System Drive: "Unmovable Files"?

[G. Morgan]

Actually, what you quote sounds to me like the discussion *started* with
"what the person actually can do"...

And that's all they really care about anyway. If a guy/gal can
demonstrate his/her skills and knowledge in the interview, he/she has it
made. I had maybe 2 interviews that I didn't get an offer letter.

 

[BillW50]

On 9/16/2012 00:05, BillW50 wrote:
On 9/15/2012 10:08 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

In Char Jackson typed:

On 9/14/2012 6:13 PM, Paul wrote:
What I can't figure out, is why Microsoft couldn't do this.
They must have at least one clever programmer on staff.

You're kidding right? Have you seen the software that has come
out of
Microsoft lately? They don't know how to make WLM even to quote
messages anymore. Nor do they know how to add a Start button in
Windows. And did you see that fish under Windows 8? Looks like
somebody from kindergarten had created it.

This latest "they don't know how to" stuff appears to be completely
made up. Do you have a cite, by chance?

Odd? Nobody else in this thread thought I made this stuff up. They
all
commented on how real it is. The only difference in the opinion was
the
severity of the reality.

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!



Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales,
as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

You don't suppose that senior (management think overpaid) programmers
got replaced by less qualified ones that didn't know what they were
doing - thus causing lower quality code?

To be totally honest with you, I don't see any correlations between
seniority and quality and knowledge and skills.

I have seen more than enough people doing the same thing wrong for decades.

It's performance and output count not years of job.

So forgive me for I am one of those who don't believe status quos
including degree, diploma, certificate, and of course, seniority.

I am the first one to admit that degree, diploma, certificate, and
seniority don't always count. But OTOH sometimes they can make a huge
amount of difference too. The most notable are the ones who had learned
from their mistakes of the past. Younger people are so naive here since
they haven't had enough time to learn from their mistakes from the past.

This seems to be a huge flaw with humanity! As one thing that stays true
for generation after generation, is that history always repeats itself.
And I see the younger generation of programmers are making the same
mistakes we did when we were younger. And now we have to put up with it
until this younger generation has enough experience to learn from their
past mistakes too. Then all will be well again. Until the next
generation will replace them and the silly cycle repeats once again. <sigh>

 

[BillW50]

In Char Jackson typed:

On 9/14/2012 6:13 PM, Paul wrote:
What I can't figure out, is why Microsoft couldn't do this.
They must have at least one clever programmer on staff.

You're kidding right? Have you seen the software that has come out of
Microsoft lately? They don't know how to make WLM even to quote
messages anymore. Nor do they know how to add a Start button in
Windows. And did you see that fish under Windows 8? Looks like
somebody from kindergarten had created it.

This latest "they don't know how to" stuff appears to be completely
made up. Do you have a cite, by chance?

Odd? Nobody else in this thread thought I made this stuff up. They all
commented on how real it is. The only difference in the opinion was the
severity of the reality.

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!


Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

Yes many of them did get rehired. But not by Microsoft. As Microsoft has
lost this expertise and gave it away to other competitors. Years past,
Microsoft wouldn't make such mistakes.

So younger generations are moving to console games and cellphone/tablet
games? Interesting! But how fun is that? As you need a PC (aka computer)
to modify and/or add expansion packs. Thus console games and
cellphone/tablet games have a huge disadvantage here.

 

[BillW50]

On 9/15/2012 10:08 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

In Char Jackson typed:

On 9/14/2012 6:13 PM, Paul wrote:
What I can't figure out, is why Microsoft couldn't do this.
They must have at least one clever programmer on staff.

You're kidding right? Have you seen the software that has come
out of
Microsoft lately? They don't know how to make WLM even to quote
messages anymore. Nor do they know how to add a Start button in
Windows. And did you see that fish under Windows 8? Looks like
somebody from kindergarten had created it.

This latest "they don't know how to" stuff appears to be completely
made up. Do you have a cite, by chance?

Odd? Nobody else in this thread thought I made this stuff up. They all
commented on how real it is. The only difference in the opinion was
the
severity of the reality.

Oh, it's definitely true WLM doesn't quote properly, but I didn't say
anything about that. I was referring to your claim that Microsoft
developers don't know how to do certain things. I asked what you based
that claim on. I suspect that you made it up.

Oh that... that was poking fun at Microsoft at throwing the baby out
with the bath water. As Microsoft used to produce some really great
software. But all that has changed in the last few years. And you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see it either.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition
2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

And it isn't just MSFS either. But Microsoft has done this for many of
its departments. It is like Microsoft is hell bent on its self
destruction. Go figure!


Take Microsoft Flight Simulator for example. It predates Microsoft
Windows by three years and was around for 25 years. And it is the
longest running PC series ever. It even made it in the Guinness World
Records by awarding the series seven world records! [Gamer's Edition 2008]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#Awards

And what does Microsoft do? They laid off the whole development team
back in January of 2009. Some of the best and brightest programmers
worked there. And why? Who knows why? It wasn't because of sales, as it
was still selling well.

My guess (not a wild guess) is because PC games, in general, are dying,
though slowly. Younger generations are moving to console games and
cellphone/tablet games.

Those "best and brightest" programmers may or may not lose their jobs,
and they might work on other project/games, just not PC games.

I too like PC games but I have no choice but to go along with the *main
stream*

You don't suppose that senior (management think overpaid) programmers
got replaced by less qualified ones that didn't know what they were
doing - thus causing lower quality code?

I think that is exactly what has happened. <sigh>

 

[BillW50]

I'm not cleaning up the quoting mess.......




Wouldn't the definition of Windows World and Mac World have an effect on
the statement "the era of free software is gone"? If you mean free
software available from Microsoft and Apple only, I think I'd agree. But
overall, free software is available, but you have to go look for it.

Note the 3 free packages I use in my sig.

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 14.0.1
Thunderbird 15.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2

Oh... those free applications! They are free because nobody in their
right mind would pay good money for them.