Win 7 Explorer fills the screen when saving a file. WHY???

On 1/18/2012, Nil posted:
> On 18 Jan 2012, Gene E. Bloch <> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:

>> Why can't you guys understand that, as he said, Loony wants to
>> *castrate* Windows Eplorer?

> OOOOooooo... NOW I get it.

> Here's the correct answer:

> http://medical-tools.com/veterinary/...nstruments.php

Geez - I started laughing just from reading the link!

Looking at the site, I have to say that this stuff should be kept
hidden from my mohel. We need a serious disarmament treaty in this area
right *now*.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 18 Jan 2012, Gene E. Bloch <> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> On 1/18/2012, Nil posted:
>> OOOOooooo... NOW I get it.
>
>> Here's the correct answer:
>
>> http://medical-tools.com/veterinary/...nstruments.php
>
> Geez - I started laughing just from reading the link!
>
> Looking at the site, I have to say that this stuff should be kept
> hidden from my mohel. We need a serious disarmament treaty in this
> area right *now*.

I'm particularly impressed by this one, and it's even on sale right
now! They make great graduation gifts, so plan ahead!:

=====

- Reimers Emasculator, with cutting portion

A very popular emasculator has a double crushing part. The cutting
lever is worked separately. This allows extra time for crushing action
and diminishes after bleeding. Back lock keep on crushing without hand
power unless unlocked while cutting can be done with a separate part
attached to it.

This tool has three actions: clamping, crushing and cutting. As the
jaws are closed on the spermatic cord it is gripped by the clamping
part. Back-lock retain the clamping part closed unless unlocked.

Medical Tools stainless steel castration tool is designed for
castration minimal blood loss as blood vessels are crushed immediately
after they are being cut.

Loony wrote:
> On 18/01/2012 16:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Loony wrote:
>>> Hlo :-)
>>>
>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>
>>> THX.
>>
>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>
>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>
>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Thanks all for your efforts.
>
> I reduced my DPI from 1280x1040 to 1280x960. That blurred my screen and
> I did not succeed in reducing the Win Explorer. The middle button
> someone mentioned - I have a Logitech Laser and there is a little silver
> button in the middle with what looks like a tennis racquet. It didn't
> help though. I think I'll have to start again back in kindergarten.
>
> Where is the click supposed to be made?
>
> Has anyone succeeded in achieving this Win Explorer reduction? How many?
>

I'm a bit confused myself here; screen resolution, DPI, pixels, I
thought I understood them - but no.

Anyway, here's my specific problem.
1. I use a TV as monitor, set to native screen resolution of 1360 x 768.
2. I increase the size of everything by Personalize, Display, Medium (125%).
3. If I up it to Larger (150%), then many boxes get kind of "castrated"
(I think I'd prefer "lower half missing").

This truncating never happens with a change to Screen Resolution, only
with a change to DPI.

Can anyone explain this phenomenon in good, educated English (the kind
of clear expression that we've all been clamouring for in this thread)?

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:
> Loony wrote:
>> On 18/01/2012 16:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Loony wrote:
>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>
>>>> THX.
>>>
>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>
>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>
>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Thanks all for your efforts.
>>
>> I reduced my DPI from 1280x1040 to 1280x960. That blurred my screen and
>> I did not succeed in reducing the Win Explorer. The middle button
>> someone mentioned - I have a Logitech Laser and there is a little silver
>> button in the middle with what looks like a tennis racquet. It didn't
>> help though. I think I'll have to start again back in kindergarten.
>>
>> Where is the click supposed to be made?
>>
>> Has anyone succeeded in achieving this Win Explorer reduction? How many?
>>
>
> I'm a bit confused myself here; screen resolution, DPI, pixels, I
> thought I understood them - but no.
>
> Anyway, here's my specific problem.
> 1. I use a TV as monitor, set to native screen resolution of 1360 x 768.
> 2. I increase the size of everything by Personalize, Display, Medium
> (125%).
> 3. If I up it to Larger (150%), then many boxes get kind of "castrated"
> (I think I'd prefer "lower half missing").
>
> This truncating never happens with a change to Screen Resolution, only
> with a change to DPI.
>
> Can anyone explain this phenomenon in good, educated English (the kind
> of clear expression that we've all been clamouring for in this thread)?
>
> Ed
>

Ah, I think I've got it.
It's described as "set custom text size (DPI)", so then, what it does is
use a larger setting just for the text; and that's why it ends up as too
big for the boxes.

Ed

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On 1/18/2012, Ed Cryer posted:
>> Wolf K wrote:
>>> On 18/01/2012 11:28 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Loony wrote:
>>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>>
>>>>> THX.
>>>>
>>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>>
>>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>>
>>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If this is the problem, I think you have it backwards.
>>>
>>> Wolf K.
>
>> This a superb conversation. It makes me proud to be a linguist.
>> If science has an objective language that can be shared throughout the
>> scientific community, by which observations can be recorded and
>> shared, and by which truth can gradually be narrowed as theory
>> replaces theory, well, I have yet to discover it.
>
>> In a world where we can't even prove that reality exists beyond mental
>> awareness; wherein a Higgs boson is necessary for the Standard Model
>> of particle physics and yet, if isolated and found, will simply
>> corroborate the theory rather than set it as true; wherein quantum
>> theory has never been falsified through millions of tests and yet
>> involves the Uncertainty Principle that confounds human reason; well,
>> if even users of the same language can't make head or tail of each
>> other's statements, then that would seem rather appropriate to the
>> known status quo.
>
>> Ed
>
> I can't hardly fail to avoid disagreeing with what you couldn't hardly
> have avoided having written.
>
> Or do I mean something else? :-)
>
> Actually, I find your little essay on semiotics to be very cogent...
>

Let's add some things more in the human realm.

A world in which captains of ships fall into lifeboats; newspapers hack
phones creating havoc in the lives of those hacked; bankers continue to
receive vast bonuses after having been bailed out a few years back; MPs
cheat on expenses just as benefit-receivers do on their benefits;
looters come out in large numbers to make capital out of a perceived
breakdown in law-enforcement; and, last but not least, my window-cleaner
damages my property and refuses to apologise.

Ed

On 19/01/2012 6:16 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Loony wrote:
>> On 18/01/2012 16:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Loony wrote:
>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>
>>>> THX.
>>>
>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>
>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>
>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Thanks all for your efforts.
>>
>> I reduced my DPI from 1280x1040 to 1280x960. That blurred my screen and
>> I did not succeed in reducing the Win Explorer. The middle button
>> someone mentioned - I have a Logitech Laser and there is a little silver
>> button in the middle with what looks like a tennis racquet. It didn't
>> help though. I think I'll have to start again back in kindergarten.
>>
>> Where is the click supposed to be made?
>>
>> Has anyone succeeded in achieving this Win Explorer reduction? How many?
>>
>
> I'm a bit confused myself here; screen resolution, DPI, pixels, I
> thought I understood them - but no.
>
> Anyway, here's my specific problem.
> 1. I use a TV as monitor, set to native screen resolution of 1360 x 768.

"Native resolution" means the actual physical resolution. All flatscreen
TVs I know of are either 1920x1080 or 1280x720.

I'm assuming you are using a laptop with 1360x768 resolution. This will
not fit smoothly into the TV's resolution, so even before resizing the
Display you have problems: the display will not be as clear and sharp as
on the laptop's screen. But at "normal viewing distance" you will not
notice that. Good thing, too. ;-)

OTOH, if the graphics/video system in your laptop can set the screen to
the TV's actual resolution, set it up that way. The laptop's display
will now be a bit off, but on the TV everything will look as good as it can.

> 2. I increase the size of everything by Personalize, Display, Medium
> (125%).
> 3. If I up it to Larger (150%), then many boxes get kind of "castrated"
> (I think I'd prefer "lower half missing").
>
> This truncating never happens with a change to Screen Resolution, only
> with a change to DPI.
>
> Can anyone explain this phenomenon in good, educated English (the kind
> of clear expression that we've all been clamouring for in this thread)?
>
> Ed

OK, now I understand what you mean by changing DPI. DPI is a confusing
concept. "Dots per inch" is not at all the same as pixels. A pixel is
actually 3 dot, cyan, magenta, and yellow, with each dot displayed at a
different intensity for a given colour. The screen has a fixed DPI.
(That's why using a TV as a monitor is not always a good idea.)

AIUI, enlarging the Display actually changes the number of pixels used
to display an object, which in effect changes the DPI of the displayed.
That is, the OS increases the size of the pixel box within which objects
are displayed. Eg, instead of, say 32x24 to display a letter it will be
40x30. The OS will attempt to provide a smooth letter, but will fail, so
while the letters are larger, they will be more or less fuzzy. This
larger-but-fuzzier effect will be objectionable for some objects. (which
is why I don't do what you've done).

This is also why enlarging Display will truncate the windows. Eg, at
125%, the full screen will be displayed as 1700x960, which doesn't fit
into your 1360x768. So parts of the window will be cut off. If the
window is locked into full screen, you will not see the cut off parts.
If it's not in full screen mode, you can move it around and reveal the
hidden parts. You'll find keyboard shortcuts at:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449

Quote:
"ALT+SPACE: Displays the main window's System menu (from the System
menu, you can restore, move, resize, minimize, maximize, or close the
window)"

HTH
Wolf K.

Wolf K wrote:
> On 19/01/2012 6:16 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Loony wrote:
>>> On 18/01/2012 16:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Loony wrote:
>>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>>
>>>>> THX.
>>>>
>>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>>
>>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>>
>>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Thanks all for your efforts.
>>>
>>> I reduced my DPI from 1280x1040 to 1280x960. That blurred my screen and
>>> I did not succeed in reducing the Win Explorer. The middle button
>>> someone mentioned - I have a Logitech Laser and there is a little silver
>>> button in the middle with what looks like a tennis racquet. It didn't
>>> help though. I think I'll have to start again back in kindergarten.
>>>
>>> Where is the click supposed to be made?
>>>
>>> Has anyone succeeded in achieving this Win Explorer reduction? How many?
>>>
>>
>> I'm a bit confused myself here; screen resolution, DPI, pixels, I
>> thought I understood them - but no.
>>
>> Anyway, here's my specific problem.
>> 1. I use a TV as monitor, set to native screen resolution of 1360 x 768.
>
> "Native resolution" means the actual physical resolution. All flatscreen
> TVs I know of are either 1920x1080 or 1280x720.
>
> I'm assuming you are using a laptop with 1360x768 resolution. This will
> not fit smoothly into the TV's resolution, so even before resizing the
> Display you have problems: the display will not be as clear and sharp as
> on the laptop's screen. But at "normal viewing distance" you will not
> notice that. Good thing, too. ;-)
>
> OTOH, if the graphics/video system in your laptop can set the screen to
> the TV's actual resolution, set it up that way. The laptop's display
> will now be a bit off, but on the TV everything will look as good as it
> can.
>
>> 2. I increase the size of everything by Personalize, Display, Medium
>> (125%).
>> 3. If I up it to Larger (150%), then many boxes get kind of "castrated"
>> (I think I'd prefer "lower half missing").
>>
>> This truncating never happens with a change to Screen Resolution, only
>> with a change to DPI.
>>
>> Can anyone explain this phenomenon in good, educated English (the kind
>> of clear expression that we've all been clamouring for in this thread)?
>>
>> Ed
>
> OK, now I understand what you mean by changing DPI. DPI is a confusing
> concept. "Dots per inch" is not at all the same as pixels. A pixel is
> actually 3 dot, cyan, magenta, and yellow, with each dot displayed at a
> different intensity for a given colour. The screen has a fixed DPI.
> (That's why using a TV as a monitor is not always a good idea.)
>
> AIUI, enlarging the Display actually changes the number of pixels used
> to display an object, which in effect changes the DPI of the displayed.
> That is, the OS increases the size of the pixel box within which objects
> are displayed. Eg, instead of, say 32x24 to display a letter it will be
> 40x30. The OS will attempt to provide a smooth letter, but will fail, so
> while the letters are larger, they will be more or less fuzzy. This
> larger-but-fuzzier effect will be objectionable for some objects. (which
> is why I don't do what you've done).
>
> This is also why enlarging Display will truncate the windows. Eg, at
> 125%, the full screen will be displayed as 1700x960, which doesn't fit
> into your 1360x768. So parts of the window will be cut off. If the
> window is locked into full screen, you will not see the cut off parts.
> If it's not in full screen mode, you can move it around and reveal the
> hidden parts. You'll find keyboard shortcuts at:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449
>
> Quote:
> "ALT+SPACE: Displays the main window's System menu (from the System
> menu, you can restore, move, resize, minimize, maximize, or close the
> window)"
>
> HTH
> Wolf K.

Thanks for the explanation.

It's a Samsung 26" TV. I got a new 32" one and decided to give the old
one a try on my Acer desktop. I have two PC monitors; one 22" Viewsonic,
the other 19" HP. It immediately struck me as better, and now I'm
acclimatised to it so much that it'd be hard to go back to the Viewsonic.

I plug it in, fire up, and it self adjusts to 1360x768 (recommended),
which is top of its range with my video card. And when I use the TV
remote, Tools - self adjust on it, it stays there.

It has stereo speakers in it, lots of adjustment over display and audio.
Used in combination with the PC's video and sound system, I get all I
could want from it.
That's how I found that problem with the higher DPI display settings.
But I've even got used to that too, and I can swop to 125% in about 10
seconds when needed.

Ed

On 19/01/2012 15:54, Wolf K wrote:
> On 19/01/2012 6:16 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Loony wrote:
>>> On 18/01/2012 16:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> Loony wrote:
>>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>>
>>>>> THX.
>>>>
>>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>>
>>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>>
>>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Thanks all for your efforts.
>>>
>>> I reduced my DPI from 1280x1040 to 1280x960. That blurred my screen and
>>> I did not succeed in reducing the Win Explorer. The middle button
>>> someone mentioned - I have a Logitech Laser and there is a little silver
>>> button in the middle with what looks like a tennis racquet. It didn't
>>> help though. I think I'll have to start again back in kindergarten.
>>>
>>> Where is the click supposed to be made?
>>>
>>> Has anyone succeeded in achieving this Win Explorer reduction? How many?
>>>
>>
>> I'm a bit confused myself here; screen resolution, DPI, pixels, I
>> thought I understood them - but no.
>>
>> Anyway, here's my specific problem.
>> 1. I use a TV as monitor, set to native screen resolution of 1360 x 768.
>
> "Native resolution" means the actual physical resolution. All flatscreen
> TVs I know of are either 1920x1080 or 1280x720.
>
> I'm assuming you are using a laptop with 1360x768 resolution. This will
> not fit smoothly into the TV's resolution, so even before resizing the
> Display you have problems: the display will not be as clear and sharp as
> on the laptop's screen. But at "normal viewing distance" you will not
> notice that. Good thing, too. ;-)
>
> OTOH, if the graphics/video system in your laptop can set the screen to
> the TV's actual resolution, set it up that way. The laptop's display
> will now be a bit off, but on the TV everything will look as good as it
> can.
>
>> 2. I increase the size of everything by Personalize, Display, Medium
>> (125%).
>> 3. If I up it to Larger (150%), then many boxes get kind of "castrated"
>> (I think I'd prefer "lower half missing").
>>
>> This truncating never happens with a change to Screen Resolution, only
>> with a change to DPI.
>>
>> Can anyone explain this phenomenon in good, educated English (the kind
>> of clear expression that we've all been clamouring for in this thread)?
>>
>> Ed
>
> OK, now I understand what you mean by changing DPI. DPI is a confusing
> concept. "Dots per inch" is not at all the same as pixels. A pixel is
> actually 3 dot, cyan, magenta, and yellow, with each dot displayed at a
> different intensity for a given colour. The screen has a fixed DPI.
> (That's why using a TV as a monitor is not always a good idea.)
>
> AIUI, enlarging the Display actually changes the number of pixels used
> to display an object, which in effect changes the DPI of the displayed.
> That is, the OS increases the size of the pixel box within which objects
> are displayed. Eg, instead of, say 32x24 to display a letter it will be
> 40x30. The OS will attempt to provide a smooth letter, but will fail, so
> while the letters are larger, they will be more or less fuzzy. This
> larger-but-fuzzier effect will be objectionable for some objects. (which
> is why I don't do what you've done).
>
> This is also why enlarging Display will truncate the windows. Eg, at
> 125%, the full screen will be displayed as 1700x960, which doesn't fit
> into your 1360x768. So parts of the window will be cut off. If the
> window is locked into full screen, you will not see the cut off parts.
> If it's not in full screen mode, you can move it around and reveal the
> hidden parts. You'll find keyboard shortcuts at:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449

Hello again Wolf.
My Sony screen has a max of 1280x1024.
Until this discussion "Re: Win 7 Explorer....." started, Win Explorer
ALWAYS locked to the screen size for me. This was a nuisance because I
sometimes wanted to put a few files into one folder and I could never
remember all the names, so I had to start all over for each one. Now I
can see all the files I want to place and their names. This is very
convenient.

> Quote:
> "ALT+SPACE: Displays the main window's System menu (from the System
> menu, you can restore, move, resize, minimize, maximize, or close the
> window)"

Interesting information. Thanks :-)

> HTH
> Wolf K.

On 1/19/2012, Ed Cryer posted:
> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On 1/18/2012, Ed Cryer posted:
>>> Wolf K wrote:
>>>> On 18/01/2012 11:28 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> Loony wrote:
>>>>>> Hlo :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know how to castrate Win Explorer to a much smaller size (FAR
>>>>>> FROM A FULL SCREEN) when saving a file?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THX.
>>>>>
>>>>> By process of elimination, I think I've hit upon the problem you have.
>>>>> Elementary, my dear Loony, for the world's greatest detective.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've got a DPI setting so high that the "save as" screen cuts off the
>>>>> bottom three option boxes; encoding, save, cancel.
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer is to reduce the DPI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If this is the problem, I think you have it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Wolf K.
>>
>>> This a superb conversation. It makes me proud to be a linguist.
>>> If science has an objective language that can be shared throughout the
>>> scientific community, by which observations can be recorded and
>>> shared, and by which truth can gradually be narrowed as theory
>>> replaces theory, well, I have yet to discover it.
>>
>>> In a world where we can't even prove that reality exists beyond mental
>>> awareness; wherein a Higgs boson is necessary for the Standard Model
>>> of particle physics and yet, if isolated and found, will simply
>>> corroborate the theory rather than set it as true; wherein quantum
>>> theory has never been falsified through millions of tests and yet
>>> involves the Uncertainty Principle that confounds human reason; well,
>>> if even users of the same language can't make head or tail of each
>>> other's statements, then that would seem rather appropriate to the
>>> known status quo.
>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> I can't hardly fail to avoid disagreeing with what you couldn't hardly
>> have avoided having written.
>>
>> Or do I mean something else? :-)
>>
>> Actually, I find your little essay on semiotics to be very cogent...
>>

> Let's add some things more in the human realm.

> A world in which captains of ships fall into lifeboats; newspapers hack
> phones creating havoc in the lives of those hacked; bankers continue to
> receive vast bonuses after having been bailed out a few years back; MPs cheat
> on expenses just as benefit-receivers do on their benefits; looters come out
> in large numbers to make capital out of a perceived breakdown in
> law-enforcement; and, last but not least, my window-cleaner damages my
> property and refuses to apologise.

> Ed

Well, once the Higgs boson is verified, your problems with the window
cleaner will be over.

Don't look for real meaning, I just wanted to:

1. Be surreal

2. By referring to a window cleaner, assure that my reply is on topic

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)