WLM QuoteFix

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Windows Live Mail. Quote, or no quote?

Microsoft has never bothered to make a proper newsreader for Usenet. They've
been offering their e-mail client Outlook Express for the purpose for ages.
It works reasonably well, aided by little utilities like OE-QuoteFix.

But now we have Windows 7, we have no more Outlook Express. Instead, we have
Windows Live Mail, and we have trouble with it. It is a not too bad
newsreader, apparently, but it is a terrible newswriter! It is completely
and blissfully unaware of all the common Usenet practices, like bottom
posting, cutting off quoted signatures, indenting with quote character,
inserting signatures... As if Microsoft is purposely killing Usenet! Yet,
all of it doesn't prevent people from using it to post Usenet messages with
it.
It shouldn't bother me, as I don't use Windows Live Mail, but it does. I
have to struggle to read and folow terribly formatted messages.
Solution, QuoteFix!

Unfortunately, OE-QuoteFix that used to save us in the past doesn't work
with Windows Live Mail.
So, to help myself by helping others, I have created a simple script to
address the issue. Let's call it WLM QuoteFix. To use it, you have to...
Install AutoHotkey. It is a powerful yet simple scripting interpreter for
Windows automation. Any version will suffice, but full Unicode version is
necessary to properly handle international characters. It can be run without
installing, in portable mode and without administrative privileges, if you
are worried about it affecting your system.
Download this script. Edit it (right mouse click, select Edit Script).
Enter your signature in the place of generic one, adjust signature line
counter (SigLines=x) as necessary. Save the changes.
Run the script (double click). You will notice a new icon in the system
tray , that is our script waiting to be called.

If it looks a bit too complicated, just download and run this compiled
version. It is fully functional, but obviously cannot be customized.
--
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"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta in January 2009, Linux
had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
[............]
"Ultimately, Linux is doomed on the desktop because of a critical lack of
content. And that lack of content owes its existence to two key factors: the
fragmentation of the Linux platform, and the fierce ideology of the
open-source community at large."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...m_is_dead.html

Clog-wog wrote:

> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>
> But now we have Windows 7,

Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10

The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. Lots of users still back on Windows XP
chose to switch from OE to WLM. The problem isn't just because Windows
7 appeared and users don't have an edition that supports XP Mode of the
users don't use it. It's a problem with the users choosing WLM as their
newsreader. For Windows 7 users, there was no included newsreader so
those users had to go install one. It was *their* choice to go with WLM
instead of a better NNTP client. They chose a crappy one and are too
lazy to bother using a better one.

> we have no more Outlook Express.

Not necessarily true. That depends on which EDITION of Windows 7 that
you have. Some editions allow you to run XP Mode which is a license to
run a virtualized copy of Windows XP (which comes with IE6 which was the
last version to bundle in OE). You can have OE on Windows 7 if you have
XP Mode.

> Install AutoHotkey.

Rather than require the installation and use of a 3rd party scripting
tool, I have to wonder if the scripting engine (wscript) already
included in Windows (or powerscript after including in a Windows Update)
couldn't be used instead.

> Download this script. Edit it (right mouse click, select Edit Script).

For OE now WLM users who are too lazy to modify their replies before
submitting them, I doubt they will suddenly become energized to be
editing scripts or to even initiate the script before replying. If you
have a car owner that never checked their tire pressures on their own
intitiative, you think putting a tire guage in their glove box is going
to change their preexisting behavior?

> Run the script (double click). You will notice a new icon in the system
> tray , that is our script waiting to be called.

Unlike OE-QuoteFix, there is nothing automatic with this AutoHotkey
script. The user must first compose a reply (so there is a window with
content on which the script can manipulate) and then remember to hit the
hotkey or click the icon to run the AutoHotkey script. Yeah, better
than nothing; however, using a better newsreader is also not only better
than nothing but a smarter choice.

On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Clog-wog wrote:
>
>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>
>> But now we have Windows 7,
>
> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
> of users are still on Windows XP.
>
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>
> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
> because they moved to Windows 7. ...

The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
(other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
the highly informed will consider installing anything else.

"Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>
>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>
>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>
>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>
>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>
> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>

The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
other than Mac machines ... -))

On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:
>
> "Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>>
>>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>>
>>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>>
>>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
>>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
>>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>>
>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>>
>>>
>>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>>
>> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
>> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
>> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>>
>
> The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
> other than Mac machines ... -))

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.

"Rob" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:
>>
>> "Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>>>
>>>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>>>
>>>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
>>>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
>>>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>>>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>>>
>>> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
>>> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
>>> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>>>
>>
>> The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
>> other than Mac machines ... -))
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
> Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
>

I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/20724...#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.

"Rob" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:
>>
>> "Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>>>
>>>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>>>
>>>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
>>>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
>>>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>>>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>>>
>>> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
>>> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
>>> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>>>
>>
>> The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
>> other than Mac machines ... -))
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
> Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
>

I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/20724...#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.

"Forte" <> wrote in message
news:EEvBp.5531$2...
> "Rob" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:
>>>
>>> "Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>>>>
>>>>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots
>>>>> of
>>>>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
>>>>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>>>>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>>>>
>>>> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
>>>> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
>>>> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
>>> other than Mac machines ... -))
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
>> Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
>>
>
> I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
> However you may be right in general, although MS is not
> taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
> That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
> wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
> Mac's gamble paid off.
>
> BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...
>
> "Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
> by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
> A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
> versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
> operating system.
> Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
> at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different
> versions
> of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
> [...]
>
> Read more:
> http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/20724...#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
> The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
>

And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better than
90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do as I say,
not as I do." ;-)
--
SC Tom

SC Tom wrote:
>
> "Forte" <> wrote in message
> news:EEvBp.5531$2...
>> "Rob" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Anthony Buckland" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>> Clog-wog wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But now we have Windows 7,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7.
>>>>>> Lots of
>>>>>> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>> of users are still on Windows XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
>>>>>> because they moved to Windows 7. ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
>>>>> (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
>>>>> the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
>>>> other than Mac machines ... -))
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
>>> Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
>> However you may be right in general, although MS is not
>> taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
>> That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
>> wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
>> Mac's gamble paid off.
>>
>> BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...
>>
>> "Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
>> by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
>> A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
>> versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
>> operating system.
>> Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services,
>> said
>> at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different
>> versions
>> of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC)
>> models.
>> [...]
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/20724...#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
>>
>> The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
>>
>
> And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?
>
> I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
> Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better
> than 90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do as
> I say, not as I do." ;-)

And don't forget how Linux is going to conquer the world at any moment. :-)

Personally, I wish Microsoft would release and updated version of
Windows 2000.
--
Crash

"Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side."
~ Obi-Wan Kenobi ~

"VanguardLH" <> schreef in bericht
news:ir4bd2$43e$...
> Clog-wog wrote:
>
>> http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/
>>
>> But now we have Windows 7,
>
> Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
> users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
> of users are still on Windows XP.
>
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper....aspx?qprid=10
>
> The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
> because they moved to Windows 7. Lots of users still back on Windows XP
> chose to switch from OE to WLM. The problem isn't just because Windows
> 7 appeared and users don't have an edition that supports XP Mode of the
> users don't use it. It's a problem with the users choosing WLM as their
> newsreader. For Windows 7 users, there was no included newsreader so
> those users had to go install one. It was *their* choice to go with WLM
> instead of a better NNTP client. They chose a crappy one and are too
> lazy to bother using a better one.
>
>> we have no more Outlook Express.
>
> Not necessarily true. That depends on which EDITION of Windows 7 that
> you have. Some editions allow you to run XP Mode which is a license to
> run a virtualized copy of Windows XP (which comes with IE6 which was the
> last version to bundle in OE). You can have OE on Windows 7 if you have
> XP Mode.
>
>> Install AutoHotkey.
>
> Rather than require the installation and use of a 3rd party scripting
> tool, I have to wonder if the scripting engine (wscript) already
> included in Windows (or powerscript after including in a Windows Update)
> couldn't be used instead.
>
>> Download this script. Edit it (right mouse click, select Edit Script).
>
> For OE now WLM users who are too lazy to modify their replies before
> submitting them, I doubt they will suddenly become energized to be
> editing scripts or to even initiate the script before replying. If you
> have a car owner that never checked their tire pressures on their own
> intitiative, you think putting a tire guage in their glove box is going
> to change their preexisting behavior?
>
>> Run the script (double click). You will notice a new icon in the system
>> tray , that is our script waiting to be called.
>
> Unlike OE-QuoteFix, there is nothing automatic with this AutoHotkey
> script. The user must first compose a reply (so there is a window with
> content on which the script can manipulate) and then remember to hit the
> hotkey or click the icon to run the AutoHotkey script. Yeah, better
> than nothing; however, using a better newsreader is also not only better
> than nothing but a smarter choice.


Please tell the "average user" how to export all their account settings,
contacts, e-mail to any other e-mail & news client (Forté Agent, Seamonkey
a.s.o)?
It's just a logical step to move from OE + (Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WM +
(Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WLM + QuoteFix, IMHO, for most users of an
e-mail *&* news client.