R
ray
Unfortunately, Gnome3 and KDE4 seem headed the same direction.
B
BeeJ
As I have told my friends, MS does not understand ergonomics or
consistency and probably never will. Perhaps this presents opportunity
for 3rd parties to excel.
What is happening in the corporate world, still XP?
consistency and probably never will. Perhaps this presents opportunity
for 3rd parties to excel.
What is happening in the corporate world, still XP?
P
Paul
ray said:
People will flock to the distros, with an interface they can use.
That's why that article mentioned Mint, as a distro standing a
chance. Ubuntu itself, is still headed in the wrong direction.
I'd disagree with that article a bit, in that Unity isn't as usable
as Metro. In Unity, I have trouble finding where to launch a
terminal window from, while in Metro, I can kinda get around.
But as far as Metro goes, I head for the desktop and try to
stay there as much as I can. It's like riding on a raft in
the middle of a flood. Every once in a while, your feet get wet,
and you have to pull them back onto the raft.
<---- I own a whole OS ---->
+-------------+--------------+
| | But I |
| | float on |
| | this half |
+-------------+--------------+
<--- Metro ---><-- Desktop -->
Paul
S
SC Tom
Paul said:
I agree with staying on the desktop more often than not. I think if MS makes the desktop more like what Windows 7/XP
users are used to, they may have a winner with Win8. The best of both worlds- metro for the tablet/iphone set and real
Windows for the rest of the us. That's as long as the OS is stable and (mostly) bug free. Of course that's just my
opinion; others may have a different one, but that's OK, too
R
Rob
Windows 7 is most sysops client OS of choice these days. One
reason is the end of XP support in 2014, and most corporates
require vendor support to be in the contract (which is much better
for corporates than home users, of course.)
A
arnold
I suspect you are correct. I'm retired and don't have occasion to visit a
large corporation, but in most small businesses I've still observed XP in
use. Of course the small business is not buying vendor support, but
relying on local or self help if needed.
Z
Zaphod Beeblebrox
We are in the midst of an XP to Win7 migration, as are several other
companies I work with. All are expecting to skip Win8, and possibly
Win9, depending on timing and features (or lack thereof).
W
Wolf K
On 22/03/2012 10:17 PM, SC Tom wrote:
[snip]
That's what I expected Win8 to be, but it appears that it won't be the
case. No Win8 for me.
Besides, the Metro GUI is ugly.
Wolf K.
[snip]
That's what I expected Win8 to be, but it appears that it won't be the
case. No Win8 for me.
Besides, the Metro GUI is ugly.
Wolf K.
S
SC Tom
Wolf K said:
Well, I was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, but I've had to reinstall it twice in the last three days, and
it locked up on shutdown today, making me force a power off. Now it won't start again. The fish comes up with the
spinning dots below it, and just sits there. I booted from the DVD and tried a number of the recovery tools, all to no
avail. Refresh, Reset. . . nada. I thought maybe I'd do a System Restore (first thing I tried), but guess what, there
are none. Is SR turned off as the default? I'd look, but. . .
Maybe I'll format/install again, but not anytime real soon unless I read of any changes that may make it a bit more
stable, or at least for me.
J
Joe Morris
Rob said:
That's one way of looking at it; another view - which involves mostly the
same issues and mostly the same conclusions - is that large organizations
(business and government) have legal, financial, and reputational reasons to
avoid being the victim of a successful attack that wasn't promptly detected
and contained. That's the reason on 8 April 2014 (Patch Tuesday!) Windows
XP will suddenly become prohibited software in many shops.
If you want to scare yourself, consider all of the computers running Windows
XP which are controlling equipment rather than letting a warm body run
programs...especially when the equipment vendor refuses to patch the system,
and/or where there is nobody around who knows anything about the system
because it's been running unattended for so many years. Now consider the
probable number of such systems that the IT staff never heard about, perhaps
because it was connected informally (or with ambiguous documentation) into
the network.
And (obviously more for businesses than your typical consumer) security fix
support for Server 2003 ends 14 July 2015. Large shops have probably
(hopefully) set up a plan to transition to a newer server before then, but
small and medium-sized shops will probably continue to run after support
ends...with predictable consequences. CVE and SANS reports might make
interesting reading for anyone interested in security.
Joe
J
Joerg Jaeger
Got to check that out. Still use KDE4 as my main UI.
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DanS
Windows XP......controlling equipment?
vs. "letting a warm body run programs..."?
(That doesn't make a lot of sense, to me anyway.)
J
J. P. Gilliver (John)
He meant controlling things, mostly unattended: ATMs, traffic lights,DanS said:
ATC, nuclear installations ... as opposed to being there as an operating
system so that a human can do things with their computer.
J
Joe Morris
Correct. As in HVAC, PABX telephone systems, physical security/badge
readers, and even NAS boxes. It's {amazing, terrifying} how many places in
a large organization one can unexpectedly run into a Windows system where
you least expect it.
Joe
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Bob Henson
Although retired now (so it doesn't matter so much to me) I suspect
you're saying what most are thinking. Windows 8 is a joke for commercial
purposes, unless Metro can be easily and entirely removed in the final
version - no-one would touch it with a bargepole. The same applies to
Ubuntu's Unity and similar - these "Legoland" interfaces are OK for
"fondleslabs" and other kid's toy computers, but in a working
environment no-one will even consider them.
--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK
Monday is a terrible way to spend 1/7th of your life.
Z
Zaphod Beeblebrox
That, and also since our equipment replacement cycle is fairly long
just normal timing will probably place us beyond Windows 8 into Windows
9, or later, since Microsoft has accelerated their release cycle.
R
ray
I think you're spot on. Developers have become so obsesses by 'smart
phones' and other small devices that they are trying to make the desktop
look like a phone. Does not cut it for anything productive.
W
...winston
"Bob Henson" wrote in message Although retired now (so it doesn't matter so much to me) I suspect
you're saying what most are thinking. Windows 8 is a joke for commercial
purposes, unless Metro can be easily and entirely removed in the final
version - no-one would touch it with a bargepole. The same applies to
Ubuntu's Unity and similar - these "Legoland" interfaces are OK for
"fondleslabs" and other kid's toy computers, but in a working
environment no-one will even consider them.
[/QUOTE]
For the most part that may be true, yet once Win8 goes RTM the availability
of a prior o/s only lasts so long. Replacement and new pc's (OEM, System
builders) may also (if past history proves correct) offer a downgrade to
Win7 for a period of time. In either case a 'period of time' does not mean
'in perpetuity'.
i.e. Many looking for replacement or new pcs won't have a choice.
you're saying what most are thinking. Windows 8 is a joke for commercial
purposes, unless Metro can be easily and entirely removed in the final
version - no-one would touch it with a bargepole. The same applies to
Ubuntu's Unity and similar - these "Legoland" interfaces are OK for
"fondleslabs" and other kid's toy computers, but in a working
environment no-one will even consider them.
[/QUOTE]
For the most part that may be true, yet once Win8 goes RTM the availability
of a prior o/s only lasts so long. Replacement and new pc's (OEM, System
builders) may also (if past history proves correct) offer a downgrade to
Win7 for a period of time. In either case a 'period of time' does not mean
'in perpetuity'.
i.e. Many looking for replacement or new pcs won't have a choice.
B
Bob Henson
Hopefully, most will be able to skip to Windows 9, assuming that
Microsoft have to come up with something better quite quickly when they
realise how big a mistake Windows 8 is (surely they must already know?).
In the meantime, for anyone stuck with 8, it is possible to hack it into
a usable form and get rid of Metro - there will at least be a market for
third party "conversions" programs to do that, for those that can't do
it themselves.
--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.