WindowsLiveMail doesn't work

"Nil" <> wrote in message
news:Xns9DF5B338BD650nilch1@81.169.183.62...
> On 16 Sep 2010, "Ips-Switch" <Ips-> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
>> But why wont WLM work? isn't it supposed to?
>
> Of course it does. It works just fine for everybody else. If it doesn't
> work for you, you've got it set up wrong.

We're still working on that part but both OE and WM work for us.

>> I have TB. I can't have more than one account per NSP on it.
>
> What's "NSP"?
>
> I have three email accounts and two news accounts in Thunderbird.

NSP = NewsServiceProvider for Usenet. TB allows only one account PER NSP.
We have several accounts with the same NSPs.

>
>> How do we get WM to open and be used on W-7? Please if you know,
>> tell me!!!!!! It's on there but wont open.
>
> Why are you hiding the details of your setup from us? What's the big
> secret? Are you waiting for us to beg?

What set up? It's a W-7/SP2 Home Premium 64-bit/ Is that what you mean?

>
> This should be required reading:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Ken Blake" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:51:10 -0700, "Alex Clayton"
> <> wrote:
>
>> "Valorie *~~" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > WLM doesn't work on my W-7 brand new PC. I can get email but cannot
>> > send
>> > it. Also why is it downloading Junk-Mail Gmail already deleted? Why
>> > the
>> > hell would anyone want hundreds and hundreds of spam messages sent to
>> > WLM?
>> >
>> > How do I get WLM to send messages? Everything is entered correctly and
>> > yet they do not leave the outbox.
>> >
>> > I'm working over 40 hours on that *&^%$#@ computer and still have no
>> > success, nor can I install a mail client that works such as MS
>> > WindowsMail.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Can you use a web based e-mail program like G-Mail or Yahoo?
>>
>> I never have used OE, Or WM or WLM for e-mail. Just use web based both
>> Yahoo
>> and G-Mail.
>
>
> A contrary opinion here: unless you get only a tiny amount of e-mail,
> web-based e-mail is the slowest, clumsiest, and worst possible way to
> do it.
>
> You generally don't need to use anything like GMail or Yahoo, since
> web-based mail is available for most e-mail accounts with ISPs. It's
> nice to have web-based mail available for your account for times when
> you are traveling and have no e-mail access other than through a
> public computer, but I strongly recommending avoiding it as the normal
> way to do e-mail.

I agree. (sorry about the name change. He's working on the PCs here) and I'm
getting distracted. We take along our laptop on trips and when we hit a
hotspot, we jump on and get our email.

>

"Nil" <> wrote in message
news:Xns9DF5B0E0BD0E2nilch1@81.169.183.62...
> On 16 Sep 2010, Tony <> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
>> Get a pirated version of office 2007. It has outlook express in it
>> and that should solve your problem.
>
> I don't know where you got that idea from, but it is 100% wrong.

I think Office comes with Outlook and no NGs.

"Frank" <> wrote in message news:4c928a1e$...
> On 9/16/2010 1:33 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> WLM doesn't work on my W-7 brand new PC. I can get email but cannot
>> send it. Also why is it downloading Junk-Mail Gmail already deleted? Why
>> the hell would anyone want hundreds and hundreds of spam messages sent
>> to WLM?
>>
>> How do I get WLM to send messages? Everything is entered correctly and
>> yet they do not leave the outbox.
>>
>> I'm working over 40 hours on that *&^%$#@ computer and still have no
>> success, nor can I install a mail client that works such as MS
>> WindowsMail.
>>
>>
> Try reinstalling.
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...ive-essentials


We may end up doing just that. Thanks.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:21:22 -0500, "Ips-Switch"
<Ips-> wrote:

> "Ken Blake" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:33:46 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >> WLM doesn't work on my W-7 brand new PC. I can get email but cannot
> >> send
> >> it. Also why is it downloading Junk-Mail Gmail already deleted? Why the
> >> hell would anyone want hundreds and hundreds of spam messages sent to
> >> WLM?
> >>
> >> How do I get WLM to send messages? Everything is entered correctly and
> >> yet
> >> they do not leave the outbox.
> >>
> >> I'm working over 40 hours on that *&^%$#@ computer and still have no
> >> success, nor can I install a mail client that works such as MS
> >> WindowsMail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course you can install one. There are lots of them. You have many
> > choices of e-mail programs--some by Microsoft, others by other
> > companies.
>
> But why wont WLM work? isn't it supposed to?



Yes, of course. It's supposed to and it does. It's difficult for us to
provide you with help on your problem unless you give us all the
details including the exact verbatim text of any messages you get.


> I've looked at other news
> cients that don't have Newsgroups. I've looked at one with that don't allow
> multiple NSP accounts.


NSP? What do you mean by NSP?


> I looked at one that would take a MS VIP or software
> writer to understand. I didn't buy W-7 with the notion to scramble looking
> for a news/mail program like OE or WM.


Which e-mail client or newsreader you use is your choice entirely. But
let me point out that you probably think that Windows Live Mail came
with Windows 7. If that's what you think, you are wrong. Your computer
vendor may have included it in what he sold you, but that was his
choice; it didn't come with Windows.

Here's my standard message on this subject:

Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
last version of Windows to include it.

Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
newer version of Outlook Express), but that is also gone in Windows 7
(however it can be brought into Windows 7 from a Windows Vista
machine).

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).




> Personally I don't like either Windows Live Mail *or*
> > Windows Mail, but the choice is yours. I use and like Outlook, but
> > many people have other preferences. Thunderbird, for example, is a
> > common choice.
>
> I have TB. I can't have more than one account per NSP on it.


Again, I don't know what you mean by TSP.


> > Windows Mail *does* work under Windows 7. Just copy it from a Vista
> > machine.
>
> We did that and replaced the right dll for 64-bit and it wont open. How do
> we get WM to open on W-7 64-bit?


Sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask. I've never done it myself. But I'm
sure someone else here can tell you.



> > Windows Live Mail also works. You say "Everything is entered correctly
> > and yet they do not leave the outbox," but clearly that is wrong.
> > Something is *not* entered correctly. Check your SMTP settings and
> > check with your ISP to see what they should be.
>
> We already did that several times. We checked and rechecked and removed and
> replaced the accounts.


Understood, but *something* you have done is clearly wrong. I've done
it successfully and I know many others who also have.



> > Whatever the issue is with GMail messages, it's more likely to be a
> > GMail issue than a Windows Live Mail one.
> >
>
> How do we get WM to open and be used on W-7? Please if you know, tell
> me!!!!!! It's on there but wont open.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:25:39 -0500, "Ips-Switch"
<Ips-> wrote:


> No, I hate web-based email. I get my email (gmail, and my ISPs email)
> through WindowsMail on this Vista machine. I also need one that does
> Usenet, like OE or WM.


Just a quick comment: you do *not* need a single program that does
both, and there's nothing wrong with using the program you like best
for e-mail and a different program you like better for newsgroups,
even if one of those programs can do both.

Personally I use Outlook 2010 for e-mail and Forte Agent 6.0 for
newsgroups. Even though Agent can do e-mail I don't use that
capability of it.

"Nil" <> wrote in message
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> On 16 Sep 2010, "Valorie *~~" <> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
>> Everything is entered correctly and yet they do not leave the
>> outbox.
>
> That is obviously NOT true. But since you don't bother to tell us
> any details about the problem or your setup, I guess you're just going
> have to live with it.


I'm not sure which details you want exactly. The details (?) are the
messages go to some folder (no outbox) and then sit there forever even
though I clicked for them to leave immediately. If I hit sync they sit
there executing and may or may not leave. Also, messages to my NSPs sit
there and are not sent to the News servers. OE and WM work just fine on the
older PCs. The accounts thing is very similar in all of them. We tried to
move WM to W-7 but it wont open. I see people are unhappy with WLM and are
moving WM to their W-7 PCs if they can.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:23:16 +0000 (UTC), Nil
<> wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2010, Tony <> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
> > Get a pirated version of office 2007. It has outlook express in it
> > and that should solve your problem.
>
> I don't know where you got that idea from, but it is 100% wrong.



I can guess where he that 100% wrong idea from (and I'll bet I'm
right). He doesn't know that Outlook Express and Outlook are two very
different programs.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:53:48 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
<> wrote:

> "Ken Blake" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:51:10 -0700, "Alex Clayton"
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >> "Valorie *~~" <> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >> > WLM doesn't work on my W-7 brand new PC. I can get email but cannot
> >> > send
> >> > it. Also why is it downloading Junk-Mail Gmail already deleted? Why
> >> > the
> >> > hell would anyone want hundreds and hundreds of spam messages sent to
> >> > WLM?
> >> >
> >> > How do I get WLM to send messages? Everything is entered correctly and
> >> > yet they do not leave the outbox.
> >> >
> >> > I'm working over 40 hours on that *&^%$#@ computer and still have no
> >> > success, nor can I install a mail client that works such as MS
> >> > WindowsMail.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Can you use a web based e-mail program like G-Mail or Yahoo?
> >>
> >> I never have used OE, Or WM or WLM for e-mail. Just use web based both
> >> Yahoo
> >> and G-Mail.
> >
> >
> > A contrary opinion here: unless you get only a tiny amount of e-mail,
> > web-based e-mail is the slowest, clumsiest, and worst possible way to
> > do it.
> >
> > You generally don't need to use anything like GMail or Yahoo, since
> > web-based mail is available for most e-mail accounts with ISPs. It's
> > nice to have web-based mail available for your account for times when
> > you are traveling and have no e-mail access other than through a
> > public computer, but I strongly recommending avoiding it as the normal
> > way to do e-mail.
>
> I agree. (sorry about the name change. He's working on the PCs here) and I'm
> getting distracted. We take along our laptop on trips and when we hit a
> hotspot, we jump on and get our email.



I do the same. But sometimes I'll use a public computer if I have no
other choice.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:54:49 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
<> wrote:

> "Nil" <> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DF5B0E0BD0E2nilch1@81.169.183.62...
> > On 16 Sep 2010, Tony <> wrote in
> > alt.windows7.general:
> >
> >> Get a pirated version of office 2007. It has outlook express in it
> >> and that should solve your problem.
> >
> > I don't know where you got that idea from, but it is 100% wrong.
>
> I think Office comes with Outlook and no NGs.


*Some* editions of Office come with Outlook, others don't. And you are
correct that Outlook does not have newsreading capability.

But ch mixed up Outlook and Outlook Express--two
very different things.