Windows 7 email client

Mortimer wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote:
>
>> 1. Outlook Express does newsgroups. Outlook does not.
>
> I've never managed to work out why the developers chose to leave
> newsgroup capability out of Outlook.

Perhaps because they expect Outlook users to use it with an Exchange
server, and Exchange itself can provide Usenet access within Public Folders?

Ken Blake wrote:

> 1. Outlook Express does newsgroups. Outlook does not.

Thanks for that. It does make Outlook much less interesting for me.

Bert

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:25:19 -0000, "Mortimer" <> wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:42:28 -0000, "Bert Coules"
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >> Mortimer,
> >>
> >> > If I'd known I was going to have this problem, I'd have bought a
> >> > version
> >> > of Office that included Outlook...
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with Outlook but is it a sort of souped-up version of
> >> Outlook Express?
> >
> >
> > You might say that about Outlook's e-mail capabilities. But there are
> > two very large differences between the two:
> >
> > 1. Outlook Express does newsgroups. Outlook does not.
> >
> > 2. Besides newsgroups, Outlook Express does only e-mail. Besides
> > e-mail, Outlook does much more. It's a personal information manager,
> > not just an e-mail client.
>
> I've never managed to work out why the developers chose to leave newsgroup
> capability out of Outlook. I wonder how easy it would have been to modify
> the Outlook Express / Windows Mail code for this to be used with Outlook.




Many people feel that Outlook should have a built-in newsreader, as
you do. Personally, I've never felt that way. They are two different
functions, and I see no reason why one program should do two things.
In fact, I prefer it if a program does fewer things, since it lets me
make my own choice of each function. For example, I prefer Forte Agent
to outlook express for a newsreader, but Outlook to outlook express or
Forte Agent for e-mail.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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You can make Win Mail your default mail and N/G mail client in Win7.

after Windows Mail is installed on Windows 7, apply the two
registry fixes mentioned here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/...default-5.html

You will need both files see *xsmile #43* and *xsmile32* on the previous
page..


You can rename your NWS files To EML so they open in WinMail
Or you can drag your NWS files into a folder in Winmail and they will open
from there.
Otherwise you can open them in Windows Live Mail if you have that
installed;..

ozzie




"Bruce Hagen" <> wrote in message
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I have WinMail on my Win7 but use it for news only. It works fine except
the few caveats below. Someone here said they could open eml & nws files,
but never said how they did it.

First, you need access to a Vista machine.

On the W7 machine, find the "Windows Mail" folder in Program Files. Rename
it to "OldWindows Mail" as a precaution.

Using a Flash or CD, copy the "Windows Mail" folder in its entirety from
the Vista machine.

Go back to the Win7 machine and copy the "Windows Mail" from the Flash or
CD to a location in Program Files.

Open it and right click on the WinMail.exe file and send a shortcut to the
Desktop. Done.

A few caveats: EML and NWS files will not open in WinMail, but rather
another e-mail client that you will need to have. WinMail also cannot be
made the default mail or news client.

See this as well:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:42:28 -0000, "Bert Coules"
<> wrote:

>I'm not familiar with Outlook but is it a sort of souped-up version of
>Outlook Express?
>
>If so, and if it runs on Windows 7 (64-bit) perhaps I should investigate it.

Outlook and Outlook Express share a name and both are MS email
clients, but that's about where the similarity ends.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:36:16 -0000, "Mortimer" <> wrote:

>If I'd known I was going to have this problem, I'd have bought a version of
>Office that included Outlook, rather than going for the Home and Student
>edition which doesn't. Mind you, I wonder if *that* supports drag/drop of
>.eml files...

I just poked around in Outlook 2007 and didn't see any obvious support
for saving emails as .eml files. Outlook wants to save them as .msg
files. Also, on the Import/Export dialog I saw nothing relating to
..eml there either.

Win 7 64 bit

I use Eudora 7.1.0.9 (the last "real" one) for email and Thunderbird for
reading news.

Both work as designed.

Eric

"Bert Coules" <> wrote in message
news:xq-...
> "Mortimer" wrote:
>
>> When I ran WinMail.exe after copying the folder from a Vista Home Premium
>> 32-bit PC, performance decreased rapidly. There was a horrendous memory
>> leak
>> (Task Manager showed Physical Memory Usage increasing over the space of a
>> minute or so until it was at 100% on the graph). In the list of processes
>> there was an ever-increasing number of WinMail.exe *32 processes. As fast
>> as
>> I killed them, new instances were spawned.
>
> I'm probably talking through my hat here, but could this possibly be a
> consequence of putting a 32-bit version of WinMail into a 64-bit version
> of Win7? Or is that combination usually quite stable?
>
> Bert

"Bert Coules" <> wrote:

> Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> 1. Outlook Express does newsgroups. Outlook does not.
>
> Thanks for that. It does make Outlook much less interesting for me.
>
If your life requires you to connect to Microsoft Exchange, Outlook really
comes into its own. It is the killer app of its class. I don't need it on
this machine for exchange but I keep a copy for the calendar/contact
functions.

For email I use Eudra 7. I'm exploring Eudora 8, the Thunderbird/Penelope
experiment because I can tweak the code. It's not production ready for my
needs but Eudora 7 is a rock and very fast.

Good luck,
Jake

Jake,

> If your life requires you to connect to Microsoft Exchange, Outlook really
> comes into its own. It is the killer app of its class.

Thanks for that. It does sound as though Outlook isn't what I'm after.

Bert

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:28:28 -0000, "Bert Coules"
<> wrote:

> Jake,
>
> > If your life requires you to connect to Microsoft Exchange, Outlook really
> > comes into its own. It is the killer app of its class.
>
> Thanks for that. It does sound as though Outlook isn't what I'm after.


I personally like Outlook a lot (and I don't use Exchange). But my
views, or anyone else's, are not what you should model your views on.
I recommend that you try a bunch of such programs (there are free
trial versions of Office/Outlook available) and make your own decision
about what you prefer. Avoid making decisions based on what it "sounds
like."

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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