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Gene E. Bloch

So http://170.49.49.66 doesn't work ? That should have worked as
it wouldn't need to use DNS to get there.
I blinked just as I clicked that link and the site was up as the blink
ended.

I never realized that DNS lookup was so slow!

If he tried that link, then clearly Crow T has a problem somewhere (I
have no clue, sorry).
 
C

Crow T Robot

Well I cleared the Domain name from the router did nothing just reappeared
after I rebooted the router. Called Brighthouse Cable they report no
problem but gave me some IP addresses to try instead of letting windows
doing it automatically they did not help. Reloaded XP to see if the
settings were they same as Windows 7 and for the most part they are
unchanged. Windows 7 has some extra settings in the ISP connection
properties but even with them turned off still no dice. Unless there is
some mystery setting that could be selected I'm at a loss.


"Paul" wrote in message
"Paul" wrote in message
For what it is worth, my router has a "LAN Settings" window
and "Local Domain Name (optional)". I leave the Local Domain Name
blank. What I was trying to do, is have the router just use
DHCP to automatically fetch the public IP address, and the
two ISP provided DNS server addresses.

Your router got that "twmi.rr.com" value somehow. Perhaps the
router is a rental that comes with the service, and that
dialog was populated by RoadRunner before shipping it to
you ? I'd write down the current settings, and experiment
with changing it.

Purely for your amusement, there *is* a way for a router
settings to get changed :) But since twmi.rr.com looks
legit, I wouldn't panic just yet. This highlights the need
to use a real password (not the default password) with any router.
When you get a router, change the administration password
on it immediately, and place a sticky paper on the router
casing so you won't forget.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/06/malware_silently_alters_wirele_1.html
Have you tried this ? And did the BNSF site appear ?

http://170.49.49.66


No just got the browser statement could not connect. IE diagnoses reports
nothing is wrong. It is a store bought router so I'm not sure where the
twmi.rr.com came from??
So http://170.49.49.66 doesn't work ? That should have worked as
it wouldn't need to use DNS to get there.

Some software uses "reverse translation" before carrying out a protocol.
I used to have problems with that, for network equipment without DNS
entries. Some OSes do the reverse translation as a means of detecting
spoofing. I thought the browser test, of the form we're testing,
should work. But it might not work on all OSes, as for security
reasons some may want to reverse translate and verify what
symbolic address that is. If an OS does the reverse translation, and
the answer is "there is no translation for 170.49.49.66", then the
OS would conclude that it shouldn't carry out the request. In your
case, whatever is doing DNS for you at the ISP, may not have an
entry for 170.49.49.66 . I didn't think browsing in Windows, would
involve such a check.

I'd try experimenting, by removing the optional LAN domain in your
router, and see if a different DNS server gets used automatically.
If things become worse, you can always put it back.

Your ISP *can* mess around, and do things to the DNS entries
if they want, preventing you from getting to certain sites.
This is one of the reasons, occasionally, there is a need to
verify with a third party DNS lookup, to see what the
address is supposed to be. Using OpenDNS or Google DNS are
options (your computer consults Google instead of the ISP),
but if an ISP really wants to block a site, they can also
filter the IP address itself. ISP networking equipment
has become quite powerful, with all sorts of
capabilities, such as detecting and stopping certain
protocols put by the user on arbitrary ports and so on.
The network equipment now, can look into the payload of
the packets, for hints about what the user is doing
(BitTorrent) and respond in some way. So just about anything
is possible now, in terms of networking problems.

To give an example, a couple years ago, my ISP had just
received such a networking box, and were using it to slow down
BitTorrent. But they also managed to "splatter" port 80 HTML traffic,
inserting RST packets where they didn't belong. That causes
web browsing problems, where a week ago there were none. They
eventually figured it out.

Paul
 
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Paul

Crow said:
Well I cleared the Domain name from the router did nothing just
reappeared after I rebooted the router. Called Brighthouse Cable they
report no problem but gave me some IP addresses to try instead of
letting windows doing it automatically they did not help. Reloaded XP
to see if the settings were they same as Windows 7 and for the most part
they are unchanged. Windows 7 has some extra settings in the ISP
connection properties but even with them turned off still no dice.
Unless there is some mystery setting that could be selected I'm at a loss.
Well, if you have no control over how the router works, you can:

1) Use another router. That's what I did, in response to a problem
with my ADSL modem/router box. The router portion of it sucked,
so I turned it off. I have a $40 router that I connected to it,
to take the place of the routing function. My modem router runs
in "bridged mode", so only the modem functions, and the separate
router box takes care of the rest.

ISP --- ADSL modem/router --- Wired router ----- Computer #1
bridged mode ----- Computer #2

2) Override what the router is trying to do, in Windows. The
Windows networking options, should include a place to put
DNS lookup addresses (if you're operating the thing manually,
instead of automatically via DHCP). You'd look for advice
on how to do that, either on a Google DNS page (Google offers
a free DNS service) or OpenDNS (another free one).

(Place OpenDNS addresses or Google DNS addresses here...)
http://windows7themes.net/pics/use-the-following-dns-server-address-opendns.jpg

No matter who provides your DNS service, there is always room
for monkey business, such as "replacing all the adverts" on
web browser pages you visit, scraping your addresses as
a means of tracking your preferences (beats using lots of
doubleclick cookies). And as your ISP has demonstrated,
its possible to have stale or incorrect DNS entries.

You know the problem is DNS, so "find a DNS solution".
Either get your ISP to get off their lazy butts, or
fix it yourself by bypassing the problem.

Paul
 
C

Char Jackson

Well I cleared the Domain name from the router did nothing just reappeared
after I rebooted the router.
Don't worry about it. It just means DHCP is working like it should.
Called Brighthouse Cable they report no
problem but gave me some IP addresses to try instead of letting windows
doing it automatically they did not help.
That information is worthless, unfortunately. What IP addresses? What
does "to try" mean?
Reloaded XP to see if the
settings were they same as Windows 7 and for the most part they are
unchanged. Windows 7 has some extra settings in the ISP connection
properties but even with them turned off still no dice. Unless there is
some mystery setting that could be selected I'm at a loss.
If you're suspecting a DNS issue, just change the DNS IP and be done
with it, for crying out loud. It only takes a few seconds. Do it in
your PC if you like, or do it in your router if that's more
convenient.

As a test, I recommend using 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 because both are easy
to type without any danger of mistakes.
 
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Crow T Robot

Thanks for the assistance. Tried my old router everything works fine.
Sorry I wasted all this time although I have an new understanding of
routers. Thanks Paul and Char Jackson. Don't know what the flying $%$# the
Cisco E1000 was doing. Anyone recommend a good router... Just kidding
PEACE.

Thanks again.

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"Char Jackson" wrote in message

Well I cleared the Domain name from the router did nothing just reappeared
after I rebooted the router.
Don't worry about it. It just means DHCP is working like it should.
Called Brighthouse Cable they report no
problem but gave me some IP addresses to try instead of letting windows
doing it automatically they did not help.
That information is worthless, unfortunately. What IP addresses? What
does "to try" mean?
Reloaded XP to see if the
settings were they same as Windows 7 and for the most part they are
unchanged. Windows 7 has some extra settings in the ISP connection
properties but even with them turned off still no dice. Unless there is
some mystery setting that could be selected I'm at a loss.
If you're suspecting a DNS issue, just change the DNS IP and be done
with it, for crying out loud. It only takes a few seconds. Do it in
your PC if you like, or do it in your router if that's more
convenient.

As a test, I recommend using 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 because both are easy
to type without any danger of mistakes.
 
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Big Steel

Thanks for the assistance. Tried my old router everything works fine.
Sorry I wasted all this time although I have an new understanding of
routers. Thanks Paul and Char Jackson. Don't know what the flying $%$#
the Cisco E1000 was doing. Anyone recommend a good router... Just
kidding PEACE.
I don't see how this is possible when you indicated that you connected
the computer to the Internet without the router and it still couldn't
connect to the site. But now you are using an old router and now
everything works? :)
 
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Crow T Robot

Well it worked for 3 - 4 loads of the webpage then stopped again. I'm done.
No reason for this crap makes no sense. I'll just load XP and use IE8 to
look at the page then load win 7 for everything else....

"Big Steel" wrote in message

Thanks for the assistance. Tried my old router everything works fine.
Sorry I wasted all this time although I have an new understanding of
routers. Thanks Paul and Char Jackson. Don't know what the flying $%$#
the Cisco E1000 was doing. Anyone recommend a good router... Just
kidding PEACE.
I don't see how this is possible when you indicated that you connected
the computer to the Internet without the router and it still couldn't
connect to the site. But now you are using an old router and now
everything works? :)
 

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