Video of new Windows 8, iPad edition

Hi All,

This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much
like the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)

Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles) interface
is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in store for
us all in the near future:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

-T

On 11/06/2011 02:33, Todd wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much
> like the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)
>
> Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles) interface
> is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in store for
> us all in the near future:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
>
> -T

Touch-screen interface belongs to iPad?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../explore/touch

Another thing; virtual keyboard? I was using that long before touch-screen.

What I'm wondering is whether MS will keep the mouse with Win8. And I
feel A1 convinced they will, because otherwise it would be a major
hardware upgrade with their new OS for the vast majority of current users.


Ed

On 06/11/11 07:22 am, Ed Cryer wrote:

>> This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much
>> like the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)
>>
>> Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles) interface
>> is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in store for
>> us all in the near future:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I

> Touch-screen interface belongs to iPad?
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../explore/touch
>
> Another thing; virtual keyboard? I was using that long before touch-screen.
>
> What I'm wondering is whether MS will keep the mouse with Win8. And I
> feel A1 convinced they will, because otherwise it would be a major
> hardware upgrade with their new OS for the vast majority of current users.

I don't see how they could dispense with the mouse until touch-screen
monitors become a lot more common. And even then I can't see doing any
kind of graphics work with a touch screen. Even if they add touch-screen
operation, they'd have to retain mouse operation as well.

As far as I could tell from the preview of the next version of Mac OS/X
(Lion, due next month, upgrade for $30), they are adding "gestures" that
can be performed on the touch pad but not eliminating the mouse.

Perce

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 06/11/11 07:22 am, Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>>> This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much like
>>> the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)
>>>
>>> Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles)
>>> interface is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in
>>> store for us all in the near future:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
>
>> Touch-screen interface belongs to iPad?
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../explore/touch
>>
>> Another thing; virtual keyboard? I was using that long before
>> touch-screen.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is whether MS will keep the mouse with Win8. And
>> I feel A1 convinced they will, because otherwise it would be a
>> major hardware upgrade with their new OS for the vast majority of
>> current users.
>
> I don't see how they could dispense with the mouse until touch-screen
> monitors become a lot more common. And even then I can't see doing
> any kind of graphics work with a touch screen. Even if they add
> touch-screen operation, they'd have to retain mouse operation as
> well.
>
> As far as I could tell from the preview of the next version of Mac
> OS/X (Lion, due next month, upgrade for $30), they are adding
> "gestures" that can be performed on the touch pad but not eliminating
> the mouse.

I really, really hope that touch screens remain optional forever. I
don't want my greasy paw prints on my monitor.
--
Crash

"The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do."
~ B. F. Skinner ~

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" <> wrote in message
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> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> On 06/11/11 07:22 am, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>
>>>> This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much like
>>>> the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)
>>>>
>>>> Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles)
>>>> interface is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in
>>>> store for us all in the near future:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
>>
>>> Touch-screen interface belongs to iPad?
>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../explore/touch
>>>
>>> Another thing; virtual keyboard? I was using that long before
>>> touch-screen.
>>>
>>> What I'm wondering is whether MS will keep the mouse with Win8. And
>>> I feel A1 convinced they will, because otherwise it would be a
>>> major hardware upgrade with their new OS for the vast majority of
>>> current users.
>>
>> I don't see how they could dispense with the mouse until touch-screen
>> monitors become a lot more common. And even then I can't see doing
>> any kind of graphics work with a touch screen. Even if they add
>> touch-screen operation, they'd have to retain mouse operation as
>> well.
>>
>> As far as I could tell from the preview of the next version of Mac
>> OS/X (Lion, due next month, upgrade for $30), they are adding
>> "gestures" that can be performed on the touch pad but not eliminating
>> the mouse.
>
> I really, really hope that touch screens remain optional forever. I
> don't want my greasy paw prints on my monitor.
> --
> Crash
>
> "The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do."
> ~ B. F. Skinner ~

I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As my dad
used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown shorter."
I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've never been able to
position myself just right to work on one for any length of time. And, as
Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do CAD work on one.
--
SC Tom

On 11/06/2011 15:46, SC Tom wrote:
>
> "Dave "Crash" Dummy" <> wrote in message
> news:isvrrk$6bs$...
>> Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>>> On 06/11/11 07:22 am, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This link is to a demo of Windows 8. It looks an awful much like
>>>>> the iPad. (I wonder if Apple will sue M$, again.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Without commenting on whether on not the new iPad (tiles)
>>>>> interface is a good thing or not, here is a video of what is in
>>>>> store for us all in the near future:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I
>>>
>>>> Touch-screen interface belongs to iPad?
>>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../explore/touch
>>>>
>>>> Another thing; virtual keyboard? I was using that long before
>>>> touch-screen.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm wondering is whether MS will keep the mouse with Win8. And
>>>> I feel A1 convinced they will, because otherwise it would be a
>>>> major hardware upgrade with their new OS for the vast majority of
>>>> current users.
>>>
>>> I don't see how they could dispense with the mouse until touch-screen
>>> monitors become a lot more common. And even then I can't see doing
>>> any kind of graphics work with a touch screen. Even if they add
>>> touch-screen operation, they'd have to retain mouse operation as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> As far as I could tell from the preview of the next version of Mac
>>> OS/X (Lion, due next month, upgrade for $30), they are adding
>>> "gestures" that can be performed on the touch pad but not eliminating
>>> the mouse.
>>
>> I really, really hope that touch screens remain optional forever. I
>> don't want my greasy paw prints on my monitor.
>> --
>> Crash
>>
>> "The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do."
>> ~ B. F. Skinner ~
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
> have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As my
> dad used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown
> shorter." I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've
> never been able to position myself just right to work on one for any
> length of time. And, as Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do
> CAD work on one.

They're ok for occasional things such as signing in at the surgery to
see your doctor, tourist maps in public squares etc.
I have an iPad too. It's fine to hold it either on your lap or in your
left hand, and then use your right forefinger.
But I'm like you with emails and browsing; mouse at an upright screen.

Ed

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:46:01 -0400, "SC Tom" <> wrote:

> I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
> have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As my dad
> used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown shorter."
> I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've never been able to
> position myself just right to work on one for any length of time. And, as
> Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do CAD work on one.


I have very little experience with touch screens, so I'm not at all
sure I'm right. But I *think* a touch screen would be a good idea on a
laptop or tablet, but not on a desktop.

On 06/11/2011 11:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:46:01 -0400, "SC Tom"<> wrote:
>
>> I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
>> have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As my dad
>> used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown shorter."
>> I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've never been able to
>> position myself just right to work on one for any length of time. And, as
>> Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do CAD work on one.
>
>
> I have very little experience with touch screens, so I'm not at all
> sure I'm right. But I *think* a touch screen would be a good idea on a
> laptop or tablet, but not on a desktop.

If one thinks about how tiles are used on the iPhone or iPad, the
screen is always placed on a table or on one's lap -- never with one's
arms stretched horizontal. The M$ developers working on this should
be asked stand up and reach their arms out in the air in front of them
and see how long they can maintain that position. The ergonomics
of tiles on a workstation with a stand up monitor are atrocious.

A far as M$ ripping off others ideas (tiles and the iPad/iPhone):
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I am not sure how
many of you have had a chance to look at KDE4's desktop (one of
many Linux GUI's), Windows 7 looks eerily similar. I would not be
surprised if Apple did not find a way to sue M$ over Windows 8.

-T

On 11/06/2011 23:10, Todd wrote:
> On 06/11/2011 11:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:46:01 -0400, "SC Tom"<> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
>>> have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As
>>> my dad
>>> used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown
>>> shorter."
>>> I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've never been
>>> able to
>>> position myself just right to work on one for any length of time.
>>> And, as
>>> Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do CAD work on one.
>>
>>
>> I have very little experience with touch screens, so I'm not at all
>> sure I'm right. But I *think* a touch screen would be a good idea on a
>> laptop or tablet, but not on a desktop.
>
> If one thinks about how tiles are used on the iPhone or iPad, the
> screen is always placed on a table or on one's lap -- never with one's
> arms stretched horizontal. The M$ developers working on this should
> be asked stand up and reach their arms out in the air in front of them
> and see how long they can maintain that position. The ergonomics
> of tiles on a workstation with a stand up monitor are atrocious.
>
> A far as M$ ripping off others ideas (tiles and the iPad/iPhone):
> imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I am not sure how
> many of you have had a chance to look at KDE4's desktop (one of
> many Linux GUI's), Windows 7 looks eerily similar. I would not be
> surprised if Apple did not find a way to sue M$ over Windows 8.
>
> -T

Touchscreen laptops and desktops? Are they joking? I sit about 30 inches
from my desktop monitor. My arms are only 24 inches long and I can't
extend them. May be next they will sell us expandable bionic arms with
vibrating fingers. The girls will love that but I am not sure about
computers and monitor screens!
-- choro --

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:10:22 -0700, Todd <> wrote:

> On 06/11/2011 11:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:46:01 -0400, "SC Tom"<> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree wholeheartedly, aside from the fact that my eyes are so bad, I'd
> >> have to get new glasses and put the monitor on my lap to use it. As my dad
> >> used to say, "My eyes haven't grown worse, my arms have just grown shorter."
> >> I find using a touchscreen to be very uncomfortable- I've never been able to
> >> position myself just right to work on one for any length of time. And, as
> >> Percival posted, I can't imaging trying to do CAD work on one.
> >
> >
> > I have very little experience with touch screens, so I'm not at all
> > sure I'm right. But I *think* a touch screen would be a good idea on a
> > laptop or tablet, but not on a desktop.
>
> If one thinks about how tiles are used on the iPhone or iPad, the
> screen is always placed on a table or on one's lap -- never with one's
> arms stretched horizontal.


Yes, my point exactly--sorry if I didn't make that clear. That's why I
*think* that what I said was right.