Windows 7 OEM installation on another computer

John Ferrell wrote:
> FWIW, The new Motherboards I have looked at lately seem to all have a
> disclaimer that they will not run XP.
>
> May be that I misunderstand?
>

This is a statement about the easy availability of drivers for
the hardware on the motherboard.

It's a warning, to do your research *before* purchasing it.

Paul

My main reason for starting this thread was that we are using 2 dos
based programs in
my practise.

I plan to retire in 6 years and we want to continue using these programs.

I was wondering what would happen when support for win xp ends.

We need full screen for dos programs.

Googling around I read that DOS support will be built into windows 8 so
I should stop
worrying

FD

On 05 Dec 2011, FD <> wrote in alt.windows7.general:

> Googling around I read that DOS support will be built into windows
> 8 so I should stop worrying

But does it specifically mention *full screen* DOS support? I would
doubt it, since neither Vista nor Windows 7 have it. If that's a
requirement for you, you may still have an issue about Windows 8.

On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:58:45 -0600, Char Jackson <>
wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:41:49 -0500, John Ferrell
><> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, The new Motherboards I have looked at lately seem to all have a
>>disclaimer that they will not run XP.
>>
>>May be that I misunderstand?
>
>Can you provide an example?
Sorry, I don't have time at the moment. The warning is always buried
in the fine print.

The hardware folks don't tell us enough to be self sufficient and
write our own drivers. I don't know how the Linux community deals with
the problem.

It may work well enough to satisfy your needs. I have two ASUS A7N8X
MB's with Expensive AGP 8 video cards that I am not ready to part
with. As far as I can tell that means I stick with XPPRO indefinately.
I was pleased to see that my DM44 Audio card had a driver when I
installed it in a Win 7 machine. Don't count on XP drivers working for
you on Win 7 machines and don't expect Win 7 to handle devices that
were intended for XP.

BTW, IDE hard drives are getting expensive & hard to find. If your XP
machine won't boot and ATA HDD now is the time to decide what you are
going to do when the IDE HDD dies. I seem to be dealing with local IDE
epidemic the past couple of weeks.

I had a network adapter die in an XP machine last week. I picked an
old DLINK USB WIRELESS out of my stock to get it operational. It only
has XP driver available. I might as well just leave it there
permanently and see if I can find a cheap one that has more drivers
for service work.


BTW, I don't do this service work for a living. When you retire you
become the local IT guy to Family & Friends!
John Ferrell W8CCW

John Ferrell wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:58:45 -0600, Char Jackson <>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:41:49 -0500, John Ferrell
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, The new Motherboards I have looked at lately seem to all have a
>>> disclaimer that they will not run XP.
>>>
>>> May be that I misunderstand?
>> Can you provide an example?
> Sorry, I don't have time at the moment. The warning is always buried
> in the fine print.
>
> The hardware folks don't tell us enough to be self sufficient and
> write our own drivers. I don't know how the Linux community deals with
> the problem.
>
> It may work well enough to satisfy your needs. I have two ASUS A7N8X
> MB's with Expensive AGP 8 video cards that I am not ready to part
> with. As far as I can tell that means I stick with XPPRO indefinately.
> I was pleased to see that my DM44 Audio card had a driver when I
> installed it in a Win 7 machine. Don't count on XP drivers working for
> you on Win 7 machines and don't expect Win 7 to handle devices that
> were intended for XP.
>
> BTW, IDE hard drives are getting expensive & hard to find. If your XP
> machine won't boot and ATA HDD now is the time to decide what you are
> going to do when the IDE HDD dies. I seem to be dealing with local IDE
> epidemic the past couple of weeks.
>
> I had a network adapter die in an XP machine last week. I picked an
> old DLINK USB WIRELESS out of my stock to get it operational. It only
> has XP driver available. I might as well just leave it there
> permanently and see if I can find a cheap one that has more drivers
> for service work.
>
>
> BTW, I don't do this service work for a living. When you retire you
> become the local IT guy to Family & Friends!
> John Ferrell W8CCW

Generally, NDIS support on NIC components, is pretty good. It usually
spans a wider range of OSes, than motherboard chipset support does. It could
be, that your DLINK is old enough, that they wouldn't be writing new drivers
for it forever (if launched in WinXP era, it might not have Vista or Win7
drivers). But if you were to buy a NIC component today, there could well
be support for a number of OSes.

As for the chipsets, when you have a serious need, and a candidate
motherboard, post back, and maybe we can find drivers for it. To
stay on topic, if it's WinXP drivers, you can ask in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general or microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
or the like.

Even if a motherboard BIOS was "forced" into AHCI mode, the motherboard
had no floppy, you could still slipstream AHCI drivers into a new WinXP
installer CD, and install that way. While there could be roadblocks to
success, there are also ways to get there.

Paul

Nil wrote:
> On 05 Dec 2011, FD<> wrote in alt.windows7.general:
>
>> Googling around I read that DOS support will be built into windows
>> 8 so I should stop worrying
>
> But does it specifically mention *full screen* DOS support? I would
> doubt it, since neither Vista nor Windows 7 have it. If that's a
> requirement for you, you may still have an issue about Windows 8.

I hope it is full screen

http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-comes...ation-support/


FD

Use DOSbox no matter what: http://www.dosbox.com/ ...


On 12/5/2011 4:00 AM PT, FD typed:

> My main reason for starting this thread was that we are using 2 dos
> based programs in
> my practise.
>
> I plan to retire in 6 years and we want to continue using these programs.
>
> I was wondering what would happen when support for win xp ends.
>
> We need full screen for dos programs.
>
> Googling around I read that DOS support will be built into windows 8 so
> I should stop
> worrying
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> Nil wrote:
>> On 05 Dec 2011, FD<> wrote in alt.windows7.general:
>>
>>> Googling around I read that DOS support will be built into windows
>>> 8 so I should stop worrying
>>
>> But does it specifically mention *full screen* DOS support? I would
>> doubt it, since neither Vista nor Windows 7 have it. If that's a
>> requirement for you, you may still have an issue about Windows 8.
>
> I hope it is full screen
>
> http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-comes...ation-support/
>
>
Seems unlikely since we haven't had that ability since Vista. Also
note that it will only be available in the 32-bit versions of Windows.
You will probably have better luck with a virtual machine.

--
Zaphod

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt

>>>
>>> But does it specifically mention *full screen* DOS support? I would
>>> doubt it, since neither Vista nor Windows 7 have it. If that's a
>>> requirement for you, you may still have an issue about Windows 8.
>>
>> I hope it is full screen
>>
>> http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-comes...ation-support/
>>
>>
> Seems unlikely since we haven't had that ability since Vista. Also
> note that it will only be available in the 32-bit versions of Windows.
> You will probably have better luck with a virtual machine.
>

I installed Windows 8 32 bit Developer edition an hour ago and ran a dos
program.

It ran only in a window!

I am beginning to believe that Dosbox will be worth exploring.

Using windows professional with xp mode will expose my system to viruses
and other
threats. I may even consider Mint with Wine for this one computer that
I need
dos badly.. I have 2 1/2 years to figure out what I will do!

FD


FD