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Valorie *~
Bucky Breeder said:
No tweaks were installed. Just to let you know, only programs are on the
start button's pop-up list. Nothing there called "default programs control
panel."
No tweaks were installed. Just to let you know, only programs are on the
start button's pop-up list. Nothing there called "default programs control
panel."
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Valorie *~
I don't use giganews.com and WLM. You're replying to a troll, a frogger.
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Sunny
Valorie *~ said:
Frogger? :
Frogger," the classic computer game that tests players 'abilities to move
a frog across a busy road - without getting squashed.
B
Big Steel
Impersonator......
G
G. Morgan
Valorie *~ said:
Well then, why don't you do as I suggested and use a REAL and VALID email
address in your "From:" field?
It does not have to be your primary email address. Just goto Gmail, Yahoo,
Hotmail... whatever, and get one specifically for this purpose (Usenet).
That way, if your email address is for instance "[email protected]" and
someone uses your REAL email address to impersonate you....
..... you can file a complaint with the imposter's Usenet provider and most
likely their account will be shut down. Impersonation is against all of the
Usenet providers terms of service that I know of.
The way you have it set up now: "Valorie *~" <[email protected]>" ....
..... is not something you can claim as your own, therefore no impersonation took
place (technically).
You have to file the complaint via the email address that was "impersonated",
and your email address is obviously not "[email protected]".
Do you understand the concept now?
A frogger? What, a Frenchman?
S
Stan Brown
However, it *is* truth in advertising. If any poster here is
invalid, it's that guy.
N
NormanM
You think? There is no way I can prove that somebody using my '.invalid'
email address is impersonating me? Think again!
G
G. Morgan
NormanM said:
Read it again. I said technically no forgery took place, since no one owns the
non-existent ".invalid" TLD.
N
NormanM
Think again; there is more to the "signature" of a post than just the
posting email address. And I do own the domain which is part of that
signature in my posts, so even though I use a posting email address in the
'.invalid' domain, I can still prove forgery if somebody pretends to be me.
G
G. Morgan
NormanM said:
Whooooosh!!
I didn't say you couldn't prove that someone else is using "your" .invalid
address. That's easy.
I'm saying there is no such thing as "your" (as in YOU personally) '.invalid'
address. You don't own a domain name ending in .invalid.... do you? If not,
you can not claim Trademark or Copyright, nor can you get someone's account
cancelled for "forgery". Get it now?
N
NormanM
NormanM said:
Yes, but the only one that is 'confirmable' which is also 'user-supplied', is
the email address. It's the only way an NSP (News Service Provider) can
identify the owner of the email address.
There is no domain in your sig. Even if there was, it does not count.
[email protected]
How are you going to send an email complaint to the NSP using the above email
address? You can't. It does not exist.
The only actionable "forging" offense is when someone uses your email address
while impersonating you. Otherwise the NSP will ignore the complaint.
I think I'll post as you this time.
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NormanM
Seriously? Says the guy who posted this message:
You are following up to a post where the reply would go to:
<[email protected]>
You could have used that in your forgery, if you had known; but you no more
have the right to use any part of the 'aosake.net' domain than you have to
use somebody else's '@gmail.com' email address. And, if I wished to press
your forgery with the folks at 'Eternal-September' abuse, I suspect I could
get your account suspended for using it.
Your Message-ID is wrong, and you left off the Reply-To: email address. You
are, nevertheless, using my nym.
I suspect that using my nym without using the supporting signs would count.
Should I notify the Eternal-September abuse department? Hmmm. Reminds me
that I should change my client reporting in my Message-ID.
N
NormanM
Well, by God, there is nothing personally mine in any GD post that I did not
make. So I guess I can't prove a forgery even if you do include "my" email
address!
N
NormanM
Concede ...
But I can still demonstrate a "spoof", if not a forgery. But I don't
actually "own" any email address (other than in my own domain), or even
domain. I am allowed the use of an email address by the owner of the service
which provides the email address; but I only rent the domain, as contrasted
with owning it.
G
G. Morgan
NormanM said:
Assuming you are referring to a data set, and not the actual Usenet term
signature" said:
If you mean this:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
That can also be easily manipulated. And your domain is not in there. I see no
..com, .org, .net, no "dot" anything except .invalid.
The only other header fields of interest that are unique to your "signature" as
you call it are:
Organization: Yu-ya
Keywords: TENKODAA
X-Host: kozue.aosake.net
The Message-ID, Organization, Keywords, and X-<anything>, are easily set on the
newsreader end to display anything you want.
I assume that's you in San Jose, California that owns aosake.net. Again, the
terms of service do not prevent a forger from putting your domain name in an
(x)-field. If you use an email address like [email protected] in your
"From:" field you will be 100% protected if someone forges you that way.
You could also make an announcement that only messages containing your valid
email address are authentic. If it's a real problem then you can digitally
'sign' your posts with PGP.
N
NormanM
Fair enough. But I think I fixed you. This time.
T
Tester
NormanM said:
You OWN the domain for life (provided you continue renewing it whenever
the renewal is due) and nobody can take it away from you unless somebody
can claim that you are in breach of trademark. In majority of cases
this is not a problem.
I can give you a link to UK case law which may or may not apply in your
country but have a go here:
<http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/caselaw/>
hth
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NormanM
Actually, I had set another newsreader identity to my domain; forgot that
this one wasn't so set.
Most newsreaders, yes.
I think I have conceded twice, now. And made a few changes, as well. But I
find it interesting that using my domain without my permission in user
configurable fields, other than "From:", is not prohibited.
So far, no serious problem. But after reconsidering, I have made a few
changes.
G
G. Morgan
NormanM said:
As long as you "have control" of the email address. I shouldn't have used the
term "own", because you don't need to necessarily "own" the domain. If you used
Gmail, Hotmail, Y!mail... it just as good. You control that email address so no
one else is allowed to use it in an attempt to impersonate you. News Providers
will drop a clown doing that in a second.
G
G. Morgan
NormanM said:
I see the changes you made, nice job.
You may be able to claim copy-write violations if your domain name is used in a
way that's not considered "fair use". Or if someone is deliberately using it
for fraud or illegal activity.
Simply placing your domain name somewhere in the headers is not against the
rules. It's akin to posting a link.
Check my headers. One may be considered a compliment, the other an insult, but
neither a violation.