Windows 7 Questions

I'll say up front that I'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming away
from XT. I do use VISTA and a back-up machine with little problem.

I have *not* used Windows 7.

After reading a few reviews I have to ask:

Why no windows mail?

Why are AERO PEEK and AERO SHAKE a good deal ?

Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be
running Win7?

Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and
sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ?

Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless
confusion to new and less experienced users?

Most reviews appear to be written by people that want to stay friendly with
Microsoft.

The reason that VISTA up-dates so well is because Win7 is VISTA with some
changes and a bunch of marginally use full trinkets.

Mark me skeptical

Henny

Hi, Henny.

Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions.

> Why no windows mail?

Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By
removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS
made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints
from vendors of competing products.

But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all
the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live
Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others.

It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars because of
complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford dealer could tell his
customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or Wal*Mart or wherever you like
and buy the radio of your choice. Or, you can drive around to our service
department and we'll install our radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to
me, but it should quiet some of the complaints.

> Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless
> confusion to new and less experienced users?

Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users" will not
have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many experienced users.
They will arrive at Win7 without all that old baggage.

But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly resisted
learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to use Win7 - or any
other new system.

But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be enjoying
Win7 in just a few days. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"henny" <> wrote in message
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> I'll say up front that I'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming away
> from XT. I do use VISTA and a back-up machine with little problem.
>
> I have *not* used Windows 7.
>
> After reading a few reviews I have to ask:
>
> Why no windows mail?
>
> Why are AERO PEEK and AERO SHAKE a good deal ?
>
> Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be
> running Win7?
>
> Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and
> sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ?
>
> Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless
> confusion to new and less experienced users?
>
> Most reviews appear to be written by people that want to stay friendly
> with Microsoft.
>
> The reason that VISTA up-dates so well is because Win7 is VISTA with some
> changes and a bunch of marginally use full trinkets.
>
> Mark me skeptical
>
> Henny

"R. C. White" <> wrote in message
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> Hi, Henny.
>
> Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions.
>
>> Why no windows mail?
>
> Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By
> removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system,
> MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the
> complaints from vendors of competing products.
>
> But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all
> the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows
> Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others.
>

>

Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that they
are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to
read Usenet with out having to use a different reader?

"Alex Clayton" <> escribió
>
> Does this mean there is no news reader built in?

Exactly.

> I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load
> Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a
> different reader?

No, but you can always use Google groups :-(

Speaking in silver wrote:
> "Alex Clayton" <> escribió
>>
>> Does this mean there is no news reader built in?
>
> Exactly.
>
>> I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't
>> load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use
>> a different reader?
>
> No, but you can always use Google groups :-(

Ughhh!!

I use Thunderbird for both my email and usenet access. Works well, and
is free.

Hi, Alex.

> Does this mean there is no news reader built in?

Right. For the first time since Win95 included Outlook Express, Windows
does not include either an email program or a newsreader. It does include
Internet Explorer 8, though.

> If you don't load Windows mail

NOT Windows Mail! Windows LIVE Mail. The names are nearly identical and
the programs are similar, and both remind users of the familiar OE, but
there are some distinct differences.

OE will not run on Vista or Win7. WM will not run on WinXP or Win7
(although a few intrepid hackers say they've made it work). WLM runs on
WinXP, Vista and Win7.

Microsoft announced in 2006 that development on both OE and WM (before it
had even been released as a part of Vista!) had been halted and there will
be no more updates, except for security fixes, if necessary.

> is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader?

There have always been other newsreaders, and they are still out there.
Thunderbird and Forte Agent are a couple that are well known. Just ask Bing
or Google for "newsreaders" and you'll soon find a list of dozens, both free
and paid.

Mail programs also are abundant. Microsoft's Outlook is probably the
best-known, but it doesn't do newsgroups.

Personally, I've been using WLM for over two years now. While it has its
share of bugs and irritating design choices, it works about as well as OE
did for me.

As for Usenet, Microsoft is trying hard to push us all to web-based
"forums". They have not yet added any Win7 newsgroups to their public news
server (news://msnews.microsoft.com) - and there is speculation that maybe
they will not. That's why I am happy to see THIS Win7 newsgroup on
non-Microsoft Usenet.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
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> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
> news:z7idnRR9S-...
>> Hi, Henny.
>>
>> Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions.
>>
>>> Why no windows mail?
>>
>> Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows.
>> By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating
>> system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces
>> the complaints from vendors of competing products.
>>
>> But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all
>> the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows
>> Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others.
>>
>
>>
>
> Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that
> they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a
> way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader?

"Speaking in silver" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "Alex Clayton" <> escribió
>>
>> Does this mean there is no news reader built in?
>
> Exactly.
>
>> I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load
>> Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a
>> different reader?
>
> No, but you can always use Google groups :-(
>

I have used it when there was no other choice, but only then. If I can load
WM I will just do that. I don't use it for E-Mail, but it works fine as a
news reader. As long as I can just get in from MS that's fine with me.
--
Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!!

Firstly, I'm not a tech type so I can't answer any technical questions, but
I have been using W7 since beta, and have had the final release for about a
month ( my hubs gets partner release things) and I have been using WLM since
then. I use it for my newsgroups, as well as mail and am very happy with
it. I am frustrated with missing functions, ie: the ability to edit a
received email is gone, and I would like different filtering options in
newsgroups, but it works fine for 99% of my needs. Even the learning curve
is pretty small. All in all, this has been an easy transition, newbies
should have few problems, and oldtimers with a tiny bit of a sense of
adventure should be able to change over without too much tribulation.

This has been a very easy transition for me, other than the first days of
expecting my hubs to have all the answers to all my dumb questions!

"R. C. White" <> wrote in message
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> Hi, Alex.
>
>> Does this mean there is no news reader built in?
>
> Right. For the first time since Win95 included Outlook Express, Windows
> does not include either an email program or a newsreader. It does include
> Internet Explorer 8, though.
>
>> If you don't load Windows mail
>
> NOT Windows Mail! Windows LIVE Mail. The names are nearly identical and
> the programs are similar, and both remind users of the familiar OE, but
> there are some distinct differences.
>
> OE will not run on Vista or Win7. WM will not run on WinXP or Win7
> (although a few intrepid hackers say they've made it work). WLM runs on
> WinXP, Vista and Win7.
>
> Microsoft announced in 2006 that development on both OE and WM (before it
> had even been released as a part of Vista!) had been halted and there will
> be no more updates, except for security fixes, if necessary.
>
>> is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader?
>
> There have always been other newsreaders, and they are still out there.
> Thunderbird and Forte Agent are a couple that are well known. Just ask
> Bing or Google for "newsreaders" and you'll soon find a list of dozens,
> both free and paid.
>
> Mail programs also are abundant. Microsoft's Outlook is probably the
> best-known, but it doesn't do newsgroups.
>
> Personally, I've been using WLM for over two years now. While it has its
> share of bugs and irritating design choices, it works about as well as OE
> did for me.
>
> As for Usenet, Microsoft is trying hard to push us all to web-based
> "forums". They have not yet added any Win7 newsgroups to their public
> news server (news://msnews.microsoft.com) - and there is speculation that
> maybe they will not. That's why I am happy to see THIS Win7 newsgroup on
> non-Microsoft Usenet.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>
> "Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>> news:z7idnRR9S-...
>>> Hi, Henny.
>>>
>>> Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions.
>>>
>>>> Why no windows mail?
>>>
>>> Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows.
>>> By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating
>>> system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces
>>> the complaints from vendors of competing products.
>>>
>>> But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free -
>>> all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail,
>>> Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of
>>> others.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that
>> they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there
>> a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader?
>

"nan2u" <> wrote in message
news:005d8877$0$23355$...
> Firstly, I'm not a tech type so I can't answer any technical questions,
> but I have been using W7 since beta, and have had the final release for
> about a month ( my hubs gets partner release things) and I have been using
> WLM since then. I use it for my newsgroups, as well as mail and am very
> happy with it. I am frustrated with missing functions, ie: the ability
> to edit a received email is gone, and I would like different filtering
> options in newsgroups, but it works fine for 99% of my needs. Even the
> learning curve is pretty small. All in all, this has been an easy
> transition, newbies should have few problems, and oldtimers with a tiny
> bit of a sense of adventure should be able to change over without too much
> tribulation.
>

Sounds fine to me then. When I bought this Vista Machine I did have a little
trouble with the WLM for Usenet. Setting up the account was fine, but it
would not work. Then I found many were having the same problem. I used a
feed from Mozzarella (I think they called it) for a while with it, and it
was fine. Slight delay in sending but it worked fine till MS figured out
what was wrong. It has worked fine since, and I do not sue it for E-mail, so
I will just add it to the one laptop after the W-7 disc gets here.

--
Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!!

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> Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be
> running Win7?
>
> Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and
> sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ?

Read a PC magazine review that said Homegroup network setup required all the
computers to be Windows 7. Surely that means you can only do it the easy way
if all the PC are running Windows 7 and you can still set up a network with
non Windows 7 machines the old fashioned way.