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[SC Tom]

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista) only.
Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.

OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test it
out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

 

[Bob Henson]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista) only.
Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.

OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test it
out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

But why bother patching up a simply dreadful program when there are plenty
of good ones available free that aren't broken?

 

[BillW50]

But why bother patching up a simply dreadful program when there are plenty
of good ones available free that aren't broken?

Really? I tried them all and I found everything else so dreadful and
unusable. Including this Thunderbird I am using right now. The only
newsgroup reader that works as far as I am concern is OE with
OE-Quotefix. And why does everybody except Microsoft missed the boat on
show my replies to my posts? IMHO this is a *must* have feature. Here
are other things I hate about Thunderbird:

- No show replies to my posts (CTRL-H)
- Header view doesn't update highlighted one while moving through messages
- Global filters never worked
- F, B, N, and P keys are stupid for jumping from one message to
another. Arrow keys has been around for 30 years now, why not use them?
- Can't view any messages while it is downloading headers
- No sorting for subscribed newsgroups (folder pane)
- Abbreviates newsgroups which is hard to tell which is which
- Marking a post with a star is very hard to see the star
- No global signature, must set it up for every sever
- Offline you can download none or all, no other options
- Terrible on 800x480 screens (especially in editing)

I posted this list like a month ago. Tried to find this list with
Thunderbird and after a minute or two I gave up. Fired OE up and it
found it in 2 seconds. I don't understand how people can use those
crappy newsgroup readers and then call them good?

 

[Bob Henson]

Really? I tried them all and I found everything else so dreadful and
unusable. Including this Thunderbird I am using right now.

All of them? 40tude Dialog that I'm using now? Xananews? Microplanet
Gravity? They're all a country mile better than OE. So is Thunderbird for
that matter, but you don't like that one.

 

[Sir_George]

Really? I tried them all and I found everything else so dreadful and
unusable. Including this Thunderbird I am using right now. The only
newsgroup reader that works as far as I am concern is OE with
OE-Quotefix. And why does everybody except Microsoft missed the boat
on show my replies to my posts? IMHO this is a must have feature.
Here are other things I hate about Thunderbird:

- No show replies to my posts (CTRL-H)
- Header view doesn't update highlighted one while moving through
messages - Global filters never worked
- F, B, N, and P keys are stupid for jumping from one message to
another. Arrow keys has been around for 30 years now, why not use
them? - Can't view any messages while it is downloading headers - No
sorting for subscribed newsgroups (folder pane) - Abbreviates
newsgroups which is hard to tell which is which - Marking a post with
a star is very hard to see the star - No global signature, must set
it up for every sever - Offline you can download none or all, no
other options - Terrible on 800x480 screens (especially in editing)

I posted this list like a month ago. Tried to find this list with
Thunderbird and after a minute or two I gave up. Fired OE up and it
found it in 2 seconds. I don't understand how people can use those
crappy newsgroup readers and then call them good?

Personally, I really liked OE and had trouble finding a suitable
replacement. I tried, and even paid for, Forte Agent, but it wasn't for
me. Since then, I have been using XanaNews, which is free. It has a
similar feel to OE and provides everything I need. You may want to
check it out.

 

[Jack]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista) only.
Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.

OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test
it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has _NO_
effect on WLM.

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked
it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista) only.
Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.

OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test
it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has _NO_
effect on WLM.

I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to run
the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I was
seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I haven't had
to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything similar.
What is it you're wanting it to do?

 

[BillW50]

This is the one you want but you'd have to use Linux to use it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(newsreader)

You can also use Outhouse Distress in WINE if you run Linux.

Nope, it doesn't have the must have feature of show replies to my posts
(CTRL-H). Btw, there is a Windows version of it too. So no need to take
your computer and turn it into a glorified PDA by running Linux. ;-)

 

[BillW50]

All of them? 40tude Dialog that I'm using now? Xananews? Microplanet
Gravity? They're all a country mile better than OE. So is Thunderbird for
that matter, but you don't like that one.

Yes everything except Microplanet Gravity. Although I am sure it doesn't
have the must have feature of show replies to my posts (CTRL-H) either.

 

[BillW50]

Personally, I really liked OE and had trouble finding a suitable
replacement. I tried, and even paid for, Forte Agent, but it wasn't for
me. Since then, I have been using XanaNews, which is free. It has a
similar feel to OE and provides everything I need. You may want to
check it out.

Yes I wasn't crazy about Forte Agent either (paid version). Does
XanaNews sport show replies to my posts (CTRL-H)?

 

[Nil]

Yes I wasn't crazy about Forte Agent either (paid version). Does
XanaNews sport show replies to my posts (CTRL-H)?

Most decent readers, including Xnews, Thunderbird, 40tude Dialog, Forte
Agent, and SLRN, are able to flag replies to your posts. Pan can
probably do it, too.

 

[BillW50]

Most decent readers, including Xnews, Thunderbird, 40tude Dialog, Forte
Agent, and SLRN, are able to flag replies to your posts. Pan can
probably do it, too.

Yeah I seen how that is done. Nothing as easy as CTRL-H. Once you get
used to this feature, nothing else measures up. What gets me this is so
simple to add to a newsreader. But nobody else is doing it. Heck
Microsoft didn't either until they were pressured by users to add it.

 

[KCB]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked
it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test
it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has _NO_
effect on WLM.

I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to run
the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I was
seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I haven't
had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?

He's using WLM2009, as am I. What do you gain by using OE-Quotefix with
this version?

 

[Char Jackson]

Most decent readers, including Xnews, Thunderbird, 40tude Dialog, Forte
Agent, and SLRN, are able to flag replies to your posts. Pan can
probably do it, too.

He keeps specifying CTRL-H, so maybe it's a requirement to have that
key combo involved somehow. Strange...

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked
it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because
it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants
to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.

I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to run
the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I was
seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I haven't
had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?

He's using WLM2009, as am I. What do you gain by using OE-Quotefix with
this version?

As with OE6, there are occasional usenet posts that don't display correctly,
and OE-Quotefix takes care of that automatically, along with handling
signatures better. It doesn't use any resources to speak of, so I just put a
shortcut to it in my startup group and forget about it.

 

[BillW50]

In

He keeps specifying CTRL-H, so maybe it's a requirement to have that
key combo involved somehow. Strange...

Nope, just to see them instantly at a keypress. Nobody else does that.

 

[BillW50]

In

Must be frustrating to be so unhappy with everything except a program
that's going away. Do you also use OE for email?

Yes I do! As I use the weaker programs and when it is taking just too
long to do something, I switch back to OE and OE-QuoteFix. Something
that actually works well.

 

[relic]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM 2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices

Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked
it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work just
fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants to test
it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has _NO_
effect on WLM.

I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to run
the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I was
seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I haven't
had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?

OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

 

[SC Tom]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and yanked
it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because
it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants
to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.

I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to run
the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I was
seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I haven't
had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or anything
similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?

OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?

 

[relic]

Stan Brown wrote:

SC Tom wrote:

An add-on program that works well to help fix those is OE
QuoteFix:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

It's primarily designed for Outlook Express, but works with WLM
2009
also. I haven't tried it with WLM 2011, but it might work with it
also so you wouldn't have to change to WLM 2009. Lots of choices


Has anybody tried QuoteFix with WLM 15 ("WLM 2011")? I believe I
read here a few weeks ago that it does not solve the problems.

I was wondering, too, if Tom had actually used OE-QuoteFix (OEQF)
with
WLM. OEQF uses the unpublished API for OE to write wrappers or
extensions for OE. Microsoft considered the API too flaky and
yanked it
(i.e., they unpublished it but there are probably sites where it
still
exists). Although WLM evolved from OE, that doesn't mean something
written for OE's unpublished API will work [reliably] with WLM. So
I'm
curious if OEQF actually works with WLM.

Tom's declaration that OEQF worked with WLM2009 makes it appear OEQF
may be usable with WLM2011 although I have to wonder about any
extension that relies on an unpublished API that got yanked because
it
was flaky.

OE-Quotefix doesn't work with WLM. It works with OE and WM (Vista)
only. Perhaps he was thinking of Outlook-Quotefix.



OE-Quotefix DOES work with WLM 2009. I use it, and it seems to work
just fine. As I said, I haven't tried it in WLM 2011. If anyone wants
to test it out on WLM 2011, it can be D/L from here:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

OK. _HOW_ did you get it to work with WLM. I installed it but it has
_NO_ effect on WLM.



I didn't do anything special, just installed it. Oh wait, you have to
run the stand-alone version. It's pretty transparent; the only thing I
was seeing was the icon in the notification area until I hid that. I
haven't had to edit any replies to any post to add carets to them, or
anything similar. What is it you're wanting it to do?

OE-QF Standalone is running. WLM2009 is running. As you can see it did
nothing to this reply.

What were you expecting it to do that didn't happen?

You didn't notice the sig?