Nero 6.x Run on Win7?

[Ant]

Have you contacted Nero's support yet and not its web site?

Hi folks!

I have a friend who just recently got a new HP PC. It's running Windows
7 Home Premium 64 bit with 6 GB RAM.
He wants to install an ancient version of Nero (6.0) and would then like
to update it to its max version 6.6.

I can't really find any definite answers on Nero's website re the old
version, just constant suggestions to Upgrade to v12.
Does anyone here know if this will work properly? I personally use v10
with no problems, it's the older v6 that I'm not sure of.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Neil ¦¬D

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[Ant]

It's important to note, as others have mentioned..just because it can be
installed and function but not necessarily with all features...there are
better alternatives that are compatible with Windows 7.

What are some good replacements for old Nero versions? I use Nero too.
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[Ant]

Thanks Winston, you and I know this, but
talking to him sometimes is like talking to a bag of doorknobs. <g>

Tell him that it won't work. [grin]
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[Chris S.]

What are some good replacements for old Nero versions? I use Nero too.
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The free ImgBurn is all I use and I use it almost daily to burn .ISOs
of CDs and DVDs. A business need. It has worked flawlessly for several
years.

Chris

 

[s|b]

The free ImgBurn is all I use and I use it almost daily to burn .ISOs
of CDs and DVDs. A business need. It has worked flawlessly for several
years.

I tried ImgBurn and copying a simple cd seemed too complicated.
BurnAware and CDBurnerXP are more user-friendly imho.

 

[Six Underground]

The free ImgBurn is all I use and I use it almost daily to burn .ISOs
of CDs and DVDs. A business need. It has worked flawlessly for several
years.

+1

It's a terrific app. In addition to what you mentioned, I also use it
to write file projects to DVD, and also to create audio CDs, although
that capability is not widely known.

6U

 

[Ant]

I tried ImgBurn and copying a simple cd seemed too complicated.
BurnAware and CDBurnerXP are more user-friendly imho.

Ditto. I did not see a disc copy in ImgBurn, but Nero and others can. I
don't want to go make an ISO. I just want to copy directly especially if
the computer has two disc drives.
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[Char Jackson]

I tried ImgBurn and copying a simple cd seemed too complicated.
BurnAware and CDBurnerXP are more user-friendly imho.

I'm not sure how it could be any easier than it already is, especially
if you have the program set to start with the wizard.

 

[Nil]

I'm not sure how it could be any easier than it already is,
especially if you have the program set to start with the wizard.

I like and use ImgBurn, but it is not a very user-friendly program.
There are too many options exposed that the average person wouldn't
understand until they read the on-line guides. It took me a while to
create some templates to do my most common tasks with it. The program
will do everything most other similar programs can do, and more and
more reliably IMO, but it's more a tool for techies than for tyros.

The "wizard" (I assume you're talking about the "EZ Mode Picker")
doesn't have a simple copy operation as one of it's choices. I've never
used it to copy a disk, but I assume you'd have to "Create image from
disc" and then, in a separate operation, "Write image file to disc."
That's more complicated than Nero or most other consumer-oriented
burning programs make it, though the end result is the same of course.

 

[Char Jackson]

I like and use ImgBurn, but it is not a very user-friendly program.
There are too many options exposed that the average person wouldn't
understand until they read the on-line guides. It took me a while to
create some templates to do my most common tasks with it. The program
will do everything most other similar programs can do, and more and
more reliably IMO, but it's more a tool for techies than for tyros.

The "wizard" (I assume you're talking about the "EZ Mode Picker")
doesn't have a simple copy operation as one of it's choices. I've never
used it to copy a disk, but I assume you'd have to "Create image from
disc" and then, in a separate operation, "Write image file to disc."
That's more complicated than Nero or most other consumer-oriented
burning programs make it, though the end result is the same of course.

I guess it must be a YMMV kind of thing. Almost all of my customers
are skewed heavily toward the non-tech end of the spectrum, and for
those who have either asked for a recommendation or have asked me to
actually install ImgBurn for them, so far not one has said anything
like "too complicated" or "not user friendly", and that's without
reading any guides. I guess I should count my blessings.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

The free ImgBurn is all I use and I use it almost daily to burn .ISOs
of CDs and DVDs. A business need. It has worked flawlessly for several years.

Chris

The other day I made a .iso backup of a software DVD with ImgBurn; it
took about 12.5 minutes. Since that seemed way too long, I repeated the
operation with CBBurnerXP; it took about 2.5 minutes.

Of course, there is a possibility that some of the DVD contents were
cached somwhere: I did the second copy without rebooting. Someday I
should try to remember to repeat the experiment.

The two iso files were identical, BTW.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

As a long-time ImgBurn user, I must admit that it would be nice to
have this feature available. Although I've never asked in the forum,
I suspect this is by design. Lightning UK, the program's developer,
may not want ImgBurn to build a reputation as a disc copier. He never
seems to comment on the issue when others raise it.

6U

"create imagefile from disk"
"write imagefile to disk"
will make a copy from any disk with IMGBURN, will it not?

 

[Chris S.]

The other day I made a .iso backup of a software DVD with ImgBurn; it took
about 12.5 minutes. Since that seemed way too long, I repeated the
operation with CBBurnerXP; it took about 2.5 minutes.

Of course, there is a possibility that some of the DVD contents were
cached somwhere: I did the second copy without rebooting. Someday I should
try to remember to repeat the experiment.

The two iso files were identical, BTW.

ImgBurn, to me, does a lot more validity checks than most. The burn speed
control is
beyond reproach. I burn with conservative speeds and have never made
"coasters".
I have settled on Verbatim Media as my default disks, after years of
testing. I've hit
the developer's "Tip Jar" more than once! YMMV....

Chris

 

[Paul]

ImgBurn, to me, does a lot more validity checks than most. The burn
speed control is
beyond reproach. I burn with conservative speeds and have never made
"coasters".
I have settled on Verbatim Media as my default disks, after years of
testing. I've hit
the developer's "Tip Jar" more than once! YMMV....

Chris

Sometimes, you have to evaluate software that just doesn't work,
to fully appreciate stuff that does work.

I've never had a problem with Imgburn. I used separate DVD authoring
software, and used Imgburn for the final dual layer burn, and Imgburn handled
the layer switch properly (that was a learning experience for me,
but I got it done eventually). I learned enough while using Imgburn
for that, to realize I'd put my video project together in a wrong way.

To give examples in another OS, Linux

1) K3B. Similar to Imgburn, in that lots of details are
exposed. But, the software does end up producing working
optical media, no complaints.

2) Brasero (for Gnome(. The developers decided to do a "dumbed down"
interface. Only one small problem with it. Virtually any time
I go to test it, the interface buttons are greyed out, and there
are no error messages. That makes the "pretty GUI", completely
useless. In this example, my "Copy" button would be "unclickable".
How annoying is that ?

http://projects.gnome.org/brasero/images/copy-disc.png

I despise Brasero enough on Ubuntu, I actually remastered the CD
and put K3B on it instead. I removed OpenOffice (which I don't
typically use when maintenance booting a PC), and the space
freed up, left enough room for the KDE library dependencies of K3B.
If a PC is broken, I've just downloaded an offline AV scanner,
I can use my remastered Ubuntu disc as a "portable burning package",
to convert the download I just did, into something I can scan the
PC with.

So if the complaint was that "Imgburn is a little complicated
and I might hurt myself...", I would argue that the other extreme
is software products that have *never* produced a working disc
(because the interface buttons are all turned grey). I would much
rather have software that dumps hex codes all over the screen,
than have a software that silently fails and presents you with
unclickable buttons.

Paul

 

[Nil]

I guess it must be a YMMV kind of thing. Almost all of my
customers are skewed heavily toward the non-tech end of the
spectrum, and for those who have either asked for a recommendation
or have asked me to actually install ImgBurn for them, so far not
one has said anything like "too complicated" or "not user
friendly", and that's without reading any guides. I guess I should
count my blessings.

Well, to come back to your example, ImgBurn has no "Copy Disk"
function, which I guess is a very common task for most people, and
which most other burning apps have right up front. The interface is
quirky and rather unlike it's peers, and IMO less intuitive.

I can make it do what I want, but I'd think twice about giving the
program to my mother.

 

[Six Underground]

Well, to come back to your example, ImgBurn has no "Copy Disk"
function, which I guess is a very common task for most people, and
which most other burning apps have right up front.

As a long-time ImgBurn user, I must admit that it would be nice to
have this feature available. Although I've never asked in the forum,
I suspect this is by design. Lightning UK, the program's developer,
may not want ImgBurn to build a reputation as a disc copier. He never
seems to comment on the issue when others raise it.

6U

 

[Six Underground]

"create imagefile from disk"
"write imagefile to disk"
will make a copy from any disk with IMGBURN, will it not?

Yes, but the objective is to make it a single operation instead of a
two-step process.

Enjoy the day.

6U

 

[Paul]

Yes, but the objective is to make it a single operation instead of a
two-step process.

Enjoy the day.

6U

The program "has some history", so it's easy to imagine
how it ended up the way it has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

"ImgBurn is an optical disc authoring software created
by Lightning UK, the author of DVD Decrypter, after he
was forced to stop development of DVD Decrypter in response
to a cease and desist order from Macrovision."

I can see how designing a "reader" and "writer", avoids
the stigma of making a "copier". And having the same
lawyers sniffing around again.

As for "making burning CDs and DVDs something your mom can do",
that's not going to happen any time soon. As long as the
process can produce "coasters", there'll be a "need for
tech support" Making a pretty GUI, with a single push
button, is only a fraction of what's needed.

The dumbed down interfaces on some burning tools, are
actually a detriment to getting results. Tools which
"expose" things more, so you can see that many settings
are present (but don't necessarily need to be adjusted),
has its advantages. In the case of Imgburn, the exposed
details helped teach me about the importance of the
layer break when I was authoring a dual-layer DVD.
If I'd used a dumbed down tool, it might have produced
a DVD all right, but I would probably have needed to
chuck the disc and do it again. I ended up wasting
fewer discs, by using a tool that didn't hide the details.
(And at the time, I think I only bought a 5-pack of media,
so I couldn't afford to waste them. It's not like I had a
full spindle to burn through. I don't do dual layer
that often.)

Paul

 

[Six Underground]

The program "has some history", so it's easy to imagine
how it ended up the way it has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imgburn

"ImgBurn is an optical disc authoring software created
by Lightning UK, the author of DVD Decrypter, after he
was forced to stop development of DVD Decrypter in response
to a cease and desist order from Macrovision."

I can see how designing a "reader" and "writer", avoids
the stigma of making a "copier". And having the same
lawyers sniffing around again.

Very interesting. It did occur to me that he might be trying to cover
his butt, and I can certainly appreciate his position.

Thanks much for the info!

Regards,

6U

 

[Neil Turkenkopf]

"Ant" wrote in message
Thanks Ant, but he's stubborn and unwilling to pursue this any further.
Neil ¦¬D
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Hi folks!

I have a friend who just recently got a new HP PC. It's running Windows
7 Home Premium 64 bit with 6 GB RAM.
He wants to install an ancient version of Nero (6.0) and would then like
to update it to its max version 6.6.

I can't really find any definite answers on Nero's website re the old
version, just constant suggestions to Upgrade to v12.
Does anyone here know if this will work properly? I personally use v10
with no problems, it's the older v6 that I'm not sure of.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Neil ¦¬D

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