Vuescan and missing scanner driver


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Stan Brown

There are numerous references to using VueScan with a 64-bit OS when an
original driver does not exist. For example, see:
http://ddisoftware.com/tech/computer-software/canon-scanners-64-bit-os-and-vuescan/
Maybe you should read that URL before you post it, because it says
the opposite of what you say. The first post there explicitly says
"even with the Canon 64 bit driver and software."

There's also the issue that, as I posted, Vuescan's own author said
it needs the manufacturer's drivers.
 
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Stan Brown

Did you have a look around ? There is a report of someone using a
60 driver for the 50 here. This is Vista, but something similar
might work on Windows 7.

http://www.vistax64.com/drivers/96827-canon-lide-50-a.html
Thanks for posting, but--

If the WINDOWS 7 driver for the LiDE 60 doesn't work on Windows 7
with the LiDE 50, how likely do you think it is that the VISTA driver
for the LiDE 60 will work on Windows 7 with the LiDE 50?
 
A

Alexander Arnakis

Hook both the computers to a KVM. Problem solved!

But, yes why don't they provide support for W7?

The answer is simple. They want more lolly from you!

Reminds me of Cabaret, that wonderful film. Money, Money, Mo-ney...
My primary computer is running Windows 7, but I still keep my older
ones running Windows 98SE, just so I can use my Nikon film scanner and
ALPS dry-ink printer. Sometimes products are perfectly good (in fact
irreplaceable, like the ALPS printer) but they're discontinued and no
longer supported by their makers. So much for "the wisdom of the
market."
 
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Paul

Stan said:
Thanks for posting, but--

If the WINDOWS 7 driver for the LiDE 60 doesn't work on Windows 7
with the LiDE 50, how likely do you think it is that the VISTA driver
for the LiDE 60 will work on Windows 7 with the LiDE 50?
I don't know. But if you want your scanner to work, I expect
you'll investigate :)

With computers, there is no way of figuring the odds that
something will work. Things that should work -- don't. And
vice versa.

With my old scanner, I keep a computer around that works with it. That's
my solution to this kind of nonsense. The only thing that computer is
good for, is running the scanner. Some day, they'll make a wonderful
"package deal" for somebody :) Buy my scanner, get a computer for
free.

Paul
 
C

choro

I don't know. But if you want your scanner to work, I expect
you'll investigate :)

With computers, there is no way of figuring the odds that
something will work. Things that should work -- don't. And
vice versa.

With my old scanner, I keep a computer around that works with it. That's
my solution to this kind of nonsense. The only thing that computer is
good for, is running the scanner. Some day, they'll make a wonderful
"package deal" for somebody :) Buy my scanner, get a computer for
free.
I guess these days there is less and less need for scanners. Hence
manufacturers unwillingness to write new drivers for their legacy
hardware. I hardly see any adverts for scanners these days. But yet at
times they are indispensable. I guess most people buy composite
printers, copies and scanners. But I am hardly likely to replace my old
faithful extremely low cost Brother Monochrome Laser Printer.

How about using a camera instead of a scanner?
 
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Paul

choro said:
I guess these days there is less and less need for scanners. Hence
manufacturers unwillingness to write new drivers for their legacy
hardware. I hardly see any adverts for scanners these days. But yet at
times they are indispensable. I guess most people buy composite
printers, copies and scanners. But I am hardly likely to replace my old
faithful extremely low cost Brother Monochrome Laser Printer.

How about using a camera instead of a scanner?

choro
The camera would have distortions, caused by using a closeup
lens. That can be removed in software, if the software
knows the details of the optics used. Without correction,
it would look ugly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Barrel_distortion.svg

There would also be differences in "depth of field". My scanner
actually dues a good job, even if the book or document, doesn't
lay flat on it. Some scanners are better than others, when it
comes to depth of field, and rendering everything without blur.

http://www.scantips.com/chap3c.html

"The "compact" and "ultra thin" scanners use a very different
CIS chip (Contact Image Sensor). These CIS units are small and
inexpensive, having no optical system (no lens, mirrors, lamp,
and no A/D chip). CIS chips often have LED light sources integrated
in the chip with the sensor. The CIS sensors are full size, extending
over the full bed width. They work by simply being extremely near the
paper being scanned (as "in contact"). This means that there is zero
depth of field above the scanner glass, anything not actually touching
the glass is too distant to be sharp, making CIS unsuitable for scanning
3D objects. CIS is also used in sheet-feed scanners and fax machines
where depth is not a factor."

The camera would be better in that respect.

http://www.carlmcmillan.com/DOF/DepthofField.htm

Paul
 
J

Jeff Layman

Maybe you should read that URL before you post it, because it says
the opposite of what you say. The first post there explicitly says
"even with the Canon 64 bit driver and software."

There's also the issue that, as I posted, Vuescan's own author said
it needs the manufacturer's drivers.
Maybe you should read the URL. Here is the full text from the first
message there:

"Canon Scanners - 64 bit OS and VueScan
« on: December 02, 2010, 07:32:58 AM »

If you have a 64 bit operating system and an older Canon scanner (mine
is a Canon 8400F so not that old) you are likely to have problems
getting full functionality with 64 bit W7, even with the Canon 64 bit
driver and software. In particular, transparency adaptors do not work.
For some years I've used VueScan software for scanning, probably the
best for any scanner so when I went to W7-64 recently found I'd lost
functionality on my scanner and VueScan did not work with it all Sad
However, a few day's ago, VueScan v9 was launched with a 64 bit version.
This has solved all the problems and my scanner has a new lease of life,
transparency adaptor included Cheesy
It can solve problems with other older scanners too where there are no
64-bit drivers; VueScan provides them for you Cool"

What do you find unclear about the last paragraph?

Also see posts here:
http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?p=1045496
and here:
http://www.naturescapes.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=188642

I do not know why Ed Hamrick said what he did to you about VueScan
needing the original manufacturer's drivers, other than his webpage does
say that the best way to see if VueScan works is to download it and try
it. It is free to try it, so what is there to lose? All I know is (a)
my Epson scanner works with VueScan 9 and there are NO 64-bit drivers
for it., and (b) there are numerous references on the net - such as the
one I gave - which say VueScan works where there are no 64-bit drivers
available.
 
C

choro

The camera would have distortions, caused by using a closeup
lens. That can be removed in software, if the software
knows the details of the optics used. Without correction,
it would look ugly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Barrel_distortion.svg

There would also be differences in "depth of field". My scanner
actually dues a good job, even if the book or document, doesn't
lay flat on it. Some scanners are better than others, when it
comes to depth of field, and rendering everything without blur.

http://www.scantips.com/chap3c.html

"The "compact" and "ultra thin" scanners use a very different
CIS chip (Contact Image Sensor). These CIS units are small and
inexpensive, having no optical system (no lens, mirrors, lamp,
and no A/D chip). CIS chips often have LED light sources integrated
in the chip with the sensor. The CIS sensors are full size, extending
over the full bed width. They work by simply being extremely near the
paper being scanned (as "in contact"). This means that there is zero
depth of field above the scanner glass, anything not actually touching
the glass is too distant to be sharp, making CIS unsuitable for scanning
3D objects. CIS is also used in sheet-feed scanners and fax machines
where depth is not a factor."

The camera would be better in that respect.

http://www.carlmcmillan.com/DOF/DepthofField.htm

Paul
I do realize that using a camera to get a .jpg image would rely heavily
on photographic know-how etc and isn't anywhere near half as convenient
as using a scanner. OCR software also extends the usefulness of
scanners. But if one is not fussy, a jpg image will serve the purpose
most of the time even though it is far less convenient than using a scanner.

But the info you provided is certainly useful to know. I have been very
happy with my Visioneer 4400 which has served me well over all these
years and I am sorry to see it being sidelined with the advent of Win7.
 
K

Ken Blake

Thanks for posting, but--

If the WINDOWS 7 driver for the LiDE 60 doesn't work on Windows 7
with the LiDE 50, how likely do you think it is that the VISTA driver
for the LiDE 60 will work on Windows 7 with the LiDE 50?

The likelihood is probably very low, but if I were in your shoes, I'd
still give it a try before replacing the scanner.
 
S

Stan Brown

The likelihood is probably very low, but if I were in your shoes, I'd
still give it a try before replacing the scanner.
So would I, if there were any question of my replacing the scanner.
:)
 
Z

Zanqeutil

Stan Brown schreef:
Maybe you should read that URL before you post it, because it says
the opposite of what you say. The first post there explicitly says
"even with the Canon 64 bit driver and software."

There's also the issue that, as I posted, Vuescan's own author said
it needs the manufacturer's drivers.
Stan I found this on a forum:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/762629

Someone wrote:

After trying all of the suggestions that I could find including trying
the LiDE60 driver with no success, I stumbled upon this driver:

http://www.webwhitenoise.com/item/2009/05/canon-canoscan-lide-50-x64-drivers/

Download site:
http://www.mediafire.com/?d37237b7r7d59g5

The file is in 7zip (7z) format,unzip with
http://www.7zipportable.com/

Quote:

'Uninstalled all instances of LiDE50/60 drivers, installed the new DNA
driver, plugged the scanner in and it worked. Scanner is now working
essentially flawlessly on Vista 64bit.

Only issue is that the buttons on the front of the scanner do not work.
You must use the CanoScan Toolbox or similar software to access the
scanner functions.'

Somebody else wrote that this driver works with Window7_64 bit

Quote:

'Our Canon LiDE 50 works with our Macbook, without any intervention, but
it wasn't recognised by Windows 7, and I couldn't find a suitable
driver. I was about to buy a new scanner, then came across this link. As
written, it works a treat (except for the front panel buttons): Thanks a
million!'

I hope it works for you.

Regards,

Zanqeutil.
 
S

Stan Brown

Stan Brown schreef:

Stan I found this on a forum:

Someone wrote:

After trying all of the suggestions that I could find including trying
the LiDE60 driver with no success, I stumbled upon this driver:

http://www.webwhitenoise.com/item/2009/05/canon-canoscan-lide-50-x64-drivers/

Download site:
http://www.mediafire.com/?d37237b7r7d59g5

'Our Canon LiDE 50 works with our Macbook, without any
intervention, but it wasn't recognised by Windows 7, and I couldn't
find a suitable driver. I was about to buy a new scanner, then came
across this link. As written, it works a treat (except for the
front panel buttons): Thanks a million!'

I hope it works for you.
Thanks again for posting this. The driver worked for me without a
problem! I didn't try the LiDE 50's own buttons, since the forum
article said they don't work. But I didn't use them anyway. My
normal routine is: open Irfanview, select TWAIN source, Acquire/Batch
Scan. It opened the driver, I scanned, and Irfanview received the
results. (I tried both single-page and multi-page images.) What a
relief!

I did notice a little "clink" or "bump" sound during preview. I
conjecture that the LiDE 60 might be slightly larger than the 50, so
the 50 under a 60 driver is overscanning. This happens under preview
only, not under scan where I have the specific area selected, so it's
only once per scanning session.

Again, thanks for much for finding this. I had googled the problem
myself before posting, but I failed to turn up this article.
 
Z

Zanqeutil

Stan Brown schreef:
Thanks again for posting this. The driver worked for me without a
problem! I didn't try the LiDE 50's own buttons, since the forum
article said they don't work. But I didn't use them anyway. My
normal routine is: open Irfanview, select TWAIN source, Acquire/Batch
Scan. It opened the driver, I scanned, and Irfanview received the
results. (I tried both single-page and multi-page images.) What a
relief!

I did notice a little "clink" or "bump" sound during preview. I
conjecture that the LiDE 60 might be slightly larger than the 50, so
the 50 under a 60 driver is overscanning. This happens under preview
only, not under scan where I have the specific area selected, so it's
only once per scanning session.

Again, thanks for much for finding this. I had googled the problem
myself before posting, but I failed to turn up this article.
Hi Stan,

Your welcome,

Nice to hear that you don't have to to throw the old scanner out of the
window. I hope the 'clink' or 'bump' sound does not not mean the Canon
Twain driver over-stretches the Lide 50 hardware. I'm still using an old
Canon D646-ex scanner, I'm used to the funny noises it produces, but
scans are great.

Regards,

Zanqeutil
 
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VueScan 9 can't find scanner

VueScan 9 (x64) running on Windows 7 didn’t work for me. I downloaded and installed the latest TWAIN/WAI driver for my Samsung printer but that didn’t help either.

VueScan informed me that once Windows ‘Fax and Scan’ works then VueScan should also work. Windows ‘Fax and Scan’ didn’t work and 'that' turned out to be the real problem.

When I finally got Windows ‘Fax and Scan’ to work, VueScan also worked.

Here's the solution that worked for me, and hopefully it will work for you too. Please go to:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/operation-could-not-be-completed-error-0x00000015/68244f52-b556-4b83-a9c9-926dc9098ae7

And when you're there, look for the note that starts with "Well i have found a perfect way to solve this problem. In case you can't find it, it’s copied below entirely. (In my case 'Shell Hardware Detection" was not enabled; when I did enable it, Fax and Scan worked perfectly.)

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Well i have found out a perfect way to solve this problem. It worked for me so I'll be hoping it works for you too

This is how you have to do it. You need to enable WIA - Windows Image Acquisition. now to do that follow these steps.

1. Click on start or the Window thingy.
2. Type Services or Services.msc in the search part.
3. Now scroll to the following services in the window that got opened.


Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
DCOM Server Process Launcher
RPC Endpoint Mapper
Shell Hardware Detection

Enable those services. To do so right click on them, click properties and make it automatic. Once you enable all of them start them. After all the services are started scroll for "Windows Image Acquisition" make this automatic too and start it. Just reboot your PC and you should be good to roll :D.

Scan all you want :) Problem solved.
 
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vuescan recognised my scanner

I was struggling a lot to find a solution as vuescan installed on my win 7
64 bit desktop does not recognise my HP MFP 1005 PRINTER cum scanner. Atlast I find a perfect solution as suggested by Yo_Ro. Now the vuesacn recognised my scanner and I thank for the solution...
 

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