Linux

[Student]

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and
eSata enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with
OS2.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

xxx

 

[Gordon]

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and
eSata enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with
OS2.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

xxx

Missed the boat with WHAT?

 

[ray]

Missed the boat with WHAT?

Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they
had a better product.

 

[Stefan Patric]

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

Intrigued? In what way?

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata
enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2.

In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time
around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known
that would not be the case.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

"Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask
me which OS is "best."

From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10-
years-ago user,

Stef

 

[BillW50]

In

Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they
had a better product.

No way! I ran OS/2 v2.x and I was a beta tester for OS/2 v3. And the
beta testing things were doing just fine. But just like in IBM's style,
they screwed up in the released version. They changed many of the
drivers and a huge amount of beta testers couldn't even get it to
install (including myself).

Better product, my eye! I have at least a dozen computers right in this
room alone. And I can take that Warp install CD and I can guarantee you
that it will not install on any of them. Then there was all of those
FixPaks! Most of them broke more than they fixed. And old bugs were
coming back to haunt OS/2. That is because every time IBM tried to fix
something, they made it worse than ever before. Then they would plug
back the old code that had the old bugs.

It wasn't a failure of IBM's marketing! Hell IBM spent 2 billion dollars
on OS/2 alone. It was a failure of IBM's programmers couldn't program
their way out of a wet paper bag. And IBM made promises they couldn't
keep. This later became well known as FUD.

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 -
they had a better product.

Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system
costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux
seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows.

 

[Gordon]

Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system
costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux
seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows.

So can you explain why Linux netbooks, that were OUTSELLING the
equivalent Windows ones, suddenly disappeared from the shelves?
Surely retailers give their customers what they want to buy, and they
wanted Linux Netbooks and yet, suddenly, they all disappeared, with only
XP netbooks available, all of a sudden.
Now I wonder WHY that happened?

 

[Big Steel]

Sorry, but it's the other way round. Beryl and Compiz came out before
Aero and is much more configurable. A mini view from the task bar of
open apps came out in Linux long before Vista had it. Linux has had
multiple imaging programs long before Windows 7 had it. Linux had a UAC
long before Vista. Windows has yet to have multiple desktops without
third party programs. Windows has yet to have one source for updates.
Windows has yet to have the architecture that Linux has to prevent
malware. The reason that Windows is number one is not quality but
marketing and FUD, FUD which you seemed to have swallowed whole.

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

 

[Gordon]

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers are
Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the Windows
ones DO?

 

[Big Steel]

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers are
Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the Windows
ones DO?

Bullshit, the Linux Web servers are being compromised all of the time.

<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...gainst_linux_apache_servers_intensifying.html>

 

[BillW50]

In

So can you explain why Linux netbooks, that were OUTSELLING the
equivalent Windows ones, suddenly disappeared from the shelves?

That is an easy answer. As I have four of those netbooks that came with
Linux on them. Because none of them came with Windows at first and they
only came with Linux on them. You couldn't buy a netbook back then with
Windows on it. As there just wasn't any.

Windows could run on them, but they didn't sell netbooks with Windows on
them because Windows licenses would add too much of the cost of the
netbook. They did include Windows drivers if you wanted to put Windows
on it (which you had to provide yourself). And that is what most people
did.

Then Microsoft came along and told the manufactures if you want Windows
on them, we'll give you netbook pricing for Windows. They jumped at the
deal. And all of those Linux netbooks suddenly became unsellable. As
nobody wanted a Linux netbook if they could get a Windows one for a few
bucks more.

Surely retailers give their customers what they want to buy, and they
wanted Linux Netbooks and yet, suddenly, they all disappeared, with
only XP netbooks available, all of a sudden.
Now I wonder WHY that happened?

Customers didn't want Linux netbooks, they wanted Windows netbooks. And
once became available and affordable for netbooks, Linux netbooks
disappeared.

There has been a number of manufactures who refuses to sell any machines
with Windows on them (including IBM for a time). All had to learn the
hard lesson that Linux machines don't sell and virtually nobody wants
them.

 

[Gordon]

In

That is an easy answer. As I have four of those netbooks that came with
Linux on them. Because none of them came with Windows at first

Not so. Linux Netbooks were being sold alongside XP Netbooks at about
the same cost. At least they were here. And Linux netbooks were
outselling the Windows ones even so. And suddenly they disappeared...

only came with Linux on them. You couldn't buy a netbook back then with
Windows on it. As there just wasn't any.

Oh yes there were. I bought one of the very fist Netbooks - a Toshiba
NB100 and there were Windows netbooks being sold alongside it...

 

[Big Steel]

And the reason you think I would care what someone who has some big
steel stuck up his ass believes?

I don't care what you care or believe in -- you are nothing, zero, not
worth anything.

 

[Big Steel]

Puhlease, the above article is three years old.

I don't care if it was last week. If you think something made by man
can't be attacked by another man, you are really are a big time fool.

 

[Big Steel]

On 4/2/2011 9:24 AM, Alias wrote:

<snipped a fool's babble>

You fool.....

 

[BillW50]

In

Not so. Linux Netbooks were being sold alongside XP Netbooks at about
the same cost. At least they were here. And Linux netbooks were
outselling the Windows ones even so. And suddenly they disappeared...

No, no! I was watching all of this very carefully. And you could see it
on eBay clear as a bell. The Linux ones were not selling and the Windows
ones sold like hotcakes. You also saw a lot of them that originally had
Linux on them, but was selling on eBay with Windows installed. You could
tell them from the keyboard (no Windows key, just the Linux Home key
instead) and the missing Windows stickers.

Oh yes there were. I bought one of the very fist Netbooks - a Toshiba
NB100 and there were Windows netbooks being sold alongside it...

Your first netbook doesn't count (as Toshiba was a late comer). The
first netbooks were made by Asus and nobody else back in 2007. And they
only came with Xandros Linux and Windows XP drivers and nothing else.
There were no other options. Yes I bought a few of them.

Even though they didn't include Windows, many users were putting Windows
on them anyway. And many other manufactures realized they missed the
boat (most experts said netbooks would never sell) and virtually all of
them scrambled to come out with their own netbooks. Which started to
appear in early 2008. About this same time, Windows also started to
appear on some of the netbooks.

And when people had a real choice between Windows netbooks and Linux
netbooks, Windows ones were far outselling Linux ones. I know, I was
there. The only reason why Linux ones sold so well at first is because
Linux netbooks were very easy to find. And Windows ones were hard to
find since they sold out very fast. So many bought Linux ones (including
me) and put on their own Windows on them.

 

[Big Steel]

On 4/2/2011 9:32 AM, Alias wrote:

<snipped a fool's babble>

You fool.....

 

[Big Steel]

On 4/2/2011 9:36 AM, Alias wrote:

<snipped a fool's babble>

You foolish fool......

 

[Big Steel]

On 04/02/2011 03:35 PM, BillW50 wrote:

<snipped>

Can you stop yanking the clown Alias' chain BillW50? He is not talking
about anything but Linux being parked up his John Brown behind parts.

 

[BillW50]

In

Never said that. What I *have* said is that Linux is bulletproof
*compared* to Windows.

A Linux virus gains root control by a simple buffer overflow. So how is
it bulletproof compared to Windows? Gee that is how Windows viruses does
it too. Maybe Linux should try another bulletproof vest? ;-)

Having said that, those vulnerabilities were patched long ago, please
try to keep up or can you with that big steel shoved up your sorry
ass?

Gee Windows doesn't get patches too? Funny that is what I thought those
Windows Updates are for. ;-)

So when did Linux become Gold and there is no more holes in Linux to be
found? I missed that announcement, so can you show it to us? Because the
last I heard is that Linux had holes in it since the beginning, three
years ago, today and long into the future.