XP to W7 update on Laptop

[DanS]

Which is common with truth for those above the curve, is it
not?

The 2% group I was referring to is the group of PC users that seems to suffer from every
conceivable problem that ever existed under Windows, any and all versions, while the
other 98% have a problem or two once in a while.

Another trait of this 2% group is that many of them are self-proclaimed (computer)
geniuses, yet they stil pile on problem after problem after problem, and it's *never* their
fault, when the only commonality between it all is them.

 

[BillW50]

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The 2% group I was referring to is the group of PC users that seems
to suffer from every conceivable problem that ever existed under
Windows, any and all versions, while the
other 98% have a problem or two once in a while.

Another trait of this 2% group is that many of them are
self-proclaimed (computer) geniuses, yet they stil pile on problem
after problem after problem, and it's *never* their fault, when the
only commonality between it all is them.

People who don't turn over stones won't find such problems Dan. Just
look at all of the people who use Notepad everyday and are totally
clueless about the Notepad word wrap bug.

 

[DanS]

In


People who don't turn over stones won't find such problems
Dan. Just look at all of the people who use Notepad
everyday and are totally clueless about the Notepad word
wrap bug.

You mean the one that doesn't exist, and never existed ?

(And that all that have tried to duplicate your claims in another part of this thread have
been unable to duplicate.)

 

[BillW50]

In

You mean the one that doesn't exist, and never existed ?

(And that all that have tried to duplicate your claims in another
part of this thread have been unable to duplicate.)

No it really exists.

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/1906

 

[Bob I]

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People who don't turn over stones won't find such problems Dan. Just
look at all of the people who use Notepad everyday and are totally
clueless about the Notepad word wrap bug.

AS BEFORE---IT IS A VIEW IN NOTEPAD---NOT THE FILE!!!!!

Explanation of "visual problem" documented at

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/162087-notepad-wordwrap-bug-double-spacing.html

"If word wrap is on when you save, Notepad inserts CR CR LF characters
at each wrap point in the display window (but not in the saved file).

This can cause the text cursor to move backwards.
If you resize the window, Notepad doesn't properly re-wrap the lines.
If you copy text that includes a CR CR LF wrap point and paste it
in another program, strange things can happen. As you noticed, if you
paste into WordPad, you get two spaces where the CR CR LF wrap points
were in Notepad.

You can turn word wrap off and back on to clear the issue, but Notepad
will move the text cursor to the top of the file when you do this. It
looks like re-opening the file using File, Open clears the issue the
same way, I hadn't thought of that before."

The same thing happens in many copy paste operations between other
programs also.

 

[BillW50]

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AS BEFORE---IT IS A VIEW IN NOTEPAD---NOT THE FILE!!!!!

Yes I later found out. But still it is screwed up. And it is difficult
to work under these conditions unless you toggle word wrap once again.

 

[Stan Brown]

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People who don't turn over stones won't find such problems Dan. Just
look at all of the people who use Notepad everyday and are totally
clueless about the Notepad word wrap bug.

Just as they are clueless about Bigfoot and alien space probes --
because it exists only in your head, and not in reality.

The icing on the cake is your mendacious claim that this non-existent
bug "affects everybody".

 

[Ken Blake]

But there is no such upgrade DVD from XP to 7.

Sorry, but there is. The standard Windows 7 Upgrade DVD works with
Windows XP; XP qualifies to use that DVD.

You would have to upgrade to Vista first, and then to 7.

*That* is correct. Although you can use the Upgrade DVD if you have XP
installed, you can not do an upgrade with it. You have to do a clean
installation.

Yes, you can do the double upgrade--first to Vista, then to XP. In
fact, I've done that. But I don't at all recommend it because the two
step upgrade doubles the risk of having problems. I did it just to try
it, and I was prepared to start all over with a clean installation if
necessary. Fortunately for me, it went without any problems.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Stan Brown

The icing on the cake is your mendacious claim that this non-existent
bug "affects everybody".

That would be mendacious if Bill had claimed it - I CBA at this point to
go back and look.

But claiming that it affects nobody would be just as mendacious.

 

[Char Jackson]

In message <[email protected]>, Stan Brown

That would be mendacious if Bill had claimed it

He claimed it here: Message-ID: <[email protected]>

- I CBA at this point to go back and look.

CBA? "Can't be arsed"? I hope I have that wrong.

<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cba>

CBA = Can't Be Arsed.

CBA is a severe form of laziness.

Often comparable to a psychological/medical condition. CBA is most
common in teenagers around the age of 16-17 years of age.

But claiming that it affects nobody would be just as mendacious.

The initial claim involved changes to the saved file. I believe that
claim is false, and therefore "affects nobody" would seem to be
appropriate.

 

[Steve Hayes]

Sorry, but there is. The standard Windows 7 Upgrade DVD works with
Windows XP; XP qualifies to use that DVD.

Sorry?

It's nothing to be sorry about if it's true.;

*That* is correct. Although you can use the Upgrade DVD if you have XP
installed, you can not do an upgrade with it. You have to do a clean
installation.

Ah, so it isn't true. Sorry.

Yes, you can do the double upgrade--first to Vista, then to XP. In
fact, I've done that. But I don't at all recommend it because the two
step upgrade doubles the risk of having problems. I did it just to try
it, and I was prepared to start all over with a clean installation if
necessary. Fortunately for me, it went without any problems.

And the trouble is that by the time you've got the "clean install" working the
way you want it, the next upgrade is out. So you spend all the time working on
your computer instead of getting your computer to work for you.

That's why I bought my last computer, I got it without an OS, and simply
copied the Acronis backups from the previous one onto it, and so I hit the
ground running and was able to do work on it from day 1.

 

[BillW50]

In

He claimed it here: Message-ID: <[email protected]>


CBA? "Can't be arsed"? I hope I have that wrong.

<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cba>

CBA = Can't Be Arsed.

CBA is a severe form of laziness.

Often comparable to a psychological/medical condition. CBA is most
common in teenagers around the age of 16-17 years of age.


The initial claim involved changes to the saved file. I believe that
claim is false, and therefore "affects nobody" would seem to be
appropriate.

Well isn't your thinking just stuck in the box? When you think outside
of the box, you realize every Notepad.exe has this bug. So in that sense
it affects everybody. And that is the way I meant it.

Think of Notepad as secret mines buried in everybody's backyard. I would
say these mines affect everybody. Your way of thinking is it only
affects those who accidentally steps on one.

And how it screws up saved files is through copy and paste. I used to
use Notepad as a scratchpad and copied and pasted things back and forth.
And one mistake with word wrap toggled on a save could damage your file.
This is oversimplified, but here is one way.

Toggle Word Wrap on
Adjust window so your text word wraps
Save
CTRL-A
CTRL-C
Close Notepad

Open Word
CTRL-V
Save (using same name)

File corrupted!

And since most people are unaware of this bug within Notepad. It is like
a hidden mine. Some may not step on it at all. Some might only step on
it once and won't have a clue what really happened. And some will
quickly figure out what really went wrong.

 

[Char Jackson]

In

Well isn't your thinking just stuck in the box? When you think outside
of the box, you realize every Notepad.exe has this bug. So in that sense
it affects everybody. And that is the way I meant it.

Think of Notepad as secret mines buried in everybody's backyard. I would
say these mines affect everybody. Your way of thinking is it only
affects those who accidentally steps on one.

And how it screws up saved files is through copy and paste. I used to
use Notepad as a scratchpad and copied and pasted things back and forth.
And one mistake with word wrap toggled on a save could damage your file.
This is oversimplified, but here is one way.

Toggle Word Wrap on
Adjust window so your text word wraps
Save
CTRL-A
CTRL-C
Close Notepad

Open Word
CTRL-V
Save (using same name)

File corrupted!

And since most people are unaware of this bug within Notepad. It is like
a hidden mine. Some may not step on it at all. Some might only step on
it once and won't have a clue what really happened. And some will
quickly figure out what really went wrong.

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"So stop doing it."

 

[BillW50]

In

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"So stop doing it."

You're pretty inept aren't you? I did once I had learned this bug
exists!

 

[Char Jackson]

You're pretty inept aren't you?

Well, I'm no BillW50, if that's what you mean, but I'm ok with that.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Just out of interest, is this a bug that has recently appeared? I use
Thunderbird 2.0.24 both for e-mail and news, and at this moment, it's
using 99,650Kb of RAM under Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit with 2Gb of RAM.

It may be yet another reason not to update TB, apart from the 'orrible
interface and the way it loses posts on the later versions.

Nope, the problem has been around at least since the version you mentioned.

Here's a screencap of one time a few months back when Thunderbird was
using up nearly 1.4GB of RAM! It's got nothing to do with add-ons, or
anything.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/resourcemonitor76ramusa.jpg/

Yousuf Khan

 

[Ken Blake]

Sorry?

It's nothing to be sorry about if it's true.;

Just sorry to have to correct you.

 

[Dominique]

Ken Blake <[email protected]> écrivait

*That* is correct. Although you can use the Upgrade DVD if you have XP
installed, you can not do an upgrade with it. You have to do a clean
installation.

<snip>

Just to clarify, you must choose "Custom" in the installation option which
of course does a clean installation but after renaming the Windows folder
to Windows.old.

That's what it did for me.

 

[Ken Blake]

Ken Blake <[email protected]> ?crivait


<snip>

Just to clarify, you must choose "Custom" in the installation option which
of course does a clean installation but after renaming the Windows folder
to Windows.old.

Yes, that's correct.

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Rob:

Can one update XP to W7 on a Toshiba laptop over writing and installing
W7? As not to loose all the old files?

I was intending to buy a new W7 disc and install from that is it
necessary to reformat and then install W7

This is tangential... but I think it is worth saying.

If you wind up reformatting, go the whole nine yards and separate
your data from the system:

- Format the drive into two partitions C: for the system
and D: for data.

- Figure out how to set all your applications' default file
locations to D:

- Do the drag/drop thing with all the "My" folders so they
are automagically relocated to D:

- Train yourself to never, ever, under any circumstances save
things to C:. Get to where it actually feels morally
repugnant..... which it is.... -)


The rant can go on-and-on, but the benefits of doing this are
substantial - including easier recovery from system problems and
simplified backup procedures.