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[Ken Springer]

Hi, Gene,

I did a related job last Saturday where I had to remove a large wood
screw whose Phillips slots were completely rounded. Oy. Luckily, they
had used a flat-head screw where a round-head was called for, so I had
just enough purchase for Vise-Grips to get it out.

There's lots of little tricks for getting these screws out. From
Dremel Moto Tools to valve grinding compound to left handed drill bits.
The last works the best, BTW.

A lot of those rounded out phillips slots are due to ill fitting screw
drivers to simply using the wrong one. We won't mention user error.

Oh.... I just did! LOL


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[Gene E. Bloch]

Hi, Gene,



There's lots of little tricks for getting these screws out. From
Dremel Moto Tools to valve grinding compound to left handed drill bits.
The last works the best, BTW.

I didn't want to leave the screw embedded and I didn't want to go to the
store. The ViseGrips were here, and so the job got done that way

A lot of those rounded out phillips slots are due to ill fitting screw
drivers to simply using the wrong one. We won't mention user error.

Oh.... I just did! LOL

If you lived here you'd find yourself mentioning (secret phrase) quite a
bit. Much was done by previous owners in the decades before I moved in.
It seems that not much of that was free of (secret phrase).

So far only some of the (sp) has been fixed...Keeps me busy when I'm not
on Usenet

 

[BillW50]

Certainly hope that's a tongue in cheek comment. There are
thousands of general aviation aircraft flying that have nuts on screws.
Can't even begin to tell you how many times I've done it. <grin>

I only flew Cessna single engine aircraft in the 70's and I don't recall
safety wire being used on nuts, bolts, and screws. But in the military,
the jet aircraft used them all over. This prevented anything from coming
loose. Plus there was always far more screws, bolts, and nuts than you
actually needed. I guess it was a safety thing. As a few shells punching
holes into things as it would usually stay together pretty well.

 

[BillW50]

A week or two ago I used what I had: a 13mm wrench on one end of a nut
and bolt job and a half-inch wrench on the other end, and to be honest,
I didn't squint. The nut and bolt were half-inch, so the 13mm worked OK.

I did a related job last Saturday where I had to remove a large wood
screw whose Phillips slots were completely rounded. Oy. Luckily, they
had used a flat-head screw where a round-head was called for, so I had
just enough purchase for Vise-Grips to get it out.

I don't know if you ever worked on Japanese motorcycles, but they use
something that looks like a Phillips head, but isn't. And I don't know
where they get their screws and bolts at, but they are really soft.

And I almost never touch them with any sort of screw driver right away.
Using a screw driver on them, usually rounds the slots right off. As I
learned along time ago that you use an impact wrench on them first. This
works very well most of the time. Sadly though once in a blue moon, the
head twists right off of the screw. <sigh>

 

[BillW50]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:58:56 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"<not-
[email protected]> wrote in article


Nice, I don't think I ever did that one!

I'm familiar with the alcohol burner - it was all I had available to me
as well. And I'm certain my parents had no idea what I did with my
accumulated chemistry equipment or they'd surely have stopped me, if
for no other reason than the insurance liability...

I too used an alcohol burner. Although I also thought I could make my
own too when I was around 7 years old. So I punched a small hole in a
Testers paint cap. Poured alcohol in the empty paint bottle. I forgot
where I got the wick from. And I placed a lit match close to the wick.

Wow! A big whoosh sound! Wick shoots out of the bottle like a rocket and
hits the ceiling. And not a drop of alcohol was found left in the
bottle. And that little experiment launched me off on my new rocket
hobby. <grin>

 

[Ken Springer]

I only flew Cessna single engine aircraft in the 70's and I don't recall
safety wire being used on nuts, bolts, and screws. But in the military,
the jet aircraft used them all over. This prevented anything from coming
loose. Plus there was always far more screws, bolts, and nuts than you
actually needed. I guess it was a safety thing. As a few shells punching
holes into things as it would usually stay together pretty well.>

There's definitely safety wire in single engine Cessna's as well as all
general aviation aircraft. I've still got .020, .032, and .040 wire in
my toolbox. Been out of the aircraft repair biz for a long time, but
you'll find spin-on oil filters are safety wired, as are the brake pads
on the main gear. Those expensive safety wire pliers more than paid for
themselves in short order.

At the moment, I'm a summer steam locomotive engineer, and inside the
steam cylinder chest of a 1936 locomotive are safety wired bolts! <grin>

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[Joe Morris]

There's definitely safety wire in single engine Cessna's as well as all
general aviation aircraft. I've still got .020, .032, and .040 wire in my
toolbox. Been out of the aircraft repair biz for a long time, but you'll
find spin-on oil filters are safety wired, as are the brake pads on the
main gear. Those expensive safety wire pliers more than paid for
themselves in short order.

There is actual (if minor) computer-related history regarding safety wires.
The IMPs in my machine room were built with military-grade connectors
(cables had connectors with normal pins, but with a threaded shell that
screwed down onto the mounting receptacle). The connectors had been drilled
to accept safety wire; as something of a joke one day I brought in my safety
wire tool and some .020 wire and installed it on the connectors. It stayed
there until the IMPs were decommissioned.

Joe

 

[Ken Springer]

There is actual (if minor) computer-related history regarding safety wires.
The IMPs in my machine room were built with military-grade connectors
(cables had connectors with normal pins, but with a threaded shell that
screwed down onto the mounting receptacle). The connectors had been drilled
to accept safety wire; as something of a joke one day I brought in my safety
wire tool and some .020 wire and installed it on the connectors. It stayed
there until the IMPs were decommissioned.

That sounds like they might be the olive green "canon" (maybe it's
cannon, I truly don't remember) plugs. Canon, in this case, is like
using Kleenex and Thermos as a word to describe a product regardless of
the manufacturer.

OTOH, you knew the equipment was reliable.


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[BillW50]

There's definitely safety wire in single engine Cessna's as well as all
general aviation aircraft. I've still got .020, .032, and .040 wire in
my toolbox. Been out of the aircraft repair biz for a long time, but
you'll find spin-on oil filters are safety wired, as are the brake pads
on the main gear. Those expensive safety wire pliers more than paid for
themselves in short order.

At the moment, I'm a summer steam locomotive engineer, and inside the
steam cylinder chest of a 1936 locomotive are safety wired bolts! <grin>

 

[BillW50]

There's definitely safety wire in single engine Cessna's as well as all
general aviation aircraft. I've still got .020, .032, and .040 wire in
my toolbox. Been out of the aircraft repair biz for a long time, but
you'll find spin-on oil filters are safety wired, as are the brake pads
on the main gear. Those expensive safety wire pliers more than paid for
themselves in short order.

Oh ok. I don't recall seeing any. But it was also 40 years ago. I was
also so used to using safety wire on military aircraft that I probably
didn't even take note if I did see some on a Cessna.

At the moment, I'm a summer steam locomotive engineer, and inside the
steam cylinder chest of a 1936 locomotive are safety wired bolts! <grin>

Wow! I used to visit my great uncle when he was alive and I was a little
kid. He was a machinists and made some really cool things. One thing he
made was a stream engine. It wasn't very big and it would fit inside of
a small automobile (even a go-kart). I don't think he ever connected it
up to anything to do some real work. It did have a whistle on it though.
<grin>

 

[BillW50]

There is actual (if minor) computer-related history regarding safety wires.
The IMPs in my machine room were built with military-grade connectors
(cables had connectors with normal pins, but with a threaded shell that
screwed down onto the mounting receptacle). The connectors had been drilled
to accept safety wire; as something of a joke one day I brought in my safety
wire tool and some .020 wire and installed it on the connectors. It stayed
there until the IMPs were decommissioned.

Joe

Oh yes, they were used all over the military aircraft. Even the computer
on the Apollo Moon flights had them too.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Oh ok. I don't recall seeing any. But it was also 40 years ago. I was
also so used to using safety wire on military aircraft that I probably
didn't even take note if I did see some on a Cessna.


Wow! I used to visit my great uncle when he was alive and I was a little
kid. He was a machinists and made some really cool things. One thing he
made was a stream engine. It wasn't very big and it would fit inside of
a small automobile (even a go-kart). I don't think he ever connected it
up to anything to do some real work. It did have a whistle on it though.
<grin>

I was in Betws-y-Coed, Wales, recently and I saw a little bitty model
steam train pull more than I could believe.
Take a look at this video;

Ed

 

[BillW50]

That sounds like they might be the olive green "canon" (maybe it's
cannon, I truly don't remember) plugs. Canon, in this case, is like
using Kleenex and Thermos as a word to describe a product regardless of
the manufacturer.

OTOH, you knew the equipment was reliable.

Yes we called them cannon (sp?) plugs too. Some would lock with like a
quarter turn on the ring (similar to a BNC). And some the ring was
threaded and you needed to screw those on and off. You know some camera
lens uses a similar ring to mount the lens to the camera.

I've seen the same plugs on a lot of professional medical and scientific
equipment too. I am talking about old stuff. I don't know if they are as
common as they once were though. You know I also remember Cobra CBs also
using a similar plug for its mic. Although most of those cannon plugs
had 50 or more pins.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I was in Betws-y-Coed, Wales, recently and I saw a little bitty model
steam train pull more than I could believe.
Take a look at this video;

I wanna go there!

Beautiful place, fun train...

 

[BillW50]

I was in Betws-y-Coed, Wales, recently and I saw a little bitty model
steam train pull more than I could believe.
Take a look at this video;

Ed

Yes, I remember parks around that had those little trains too. Don't see
them too much anymore. And I have been thinking the last few years as
gas prices going up... what would it take to build a small stream engine
powered car? I know it has been done before. My reason is I have so much
wood around my place that I would never run out of it. Although I have
done my share of cutting firewood. And it might be free for me, but it
is still a lot of work nonetheless.

 

[Ken Blake]

Not here it doesn't.

I said that a couple of days ago, but it turns out that I was wrong. I
was expecting a package from Fedex yesterday, and it showed up in my
mailbox!

 

[Char Jackson]

I said that a couple of days ago, but it turns out that I was wrong. I
was expecting a package from Fedex yesterday, and it showed up in my
mailbox!

Thanks, Ken. Maybe they saw your post and decided to prove a point.
;-)

BTW, my area has had the inter-carrier agreement mentioned above for
as long as I can remember. It comes in handy. Very small items could
get lost in the flower garden that almost surrounds my front steps.

 

[Ken Blake]

Thanks, Ken. Maybe they saw your post and decided to prove a point.
;-)

LOL.

 

[BillW50]

In BillW50 typed:

... And I have been thinking the last few
years as gas prices going up... what would it take to build a small
stream engine powered car? I know it has been done before. My reason
is I have so much wood around my place that I would never run out of
it. Although I have done my share of cutting firewood. And it might
be free for me, but it is still a lot of work nonetheless.

I am not a steam engine expert, but I don't think a steam engine is very
practical for loads that change a lot (like stop and go traffic). I
would think they do very well for constant load and constant speeds. So
maybe a steam engine powered car might work better if the steam engine
powered a generator and the rest is electric and batteries, you think?

 

[Ed Cryer]

In BillW50 typed:

I am not a steam engine expert, but I don't think a steam engine is very
practical for loads that change a lot (like stop and go traffic). I
would think they do very well for constant load and constant speeds. So
maybe a steam engine powered car might work better if the steam engine
powered a generator and the rest is electric and batteries, you think?

They take ages to get started in the morning.
They're excellent for tourist places but not much else these days.

There's a viaduct in Glenfinnan in the N W Scottish Highlands, and it's
built on a curve. But the Jacobite (used in Harry Potter films) runs
over it between Fort William and Mallaig.

Ed