Paperless faxing - prices dropping?

[Anthony Buckland]

I remember the angst I suffered once when trying to buy a wall mounted
fax. Can't remember how many stores I was kicked out of.

It's way past the noon deadline for April Fooling, so
I assume you really want to mount a fax machine on a
wall. There is a device, invented, I imagine, before
Babylon was founded, that allows this. It's called a shelf.

Or maybe I'm just being dense.

 

[Peter Jason]

It's way past the noon deadline for April Fooling, so
I assume you really want to mount a fax machine on a
wall. There is a device, invented, I imagine, before
Babylon was founded, that allows this. It's called a shelf.

Or maybe I'm just being dense.

No, your 're lacking experience, that's all. I remember when
telephones came wall mounted, or with a cute cradle attachment to make
them so. The customer was never expected to make a "shelf". I have
fond memories of these, vis:
One that takes a bit of punishment....
http://smartshopbuy.com/images/HomeDecorations/crosley-302-wall-phone.jpg
Even fuzzy old people thought a "shelf" unnecessary... this one could
live thru a bar-room brawl...
http://blog.eogn.com/.a/6a00d8341c767353ef01538fc576ba970b-800wi
Even the minimalists have gone all retro....
http://www.cordedwallphone.org/images/corded_wall_phone.png
....those these tend to drop their handsets in a draught.
So many wall phones and not one fax..... tsk.

 

[Wolf K]

No, your 're lacking experience, that's all. I remember when
telephones came wall mounted, or with a cute cradle attachment to make
them so. [...]

Hey, we still have several of these in our house!

Wolf K.

 

[Char Jackson]

On 01/04/2012 4:59 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
I remember the angst I suffered once when trying to buy a wall mounted
fax. Can't remember how many stores I was kicked out of.

It's way past the noon deadline for April Fooling, so
I assume you really want to mount a fax machine on a
wall. There is a device, invented, I imagine, before
Babylon was founded, that allows this. It's called a shelf.

Or maybe I'm just being dense.

No, your 're lacking experience, that's all. I remember when
telephones came wall mounted, or with a cute cradle attachment to make
them so. [...]

Hey, we still have several of these in our house!

If my dad was here, he'd probably say, "Sure, but do you still have
chamber pots in the bedrooms?" For some reason, chamber pots and
spittoons seem to be his favorite 'age' reference.

 

[choro]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:12:58 -0700, Anthony Buckland

On 01/04/2012 4:59 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
I remember the angst I suffered once when trying to buy a wall mounted
fax. Can't remember how many stores I was kicked out of.

It's way past the noon deadline for April Fooling, so
I assume you really want to mount a fax machine on a
wall. There is a device, invented, I imagine, before
Babylon was founded, that allows this. It's called a shelf.

Or maybe I'm just being dense.
No, your 're lacking experience, that's all. I remember when
telephones came wall mounted, or with a cute cradle attachment to make
them so. [...]

Hey, we still have several of these in our house!

If my dad was here, he'd probably say, "Sure, but do you still have
chamber pots in the bedrooms?" For some reason, chamber pots and
spittoons seem to be his favorite 'age' reference.

Those were not chamber pots. But giants' teacups!
-- choro

 

[DevilsPGD]

In the last episode of

Email is fine, but too easely forged.

So is paper. It's a heck of a lot easier to forge paper than email
stored on a third party's mail server (especially in terms of rewriting
history since you can't re-write logs)

The difference is that email can include digital signatures and other
electronic audit trails that can be made to be difficult to forge (or
would at least require a third party's participation to forge)

 

[MowGreen]

Hello Experts

I have been looking for a paperless fax machine, to replace the garbage
like ImpactColor something or other.

The prices seem to be dropping quickly.

Here are recent links :

Free shipping New Arrival Vason mini usb digital fax FX1000 by EMS

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-f...sb-digital-fax-FX1000-by-EMS-wholesalers.html


Price:
US $106.00 / piece (1 - 5 pieces)

and

Paperless Portable USB 2.0 Digital Fax Machine
SKU: A18470000A

http://www.dinodirect.com/digital-fax-machine-usb-paperless.html?cur=EUR

with a price of Price: €46.09


Comments please

TIA

I saw a fact less fax machine that didn't need paper yesterday.

Little Stevie Sinofsky came up with the idea before his brain retired
along with the Windows Classic Start Menu/Orb/Button/Pearl before Swine.


MowGreen
================
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
================

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

In the last episode of


So is paper. It's a heck of a lot easier to forge paper than email
stored on a third party's mail server (especially in terms of rewriting
history since you can't re-write logs)

The difference is that email can include digital signatures and other
electronic audit trails that can be made to be difficult to forge (or
would at least require a third party's participation to forge)

There are protections on paper mail as well. Watermarked paper,
seals, etc.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:12:58 -0700, Anthony Buckland

No, your 're lacking experience, that's all. I remember when
telephones came wall mounted, or with a cute cradle attachment to make
them so. The customer was never expected to make a "shelf". I have
fond memories of these, vis:
One that takes a bit of punishment....
http://smartshopbuy.com/images/HomeDecorations/crosley-302-wall-phone.jpg
Even fuzzy old people thought a "shelf" unnecessary... this one could
live thru a bar-room brawl...
http://blog.eogn.com/.a/6a00d8341c767353ef01538fc576ba970b-800wi
Even the minimalists have gone all retro....
http://www.cordedwallphone.org/images/corded_wall_phone.png
...those these tend to drop their handsets in a draught.
So many wall phones and not one fax..... tsk.

At first, when I read "these tend to drop their handsets in a draught",
I thought you meant "drop their handsets into a beer".

Somehow, I wish you had meant that

 

[Anssi Saari]

Somebody still uses fax?

Surprisingly I found myself sending two last year. In both cases it was
less work than sending out paper mail. No idea if these people would've
accepted scanned pdfs via email, might be too radical.

 

[Laszlo Lebrun]

Somebody still uses fax?

yes, it is incredibly faster than mail.

 

[G. Morgan]

yes, it is incredibly faster than mail.

But a PITA for those without an analog Telco line. I broke down
and bought a MagicJack for that sole reason.

 

[Ken Blake]

yes, it is incredibly faster than mail.

Faster than snail mail, yes. But not faster than e-mail. And it
requires special equipment.

It's incredible to me that faxing didn't bite the dust as obsolete
technology ten years or so ago.

 

[Ken Springer]

Faster than snail mail, yes. But not faster than e-mail. And it
requires special equipment.

Not necessarily. It depends on the user.

What if:

1. The user does not do email regularly?
2. What if the user does email just once a day?
3. What if the user only does email at home, but runs a non-home
business during the day?

I'm sure there are other scenarios where the old style fax machine is
more beneficial to the user, and that's the most important part of any
fax system, meeting the users needs, not the senders needs.

It's incredible to me that faxing didn't bite the dust as obsolete
technology ten years or so ago.

Not everyone wants to jump into the latest technology or system. Many
times the latest/newest does not fit for them.

I can think of two slogans/platitudes/sayings regarding this, and one is
very old:

1. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
2. Newer is not always better.




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 11.0
Thunderbird 11.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

 

[Ken Blake]

Not necessarily. It depends on the user.

What if:

1. The user does not do email regularly?
2. What if the user does email just once a day?
3. What if the user only does email at home, but runs a non-home
business during the day?

I'm sure there are other scenarios where the old style fax machine is
more beneficial to the user, and that's the most important part of any
fax system, meeting the users needs, not the senders needs.


Not everyone wants to jump into the latest technology or system. Many
times the latest/newest does not fit for them.

I can think of two slogans/platitudes/sayings regarding this, and one is
very old:

1. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
2. Newer is not always better.

We clearly have very different views on this, but each to his own. I
won't argue with you about it.

 

[Ken Springer]

We clearly have very different views on this, but each to his own. I
won't argue with you about it.

Not meant to be an argument, meant to let folks know and be a discussion
that not everyone wants or needs or can use the latest and greatest
technology.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 11.0
Thunderbird 11.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

 

[Anthony Buckland]

Surprisingly I found myself sending two last year. In both cases it was
less work than sending out paper mail. No idea if these people would've
accepted scanned pdfs via email, might be too radical.

A fax is identified as to source, may contain a signature,
and can be immediately stored away as paper, whatever the
dubiousness of its source, in the files of the recipient
with no intermediate steps subject to any interference.
Like things you shouldn't have said, and pictures you
shouldn't have posted, it's forever there, assuming the
recipient has secure storage procedures.

 

[Anthony Buckland]

...
Not everyone wants to jump into the latest technology or system. Many
times the latest/newest does not fit for them.

I can think of two slogans/platitudes/sayings regarding this, and one is
very old:

1. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
2. Newer is not always better.

And there's still a call for buggy whips, for
people who drive buggies.

 

[Ken Springer]

And there's still a call for buggy whips, for
people who drive buggies.

So true, just visit any good farm and ranch stores.

Want to include the whips used in horse and sulky races? <grin>


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 11.0
Thunderbird 11.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3

 

[XS11E]

It's incredible to me that faxing didn't bite the dust as obsolete
technology ten years or so ago.

Tell that to the Feds and various state offices who seem to prefer
faxing over any other means of communication.

I have a friend who maintains a fax specifically for communications
with the VA.