gunk from the year prior.Now does that sound like I did anything wrong. It was also right after they started selling it in the U.S.

I have had no problem with the separate AV engines at all, they DO NOT slow down either web browsing or downloads. There is a feature to scan downloads as they occur, but that can be disabled if it get annoying.

Not accepting the key, you must have done something wrong.

Three months getting a refund is unacceptable though.

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[Nibiru2012]

Usually there's a user name and a serial key for the setup to continue, both of which are generated by G DATA