[RHytonen]

I just allowed Win7 update to install ie9 and REALLY wish I hadn't.

Immediately terminal issues:

1. No full time display of "Protected mode" status - DANGEROUS!
I use Eudora - and as delightful as it is (even essential) in features like truly UNLIMITED archiving without extension devices (lke PST's or folders,) and much better security even in its dotage, compared with Outlook or any Microshaft product; it has one issue: It has begun running any ie spawned through an email link with "Protected mode: OFF."
So it's obviously UNACCEPTABLE for ie not to display protected mode status AT ALL TIMES.

2. I use Favorites AND History extensively.
Not to have them available, easily, with one click, at the upper left of the screen; is also UNACCEPTABLE.

3. I also use "Page: Save (as)" extensively. Ie9 makes this excruciating with FAR too many menu levels needed.

Conclusion: ie 9 has minimalized the functions I use most often, and buried them in unacceptably deep menu levels. It is also UNSAFE with the Protected mode display issue.

And don't even bring up other browsers.
Last week I FINALLY decided to try Chrome and installed it from a 'safe' (Google) source.

TWO WEEKS of S.M,A.R.T Rootkit/Trojan infections ensued,
on EVERY COMPUTER IN THE HOUSE ! (Obviously the router's IP was targeted.) Never again.

[yodap]

I don't use IE as I prefer Firefox. Many on this forum like IE. Your issues sound self inflicted to me. I have several computers running DC tasks 24/7 for years and have yet to be infected with anything. Check your family's computing habits.

And feel free to start any thread you want to.

[RHytonen]

Originally Posted by yodap

I don't use IE as I prefer Firefox. Many on this forum like IE. Your issues sound self inflicted to me. I have several computers running DC tasks 24/7 for years and have yet to be infected with anything. Check your family's computing habits.

And feel free to start any thread you want to.

("DC tasks"?)

My experience: Retired IT BSEE chief and design systems engineer, with cabinet level (WDC) fed. gov't Administration (HQNASA) and Agency (HQ Dept of Ed.) HQ experience including user support virus removal. (Or else every computer in the house would be trash by now thanks to the S.M.A.R.T./Rootkit debacle.) more gov't IT experience, but "I'd have to kill you."

"Family" of one, beside myself. Well aware of her habits. Nothing different was being done when problems began. The ONLY difference was Google Chrome, and the change was immediate and spectacular.

I just found two MORE terminal issues with ie9.
We do LOTS of sweepstakes. It's over half our computer use, being retired.

When repeatedly returning to the Favorites display,
The (former ie8) persistence of highlighting the previously addressed (or "current") Favorite, stored in a Favorites subfolder, in the Favorites display, is essential for placekeeping. One returns to "Favorites" after each website (of literally hundreds,) relying on that placekeeping of the previously visited website.

Having to mouseover-select the favorites subfolder each time, and get the splashout, then scroll in it, trying to remember the previously used individual favorite; is again, not only unwieldy (and on a small screen easily unintentionally cancelled by mouseover,) but unacceptably lacking the absolutely essential function of remembering the previous ("current") favorite used.

This general loss of "persistence" gets worse with every version of Windows and ie. Ie7 formerly had "persistence" ("currency") of the favorites subfolder when saving a new favorite. That was gone with e8.
Apparently windows and ie have done nothing buut get worse and more bloated with unwanted "features" since XP. That's why HQNASA stayed wth XP for 2 or 3 versions before finally having to change, due to (Believe It Or Not) relatively computer illiterate low (tech) level (but high bureaucratic level, i.e. Military) users. And of course that was when their internet security problems began - all due to changing to Microsoft servers and email (Exchange.)

Yet another ie9 issue,
noticed when using eBay for the first time (approx. the other half of MY computer usage) but also noticed on almost all other websites:
The left third of the screen, of trivial importance on eBay and most others, has grown disproportionately in size, to the right hand 2/3rds of the screen! (an html compatibility issue)

That's it.
I will now be researching how to get ie8 back.

Is there ANYONE at Microsoft doing compatibility or usability?
Have they ever (btw) accepted the existence of the popular "Netbooks?" and their inability to tolerate programming BLOAT?

Your attitude and tone confuse me.
Is this a help forum?
Do you personally "represent" (ie are you paid by) Microsoft?

[TrainableMan]

Supposedly you can uninstall IE9. Microsoft link.
Control Panel > Programs and Features ... Installed Updates
In Windows Section, Right-click on IE9 & uninstall


BTW: I also use Firefox but even they change things with every new version; that's the nature of Browsers I'm afraid.

[clifford_cooley]

Originally Posted by RHytonen

Your attitude and tone confuse me.

Your attitude confuses me too, which is why I'm staying out of this thread. You seem like a smart man and can handle your own problems. It certainly doesn't look like you came here for help. From what I have read, it is a thread all about you wanting to rant. You have made statements about what was missing but never once asking how to change them. Why would anyone respond to a thread that never ask for assistance? But yet you accuse us of not being a help forum.

Ohh, and "NO, WE ARE NOT BEING PAID BY MICROSOFT!". We are all volunteers sitting behind a monitor just as you are. We are here to help where we can. We all hope you find a solution to your problems whether it be here or else where. But please don't turn your rant toward us, we did nothing to deserve it.

End of my rant and hopefully yours as well.

[TrainableMan]

Have you tried uninstalling IE9 as in my previous post? Hopefully that will restore peace between you and the Mrs's.

Once IE9 shows back up in your updates, you can then manually go to windows updates, right-click on the IE9 update and set it to Hidden. (Eventually you will likely get another and have to repeat the procedure because Microsoft likes to push things like IE9 and Silverlight)

[TrainableMan]

Something else came to mind. W7 is designed so you and the Mrs could have separate logons and with that you can each have your own homepage and your own favorites, history, desktop background, etc.

[Digerati]

It is also UNSAFE with the Protected mode display issue.

Actually IE9 continues to prove (over and over again) it is the most secure browser out there in terms of defending against socially engineered malware distribution methods - the most common - so security is no reason to dislike, or bash IE - not any more. This is NOT an discussion about which browser is better. It is about getting the facts straight.

The choice of browsers is all about the look and feel and that's it - of course assuming the computer is otherwise fully updated and secured and the user (the weakest link) does not partake in risky Internet behavior like illegal filesharing via torrents or P2P sites, or visits to illegal porn or gambling sites.

Regardless if you use IE9 as your default browser or not, in terms of "Practicing Safe Computing", keeping installed applications updated to the latest, and most secure version is necessary anyway. So XP users should be at IE8 and Vista/Win7 users should be at IE8.

they change things with every new version; that's the nature of Browsers I'm afraid.

With every new browsers, operating system, word processor, TV, coffee pots and car model too.

Humans like and are comfortable with the status quo. We don't like change. Time changes everything. Oh well.

[yodap]

Your attitude and tone confuse me.

You do seem like smart man so let me apologize if my tone and attitude came off more harsh than was my intent. Tone and attitude are very difficult to pinpoint correctly in a computer forum atmosphere in my experience.
However my advice stands to any first time poster that is complaining
about being infected by malware.

I assume your firewalls(hardware and software) are up to snuff.

I feel your pain with browsers. They all seem to be going down the dumb downed path. FF included.

I know people that have picked up nastie's on Ebay. I'm not saying that happened here but to keep an open mind.

("DC tasks"?)

"Distributed Computing" tasks. Hopefully doing some good for mankind here.

[Digerati]

However my advice stands to any first time poster that is complaining
about being infected by malware.

I don't see where you gave any advice, other than check your family's computing habits - good advice, but not sure the issue here.

As for running for years with FF without infection, that's great. But I contend it had nothing to do with FF and all about you being a disciplined user - keeping your computer updated, using a decent anti-malware solution and firewall, and being careful in your travels about the Internet, and scanning before opening attachments and downloads. The exact same things you need to do, regardless the browser of choice.

Note I never fell for all the hype when FF first hit the seen - that using IE6 was unsafe. That I would get infected if I did not switch. These fans totally ignored the fact that 100s of millions of IE6 users (with Windows running with default security settings) were running just fine - not infected, not unsafe.

I tried FF, was not particularly fond of the UI (wish they went back towards Netscape) and didn't switch. I never was infected either and as a consultant, I have computers constantly exposed to poorly secured networks and networked computers.

I must have asked a hundred times, "did you "STOP" getting infected "just" by switching to FF?" Of course no one said yes because they were already being careful. Those who were getting infected ALSO - not just, but also failed to keep Windows updated, failed to use or keep updated a good anti-malware solution, did not use firewall, and/or were what I call "click happy" opening links, attachments, and downloads without scanning first.

I recommend everyone sign up for the Department of Homeland Security's US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin Vulnerability Summaries. You will see over the last few years, by far, Chrome and FF have had MANY more new vulnerabilities reported. Not good. Not near as bad as some Adobe products, but not good either.

Bottom line, anyone who dismisses IE9 over security is simply not informed.

Note too in the CERT bulletins, you will also see more and more Mac and Linux vulnerabilities reported - a trend likely to continue as Microsoft continues to put security first, and as the alternative operating systems become more frequently targeted.